So what is the latest news on the OU and Texas to SEC situation?

Goldbug said:
All I know for damn sure is by joining the SEC Oklahoma has been presented with a great opportunity to enhance what it has already accomplished over the years in previous conferences including the Big 8 and the Big 12. Our athletic facilities are very good and getting better. More sports than ever before are pulling their weight. But, OU has to win in the SEC to make this pay off in the long run. If we can work our way to the top tier of the SEC with hard work, brains and some sheer luck the OU legend will more than take care of itself. The money is nice but if we were to fall into a position similar to Nebraska where we are no longer a football power but we still got paid a lot to get beat by the rest of the conference, it will be a failure. We have to win. OU fans are not delusional. It may not be easy or fast but we do believe we can do it. All the $$$ in the world doesn't mean much if we aren't winning championships wherever we are.
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At least there are plenty of Nebraska fans here to help you through the pain.
 
Red_Alert said:
No it wasn't.

Go glurp some bevo choad.
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"Derp derp SEC is dumb for adding Texas because viewers can't watch them and A&M at the say time."

Go shove a corn cob up your tailpipe you retarded hucklefuck.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
"Derp derp SEC is dumb for adding Texas because viewers can't watch them and A&M at the say time."

Go shove a corn cob up your tailpipe you retarded hucklefuck.
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Well I never said that.

I simply said tejas will bring majority Texas eyeballs, of which the SEC Network already has in A&M.

I also stated that the SEC will raise tejas viewership numbers, but not the other way around, like Oklahoma and the SEC mutually raising each others viewership numbers.

Gargle that bevo choad now.

"Teams can easily tell the networks that they will use a neutral site and put up the game for bid." - michaeljordan_fan

LMFAO!!!
 
Red_Alert said:
Fair enough. That's why we have these discussions.

You can say those things about pretty much anybody other than Ohio St and a few SEC teams.

LSU was (5-5) in 2020 and (6-7) in 2021.
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pretty sure you could do it for anyone. just some will look worse than others.
ohio state 2011 6-7
Alabama 2007 7-6
UGA 2010 6-7
 
Just remember when debating MJF, he actually said this...

"Teams can easily tell the networks that they will use a neutral site and put up the game for bid." - michaeljordan_fan
 
Goldbug said:
All I know for damn sure is by joining the SEC Oklahoma has been presented with a great opportunity to enhance what it has already accomplished over the years in previous conferences including the Big 8 and the Big 12. Our athletic facilities are very good and getting better. More sports than ever before are pulling their weight. But, OU has to win in the SEC to make this pay off in the long run. If we can work our way to the top tier of the SEC with hard work, brains and some sheer luck the OU legend will more than take care of itself. The money is nice but if we were to fall into a position similar to Nebraska where we are no longer a football power but we still got paid a lot to get beat by the rest of the conference, it will be a failure. We have to win. OU fans are not delusional. It may not be easy or fast but we do believe we can do it. All the $$$ in the world doesn't mean much if we aren't winning championships wherever we are.
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I think Nebraska's struggles are still an aberration.

Many great programs grow through struggles as well. Oklahoma had a lot of difficulty until Bob Stoops came in as a coach. Nebraska just needs their Bob Stoops.

When I first started watching Football (around late 1990s timeframe, I think 1999 was the first true season that I watched and started to understand everything), teams like LSU and Clemson were after thoughts. I remember the SEC was Florida, Tennessee, and sometimes Alabama (Alabama was that team with talent that could potential be good but had bad coaches, kind of like Tennessee now although Alabama at least had some good seasons, 1999 for example).

I will take LSU as a great example. LSU was generally a mediocre SEC West program. Teams took players out of Louisiana left and right. LSU hadn't won a National Title since the 1950s. They were NOT a program that competed for National Titles. In between the 1999-2000 season, they hired a decent coach from Michigan State called Nick Saban. He started closing the border and recruiting the to players to Louisiana. In 2001, LSU upset #2 Tennessee (which, in my opinion was the start of Tennessee's downfall) in the SEC Championship game and beat Maryland to finish in the top ten. They were still down around # 8 though. 2003, LSU came out of no where to win the National Title and ever since then, they have been seen as a power.

LSU was a strong program but throughout the 1980s and 1990s, they were nothing.

Everything is cycle. I pointed out earlier in this thread the ACC and how they were being discussed in the early 2000s as the Best League with their expansion. However, in 2022 (twenty years later), they are universally considered the weakest of the Power 5 leagues and have had several teams poached from their league. Heck, in 2000, the Big12 was on top as the best league with Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, and Colorado all production top 10 teams and Texas A&M being a top 25 program.

I don't see Nebraska (with its history and fanbase) as being down forever. Could OU have a Nebraska-like slump? Possibly. However, Oklahoma will have great days in the SEC as well and will have National Title contending teams like they have had in the past. Get the right coach, players, and process; you will find yourself back on top.

Oklahoma is a top 5 all-time program, that is not going away.
 
So all these threads got me thinking the SEC doesn't really offer anything outside of football. OU and Texas will help change that.

Softball natty will go to OU(sorry texas)
Womens tennis natty went to texas(they beat OU)
Womens gymnastics natty went to OU(Sooner men finished national runner up)
Mens basketball natty went to Big 12(Kansas)
Mens golf natty went to Texas(OU was the favorite)

OU and Texas are in super regionals in baseball. Maybe Tenn. gets a natty there for SEC?
 
Another HUGE reason the OU and Texas move will pay out for the programs is that it eliminates regional competition.

Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU are now relegated to a "B" league with football players. They will be seen as the second option. Until now, you could make these programs had the card to play of being in the same league and level of competition as Oklahoma and Texas. That is now gone.

There are now only two true in-state top tier Texas Schools (Texas and Texas A&M). No more sharing recruits with Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, etc. They are now in a lower tier.
 
Wishbone said:
So all these threads got me thinking the SEC doesn't really offer anything outside of football. OU and Texas will help change that.

Softball natty will go to OU(sorry texas)
Womens tennis natty went to texas(they beat OU)
Womens gymnastics natty went to OU(Sooner men finished national runner up)
Mens basketball natty went to Big 12(Kansas)
Mens golf natty went to Texas(OU was the favorite)

OU and Texas are in super regionals in baseball. Maybe Tenn. gets a natty there for SEC?
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SEC is historically the strongest league in Baseball and Women's Basketball. You clearly haven't paid attention to those sports. In fact, I think the SEC has the last 4 titles in Baseball. Miss State beat Vandy last year in the title game for Baseball. South Carolina won the National Title in Women's Basketball.

Men's Basketball we are lower tier but OU and Texas won't help that much (you don't hurt). OU and Texas are pretty much same level as Auburn or Tennessee right now in Basketball. We really need someone at the level of a Kentucky (Kansas would be nice or UNC).

Oklahoma will help in Softball, definitely, but the SEC has been strong in Softball lately. This year the SEC wasn't that strong but in the past several years SEC teams have won it or been in the Title game.

Not sure about the other sports since they are rarely on TV but I think Georgia has one of the strongest women's gymnastic program historically, Arkansas is strong in track, Tennessee was strong in swimming.
 
Goldbug said:
All I know for damn sure is by joining the SEC Oklahoma has been presented with a great opportunity to enhance what it has already accomplished over the years in previous conferences including the Big 8 and the Big 12. Our athletic facilities are very good and getting better. More sports than ever before are pulling their weight. But, OU has to win in the SEC to make this pay off in the long run. If we can work our way to the top tier of the SEC with hard work, brains and some sheer luck the OU legend will more than take care of itself. The money is nice but if we were to fall into a position similar to Nebraska where we are no longer a football power but we still got paid a lot to get beat by the rest of the conference, it will be a failure. We have to win. OU fans are not delusional. It may not be easy or fast but we do believe we can do it. All the $$$ in the world doesn't mean much if we aren't winning championships wherever we are.
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To me, you shouldn't be concerned about falling to Nebraska levels. That has to do with a ton of things that OU doesn't have to worry about, primarily the ability to recruit. Nebraska's problems preceded moving to the B1G.

I would expect that OU will be in the top Tier with UGA, UF, and LSU - Bama is in the top Tier+, for now. Those three teams have won NCs in the last 2 decades, and I would expect that your tradition will allow you to compete at that level.

What you won't be able to do is dominate at the level you are used to in the B12. Bama is the only team to ever do that in the SEC. Even UTjr and UF when they were hot only won an NC here and there, 2 at a time at best for UF. What Bama is doing is all-time crazy for CFB. But the SEC has had 6 different teams win NC in the last 25 years - UGA, Bama, LSU, Auburn, UF, UTjr. OU and UT have also done that in the same time period.

So long as you don't expect to dominate like you did in the B12, you will do fine. And you will get to watch a ton of good football.
 
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