SEC or the B1G ... who you got?

[NU_WTF?]

And I will not be shamed for my cheese intake
I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I will not remain silent
I will not give in
I will die before I let Big Parma win

 

[outofyourmind]

And I will not be shamed for my cheese intake
I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I will not remain silent
I will not give in
I will die before I let Big Parma win

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[Kburjr]

Where is the ACT ratings?

 

[Cowboyinexile]

If ND for B1G, B1G for sure. Otherwise, even. Markets are way less important and diminishing. Eyeballs is about even. CFP to the SEC. That’s about even for the 3 things that matter.

ND to the Big 10 seems logical. They have to join a conference at some point. Part of me thinks it's possible they do the big dog thing and get Clemson and Florida State agree to a conference with the good pieces of the ACC, Big 12 and Pac 10 where they are the big dogs but that's a pipe dream. This year or 10 years down the road we know how this plays out.

 

[NU_WTF?]

Where is the ACT ratings?

They aren't there to play schoolin

 

[Cowboyinexile]

And I will not be shamed for my cheese intake
I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I will not remain silent
I will not give in
I will die before I let Big Parma win

 

[NU_WTF?]

I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I'm embarrassed
I'm embarrassed
So the next time you get pasta
And the waiter comes around with the parmesan cheese
And he says, Parmesan?
And you say, Please
Don't let him leave until your plate overflows

 

[Kburjr]

They aren't there to play schoolin

Some of them couldn't even get into school. Ask Gary Anderson.

 

[Cowboyinexile]

I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I'm embarrassed
I'm embarrassed
So the next time you get pasta
And the waiter comes around with the parmesan cheese
And he says, Parmesan?
And you say, Please
Don't let him leave until your plate overflows

 

[OregonDucks]

Absolutely reported

 

[Deep Creek]

The B1G and SEC are basically the same. For the purpose of this discussion take money out of it. B1G has location and natural rivalries - UM, MSU, and So Cal. Then tOSU and UCLA. Their path to the playoffs is easier in the B1G. If they join a conference, it's the B1G.

Money is all that matters.

 

[BigRedMoe]

And I will not be shamed for my cheese intake
I always want more parmesan but I'm embarrassed
I will not remain silent
I will not give in
I will die before I let Big Parma win

You watch a lot of America's Got Talent?

 

[Gatorchip]

I'm a generous mood and just posted part of an ESPN+ article. I will do so again to show a 25 year comparison of the new SEC v. the new B1G. Suck it B1G!

* SP+ is presented in terms of adjusted points per play. A rating of 29.6 means that on average, Ohio State has been 29.6 points above the perfectly average FBS team over the previous five seasons.

The short answer: The Big Ten is obviously better than everyone else (meaning other than the SEC), but the SEC is still superior on average. With Oklahoma and Texas, the SEC's average SP+ rating last year would have been 11.7; with USC and UCLA, the Big Ten's average would have been 8.9.

If we think broader and more historically, the SEC still has an edge.

Using 25-year averages for each program -- an incredibly broad look at program health and consistency of power -- here's how a Big Ten-SEC challenge would take shape if we set up games between the conferences' best programs, second-best programs and so on.

Best: No. 1 Ohio State (23.7 average) vs. No. 2 Alabama (23.0)

Second-best: No. 3 Oklahoma (21.9) vs. No. 7 USC (18.9)

Third-best: No. 4 Georgia (20.8) vs. No. 11 Michigan (16.6)

Fourth-best: No. 5 Florida (19.6) vs. No. 15 Wisconsin (15.5)

Fifth-best: No. 6 LSU (19.4) vs. No. 16 Penn State (15.2)

Sixth-best: No. 9 Texas (17.0) vs. No. 18 Nebraska (14.6)

Seventh-best: No. 17 Auburn (15.2) vs. No. 25 Iowa (11.3)

Eighth-best: No. 19 Tennessee (13.8) vs. No. 30 Michigan State (9.8)

Ninth-best: No. 20 Texas A&M (13.4) vs. No. 34 UCLA (8.4)

10th-best: No. 29 Arkansas (10.3) vs. No. 49 Purdue (4.7)

11th-best: No. 33 Missouri (8.7) vs. No. 51 Minnesota (4.5)

12th-best: No. 37 Ole Miss (7.6) vs. No. 56 Maryland (2.0)

13th-best: No. 38 South Carolina (7.6) vs. No. 68 Northwestern (-0.5)

14th-best: No. 50 Mississippi State (4.6) vs. No. 75 Illinois (-2.1)

15th-best: No. 62 Kentucky (0.9) vs. No. 79 Indiana (-3.9)

16th-best: No. 86 Vanderbilt (-5.3) vs. No. 97 Rutgers (-7.5)

The SEC still holds at least a slight advantage in 15 of those 16 matchups and averages a 12.4 rating to the Big Ten's 8.2. That's certainly noteworthy.

Even more noteworthy, however: These conferences now house nine of the 11 best programs of the past 25 years. And 15 of the top 20! And 22 of the top 40! Both conferences could add more programs in the future, but they've already acquired nearly every long-term power the sport has produced.

If we set up games, I prefer Florida vs Ohio State. It’s better for the SEC this way since the Gators always beat the Buckeyes.

 

[Huskers4me]

I wouldn't be surprised if something like a B1G-SEC Challenge doesn't come out of this in the long-term honestly.

Kevin Warren cut his teeth as an SEC AD. You cannot tell me that he is not having conversations with Greg Sankey. I have almost wonder if the real Alliance right now is between the B1G and SEC.

He also went to school at Notre Dame as did Gene Smith OSU AD. You are right though, when it comes to getting the most revenue possible it will how these two conferences maneuver going forward. Perhaps the pie pieces have been divided already in principle, but surprises happen.

 

[Huskers4me]

They aren't there to play schoolin

Agreed, how many folks show up to watch these athletes take math tests?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Money is all that matters.

My point was that absent ND to the B1G, the money is even. So, take the money out of it and compare the non-money aspect to see which is best.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

ND to the Big 10 seems logical. They have to join a conference at some point. Part of me thinks it's possible they do the big dog thing and get Clemson and Florida State agree to a conference with the good pieces of the ACC, Big 12 and Pac 10 where they are the big dogs but that's a pipe dream. This year or 10 years down the road we know how this plays out.

To follow through on this post, it would seem that ND, UVa, and Duke to the B1G, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and UNC to SEC would be at least equal to ND. My guess is that by money, the two will be fairly even. I don't see a move that either could reasonably make that would push one too far ahead of the other. Beyond ND, there really aren't a lot of teams that move the needle very much.

 

[NU_WTF?]

You watch a lot of America's Got Talent?

Lol my wife put on this season (is it still going?) Auditions which is about all I can stand before it becomes a gay ass singing and dancing competition. I love auditions cuz they crack me up

 

[BigRedMoe]

Lol my wife put on this season (is it still going?) Auditions which is about all I can stand before it becomes a gay ass singing and dancing competition. I love auditions cuz they crack me up

Same. I thought that dewd was hilarious.

 

[Deep Creek]

My point was that absent ND to the B1G, the money is even. So, take the money out of it and compare the non-money aspect to see which is best.

I know what you are saying… but football (athletic) quality doesn’t matter. It is a money competition now.

Like Jerry Jones’ Cowgirls. Even though they can’t win a Superbowl, they are still the winner because they make the most profitable and have the highest franchise value.