B1G's Commish Warren ...

[WhosYourDawggy]

swinging his big dick this week, doing nothing but adding uncertainty to an already uncertain situation. Whereas Sankey was measured and conservative, I guess Warren feels he needs to throw fuel on the fire. I find his posturing really odd. He already shived the PAC, and now he is kneecapping them. How can they negotiate a TV deal when the B1G is now on record as saying, "yeah, we might dip in the pool and scoop out a few more of your teams ... just not now."

All that said, this is a good article on the financial practicality of this happening. Finally some sane people questioning whether there is actual value to do this and whether the other B1G teams are willing to take less just to bring some teams in.

Big Ten evaluating Cal, Oregon, Stanford and Washington from Pac-12 as further expansion considered

www.cbssports.com

 

[Huskers4me]

Perhaps both are considering expansion but one is lying?

 

[NU_WTF?]

Op is retarded

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Perhaps both are considering expansion but one is lying?

I agree, and don't get me wrong ... Sankey is all business and if it was something that would help the SEC, he would do it. I just find this an odd way for a commissioner to act. They are typically more deliberate in the things they say. You will note he gets some criticism in the article about saying things that perhaps were better off not said. If, for example, they don't do anything more he has unnecessarily made a lot of things more complicated and complex.

Some really good quotes in that article about the finances of expansion and why it may not make sense to continue with other teams:

While not confirming expansion activities with those specific schools, Warren told CBS Sports the addition of any teams beyond USC and UCLA (joining in 2024) would come after the current media rights deal is finalized in August.

"We're not 'targeting,'" said Warren when CBS Sports directly inquired about the candidacy of those four programs. "Like I said, my focus is on taking care of our 14 institutions."

Talk about introducing uncertainty.

However, it's uncertain whether any of the Big Ten's future rightsholders would find value in such a move.

Financially, those four programs are not worth near the money now expected to be distributed to Big Ten schools with USC and UCLA in the fold ($80 million to $100 million annually). Competitively, though, it would be a lifeline for the Pac-12's next-best football brands.

Yeah, where's the money coming from?

It would also give pause to a collegiate enterprise trying to figure out its future these days. Warren used some form of the word "bold" eight times on Tuesday. "Aggressive" was used three times in his address. Unlike SEC commissioner Greg Sankey last week, Warren lobbed a veiled warning: The Big Ten may not be done.

"From an expansion standpoint, the answer is … we're not in the market, but we're always looking for what makes sense," Warren told CBS Sports.

It's like he's purposefully trying to make things uncertain ... the opposite of The Alliance, LOL.

Industry sources tell CBS Sports that Cal, Oregon, Stanford and Washington would not bring requisite value as the 16 teams that will make up the league in 2024 with USC and UCLA in the fold. That could lead to the four programs taking substantially less revenue than existing members just to have long-term security in the Big Ten.

The revenue cut taken by Cal, Oregon, Stanford and Washington in joining the Big Ten -- compared to other conference members -- would need to be "significant," industry sources say. That would present a headache to rightsholders trying to restructure a deal already in place.

The inclusion of those four programs would trigger "dilution," an industry term referring to the proportion of attractive games being lessened by the addition of substandard inventory.

Yeah, because having teams getting different amounts works so well for conferences.

College athletics sources reached out to CBS Sports concerned with the tenor of Warren's address Wednesday. They believed, even if Warren was going to be aggressive in further expansion, keeping it to himself instead of sending ripples of worry through college athletics might have been a sounder move.

No kidding ... I am sure everyone is elated with this. I for one hope they expand. I can't imagine it is a good thing for them in the long run. Sankey continually shows he is the best.

 

[NinerSpartan]

Warren has a micro peen

 

[Wild Turkey]

Warren is posturing trying to make the league as attractive as possible to ND to influence their decision making. Potentially grabbing all their big rivals except for Navy is an attempt to push them.

It would be a massive mistake to bring in schools under a lower payout schedule and would create a have and have not issue through the league. You think Oregon and Washington are going to be happy making less than Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois and Indiana?

He is pushing this narrative because in reality he needs ND to potentially commit before he inks his next deal.

If he can’t ink ND they aren’t expanding.

Sankey is in a different position in that he would take ND but he ain’t chasing them and it’s not really a match. He is sitting back to see if the GOR in the ACC gets challenged and if not he is happy.

Truth is the B1G has created logistic problems for itself in order to try and keep up with the SEC. You don’t say no to USC but he made his job a lot harder.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Warren is posturing trying to make the league as attractive as possible to ND to influence their decision making. Potentially grabbing all their big rivals except for Navy is an attempt to push them.

It would be a massive mistake to bring in schools under a lower payout schedule and would create a have and have not issue through the league. You think Oregon and Washington are going to be happy making less than Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois and Indiana?

He is pushing this narrative because in reality he needs ND to potentially commit before he inks his next deal.

If he can’t ink ND they aren’t expanding.

Sankey is in a different position in that he would take ND but he ain’t chasing them and it’s not really a match. He is sitting back to see if the GOR in the ACC gets challenged and if not he is happy.

Truth is the B1G has created logistic problems for itself in order to try and keep up with the SEC. You don’t say no to USC but he made his job a lot harder.

This is one time where status quo is fine. We will make the most money, and we will have more best teams. Just adding to add isn't something the SEC is interested in, I hope.

 

[Wild Turkey]

This is one time where status quo is fine. We will make the most money, and we will have more best teams. Just adding to add isn't something the SEC is interested in, I hope.

No it’s going to take UNC to move the SEC needle (I’m assuming ND is off the table of reality) as that is what they want. At that point they bring at least Virginia to grab the two biggest markets and they will have the option of Clemson, FSU or anyone else or not.

Does UNC warrant expansion? It’s debatable but my understanding is the SEC office wants the NC and Virginia markets to close out the Southeast.

If you think about it UNC and Virginia in the SEC without competition in their states could improve their recruiting stake substantially. That’s the thing these next moves will potentially separate up to 40 schools from the rest of the country and make recruiting much easier on a national basis. Even the Mississippi States and Minnesotas of the world will have an upper hand on schools outside the P2 at that point.

The next moves should be viewed not necessarily as King makers but definitely royal family makers.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

No it’s going to take UNC to move the SEC needle (I’m assuming ND is off the table of reality) as that is what they want. At that point they bring at least Virginia to grab the two biggest markets and they will have the option of Clemson, FSU or anyone else or not.

Does UNC warrant expansion? It’s debatable but my understanding is the SEC office wants the NC and Virginia markets to close out the Southeast.

If you think about it UNC and Virginia in the SEC without competition in their states could improve their recruiting stake substantially. That’s the thing these next moves will potentially separate up to 40 schools from the rest of the country and make recruiting much easier on a national basis. Even the Mississippi States and Minnesotas of the world will have an upper hand on schools outside the P2 at that point.

The next moves should be viewed not necessarily as King makers but definitely royal family makers.

Neither UNC nor UVa offer anything in the way of CFP money. None. That's a huge rail of CFB economics. You are talking market share which is the smallest rail. UNC, yes, but barely. UVa, nah.

10 years from now we will see.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Neither UNC nor UVa offer anything in the way of CFP money. None. That's a huge rail of CFB economics. You are talking market share which is the smallest rail. UNC, yes, but barely. UVa, nah.

10 years from now we will see.

I hear you but the noise has always been they want a Virginia presence. I’ve heard that enough that I can’t dismiss it.

I agree on paper right now Clemson and FSU are the two football powers that make the most sense. However I’ve always heard it was UNC and Virginia they wanted.

If you look at it as a group of:

UNC
Virginia
Clemson
FSU

That’s pretty damn strong and wraps up the Southeast. The conference owns Florida, the Carolinas and Georgia which is super rich recruiting ground for the entire league.

Even if the B1G were to take Miami or another NC school it wouldn’t debt the SEC domination.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

swinging his big dick this week, doing nothing but adding uncertainty to an already uncertain situation. Whereas Sankey was measured and conservative, I guess Warren feels he needs to throw fuel on the fire. I find his posturing really odd. He already shived the PAC, and now he is kneecapping them. How can they negotiate a TV deal when the B1G is now on record as saying, "yeah, we might dip in the pool and scoop out a few more of your teams ... just not now."

All that said, this is a good article on the financial practicality of this happening. Finally some sane people questioning whether there is actual value to do this and whether the other B1G teams are willing to take less just to bring some teams in.

Big Ten evaluating Cal, Oregon, Stanford and Washington from Pac-12 as further expansion considered

www.cbssports.com

I don't see what the issue is? If they were planning to add Stanford or Oregon (or whoever else) -- they'd need to do so before a television deal is in place, because you can almost assure they'd have some sort of GOR put in place. The SEC isn't looking to expand out west, so it seems like common sense, they wouldn't say anything about the PAC and the B1G, who is interested in a few would say as such.

I don't get why people are putting so much into this.

 

[Deep Creek]

Warren is posturing trying to make the league as attractive as possible to ND to influence their decision making. Potentially grabbing all their big rivals except for Navy is an attempt to push them.

It would be a massive mistake to bring in schools under a lower payout schedule and would create a have and have not issue through the league. You think Oregon and Washington are going to be happy making less than Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois and Indiana?

He is pushing this narrative because in reality he needs ND to potentially commit before he inks his next deal.

If he can’t ink ND they aren’t expanding.

Sankey is in a different position in that he would take ND but he ain’t chasing them and it’s not really a match. He is sitting back to see if the GOR in the ACC gets challenged and if not he is happy.

Truth is the B1G has created logistic problems for itself in order to try and keep up with the SEC. You don’t say no to USC but he made his job a lot harder.

They wouldn't be happy. If all B1G teams are getting $100 million/year and they agree to a reduced amount of $75 million/year, that might make them less unhappy if they were only going to receive $50 million/year if they stayed in the PAC. Isn't the $50 million/year range what the ACC, PAC and Big 12 are projected to get?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I don't see what the issue is? If they were planning to add Stanford or Oregon (or whoever else) -- they'd need to do so before a television deal is in place, because you can almost assure they'd have some sort of GOR put in place. The SEC isn't looking to expand out west, so it seems like common sense, they wouldn't say anything about the PAC and the B1G, who is interested in a few would say as such.

I don't get why people are putting so much into this.

The article specifically says that they won't add anyone until AFTER the TV deal is done.

The reason people are saying he should keep his mouth shut is that unless he actually intends on taking the 4 teams, he has added uncertainty to a very uncertain time. Now, he has every right to do that. It's bidness, after all. But people are pointing out that he's being very disruptive. The PAC can't get a TV deal done, or even serious negotiations if everyone thinks that 4 of the PAC schools are going to the B1G effectively ending the PAC.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I hear you but the noise has always been they want a Virginia presence. I’ve heard that enough that I can’t dismiss it.

I agree on paper right now Clemson and FSU are the two football powers that make the most sense. However I’ve always heard it was UNC and Virginia they wanted.

If you look at it as a group of:

UNC
Virginia
Clemson
FSU

That’s pretty damn strong and wraps up the Southeast. The conference owns Florida, the Carolinas and Georgia which is super rich recruiting ground for the entire league.

Even if the B1G were to take Miami or another NC school it wouldn’t debt the SEC domination.

The question is who have you heard it from. A lot of idiots saying stupid things without any understanding of the CFB economics.

If I look at that list, it's easy to say, "which one does not belong here" and the answer is obviously UVa.

 

[NU_WTF?]

How many expansion threads do we need? Op is a retarded homo

 

[Wild Turkey]

The question is who have you heard it from. A lot of idiots saying stupid things without any understanding of the CFB economics.

If I look at that list, it's easy to say, "which one does not belong here" and the answer is obviously UVa.

A lot of mumbling about here in Birmingham when the topic comes up. The guys that work at the SEC are pretty tight lipped but in the past I have heard Slive talking on the radio in general terms about the value of the NC and Virginia markets. Sankey doesn’t volunteer anything.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

A lot of mumbling about here in Birmingham when the topic comes up. The guys that work at the SEC are pretty tight lipped but in the past I have heard Slive talking on the radio in general terms about the value of the NC and Virginia markets. Sankey doesn’t volunteer anything.

Stop thinking market ... think viewers and CFP. That's something that UVa has neither of. That's where the money is now and in the future. Yes, markets matter to a certain degree now, but the B1G took LA because USC is in it. They didn't take USC only because they are in LA.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

The article specifically says that they won't add anyone until AFTER the TV deal is done.

The reason people are saying he should keep his mouth shut is that unless he actually intends on taking the 4 teams, he has added uncertainty to a very uncertain time. Now, he has every right to do that. It's bidness, after all. But people are pointing out that he's being very disruptive. The PAC can't get a TV deal done, or even serious negotiations if everyone thinks that 4 of the PAC schools are going to the B1G effectively ending the PAC.

Obviously, the PAC wants to get a TV deal done immediately. By doing so -- it'd all but assure no further expansion with teams from PAC, as it'd seem like they'd have a GOR deal included.

So I have no issue with Warren's statement, especially if adding more than just USC and UCLA is their end goal.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Stop thinking market ... think viewers and CFP. That's something that UVa has neither of. That's where the money is now and in the future. Yes, markets matter to a certain degree now, but the B1G took LA because USC is in it. They didn't take USC only because they are in LA.

I agree with you streaming has changed everything but I still think the state of Virginia is on the board. It’s a massive state that potentially wouldn’t have any representation in the P2.

I wouldn’t be shocked and if they add 4 one most likely will be from the state of Virginia.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I agree with you streaming has changed everything but I still think the state of Virginia is on the board. It’s a massive state that potentially wouldn’t have any representation in the P2.

I wouldn’t be shocked and if they add 4 one most likely will be from the state of Virginia.

In other words, yeah streaming has made market far less important, but let's ignore that and take Virginia because of, checks notes, market. You can't agree that streaming has changed everything and then say, "but they still want the state of Virginia." They will only take teams that (1) have large viewership, and (2) can get into an expanded CFP often. No Virginia school can do either of those. At least not now. Perhaps it will be different in 2034-ish.