Stetson Worthington Bennet IV to the Rams in the 4th

fordman84 said:
How you got the pick isn't the conversation. Even if it is a "free" pick, there are still much better players at positions of need than a guy no one thinks is anything more than a career backup. You can sign a dozen guys off the street right now that are more ready than Stetson and then used the 4th rounder to get a guy who addresses a position of need.
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But it absolutely is when you look at the body of work for the draft. Rams got a lot of good talent as a whole.

Trading down, still getting your guy on defense and then adding Stetson was a great move
 
fordman84 said:
How you got the pick isn't the conversation. Even if it is a "free" pick, there are still much better players at positions of need than a guy no one thinks is anything more than a career backup. You can sign a dozen guys off the street right now that are more ready than Stetson and then used the 4th rounder to get a guy who addresses a position of need.
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Perhaps they think he can be more than a career backup? I mean people spent over $30 million to draft AR-15 who has basically been mediocre all his life.
 
@fordman84 Maybe we missed a good guy in the 4th but found a gem in the 6th at the same position?

Rams have done good in rounds 4-7.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Perhaps they think he can be more than a career backup? I mean people spent over $30 million to draft AR-15 who has basically been mediocre all his life.
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Come on now. The way you are talking makes it sound like you've never watched a NFL game. AR-15 was drafted because he is bigger than most LB's, can run like a WR and has a cannon. Those are all things you can't teach.

I like Bennett, but he has average arm strength, which is just fine in college, but will kill you in the NFL. You have to throw guys open in the NFL and fit balls into extremely tight windows, which isn't something that you have to do much at all in college. He is also undersized and is already older than many starting QB's in the NFL.

My Lions spent the #1 pick in the draft on a Georgia QB who only completed 57% of his passes and threw 33 interceptions in college. They drafted him because of his size and his cannon arm.

The ceiling for AR-15 is ASTRONOMICALLY higher for the NFL than Bennett's ceiling. That's why AR-15 was drafted where he was.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Come on now. The way you are talking makes it sound like you've never watched a NFL game. AR-15 was drafted because he is bigger than most LB's, can run like a WR and has a cannon. Those are all things you can't teach.

I like Bennett, but he has average arm strength, which is just fine in college, but will kill you in the NFL. You have to throw guys open in the NFL and fit balls into extremely tight windows, which isn't something that you have to do much at all in college. He is also undersized and is already older than many starting QB's in the NFL.

My Lions spent the #1 pick in the draft on a Georgia QB who only completed 57% of his passes and threw 33 interceptions in college. They drafted him because of his size and his cannon arm.

The ceiling for AR-15 is ASTRONOMICALLY higher for the NFL than Bennett's ceiling. That's why AR-15 was drafted where he was.
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The ceiling for AR-15 is Ryan Mallett. Which is still higher than Bennett’s, but AR-15 is somehow still the worst pick of the 2023 draft when another team drafted a running back at 8 when they already had a RB coming off a 1000 yard, 5 ypc rookie season and about a million other holes on the roster
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Come on now. The way you are talking makes it sound like you've never watched a NFL game. AR-15 was drafted because he is bigger than most LB's, can run like a WR and has a cannon. Those are all things you can't teach.

I like Bennett, but he has average arm strength, which is just fine in college, but will kill you in the NFL. You have to throw guys open in the NFL and fit balls into extremely tight windows, which isn't something that you have to do much at all in college. He is also undersized and is already older than many starting QB's in the NFL.

My Lions spent the #1 pick in the draft on a Georgia QB who only completed 57% of his passes and threw 33 interceptions in college. They drafted him because of his size and his cannon arm.

The ceiling for AR-15 is ASTRONOMICALLY higher for the NFL than Bennett's ceiling. That's why AR-15 was drafted where he was.
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I don't watch much NFL ... it's boring to me.

- Richardson's attributes are great for a RB. He sucks as a QB. And, no, you can't suddenly teach him fundamentals at his age. I read an article about Tebow and how he was spending time with his QB coach and was going to get better with his fundamentals. The experts said, nah, the minute you are under fire you revert to what you've done all your life. So, AR-15 for 30 million is as big a reach as one of the more successful college QBs in SBIV in the 3rd round.

- Bennett doesn't have average arm strength. He's not elite, but he's not average. At the combine, he threw the ball with the same velocity as Will Levis - 59mph. I think that was the top at the combine. Size you are correct. Age was used against him in the draft - you want a younger guy who will be around longer. Now that he is drafted, the age works in his favor not against him. He is older and more mature, arguably. As for throwing into tight spots, he has the arms strength, see above, and he threw into tight spots in college all the time.

- You can't possibly be comparing Stafford and AR-15. Stafford was the no. 1 pick and no question future NFL star, his college stats notwithstanding. He threw 13 INTs a freshman, and in his 3rd year he had a completion rate of 61.4%. His stats progressed each year as you would want. AR-15 is not Stafford. They drafted him because he was an obvious NFL All Pro, while AR-15 is pure project.

- We agree that AR-15 has a higher ceiling, but he has a lower floor. He is going to be a total bust in the NFL, IMO.

I've been clear here in the thread ... SBIV is someone who has been doubted his entire life, mostly because he is 5'11 and not 6'2 or taller. All he has done is succeed at the highest levels. Maybe he doesn't make it at the NFL. Maybe that's where the talent gets to the point where he can't overcome his size limits. But as I pointed out here, I wouldn't bet against him, and at least one pro team, who you would presume knows a bit about QBs agrees with me.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't watch much NFL ... it's boring to me.

- Richardson's attributes are great for a RB. He sucks as a QB. And, no, you can't suddenly teach him fundamentals at his age. I read an article about Tebow and how he was spending time with his QB coach and was going to get better with his fundamentals. The experts said, nah, the minute you are under fire you revert to what you've done all your life. So, AR-15 for 30 million is as big a reach as one of the more successful college QBs in SBIV in the 3rd round.

- Bennett doesn't have average arm strength. He's not elite, but he's not average. At the combine, he threw the ball with the same velocity as Will Levis - 59mph. I think that was the top at the combine. Size you are correct. Age was used against him in the draft - you want a younger guy who will be around longer. Now that he is drafted, the age works in his favor not against him. He is older and more mature, arguably. As for throwing into tight spots, he has the arms strength, see above, and he threw into tight spots in college all the time.

- You can't possibly be comparing Stafford and AR-15. Stafford was the no. 1 pick and no question future NFL star, his college stats notwithstanding. He threw 13 INTs a freshman, and in his 3rd year he had a completion rate of 61.4%. His stats progressed each year as you would want. AR-15 is not Stafford. They drafted him because he was an obvious NFL All Pro, while AR-15 is pure project.

- We agree that AR-15 has a higher ceiling, but he has a lower floor. He is going to be a total bust in the NFL, IMO.

I've been clear here in the thread ... SBIV is someone who has been doubted his entire life, mostly because he is 5'11 and not 6'2 or taller. All he has done is succeed at the highest levels. Maybe he doesn't make it at the NFL. Maybe that's where the talent gets to the point where he can't overcome his size limits. But as I pointed out here, I wouldn't bet against him, and at least one pro team, who you would presume knows a bit about QBs agrees with me.
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Stafford was our QB for a lot longer than he was at Georgia, so there is nothing about him you could tell me that I don't already know. He has never been all-pro and never will be all-pro. Hell -- the only time he was even named to the Pro Bowl is when he was the 2nd or 3rd alternate and a spot opened when others declined. If you aren't aware -- there is a huge difference between All-Pro and Pro Bowl. 1st team All-Pro means you are the best at your position in the NFL. Stafford will never be mistaken for that.

He definitely didn't have the top MPH throw at the combine -- it was the guy from UCLA, then AR-15. As far as the floor and ceiling for the SB or AR-15. IMO, AR's floor will be right around SB's ceiling. You continue to talk about his success at the highest levels, but the huge difference now is -- he is no longer surrounded by a team vastly more talented than who he is facing defensively. It is why size and arm strength are so big in the NFL and why teams are willing to spend high picks on QB's like AR-15, hoping they hit the jackpot like Buffalo with Josh Allen.

Success in college means absolutely nothing. And I'm not quite sure how the Rams knows more about QB's than any other team in the NFL? What am I missing with that?
 
SJ76 said:
But it absolutely is when you look at the body of work for the draft. Rams got a lot of good talent as a whole.

Trading down, still getting your guy on defense and then adding Stetson was a great move
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Not saying they didn't have a good draft. I'm saying there were players in the 4th that you could have had that would have made it even better.

No one wins $1m in the lotto and says "man this sucks because it wasn't $2m". Same deal. The rest of the draft can be fine, but the wasted 4th could have landed a contributor.
 
SJ76 said:
@fordman84 Maybe we missed a good guy in the 4th but found a gem in the 6th at the same position?

Rams have done good in rounds 4-7.
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Perhaps so! I'm not saying anything else about your draft, just that you wasted the 4th rounder.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Stafford was our QB for a lot longer than he was at Georgia, so there is nothing about him you could tell me that I don't already know. He has never been all-pro and never will be all-pro. Hell -- the only time he was even named to the Pro Bowl is when he was the 2nd or 3rd alternate and a spot opened when others declined. If you aren't aware -- there is a huge difference between All-Pro and Pro Bowl. 1st team All-Pro means you are the best at your position in the NFL. Stafford will never be mistaken for that.

He definitely didn't have the top MPH throw at the combine -- it was the guy from UCLA, then AR-15. As far as the floor and ceiling for the SB or AR-15. IMO, AR's floor will be right around SB's ceiling. You continue to talk about his success at the highest levels, but the huge difference now is -- he is no longer surrounded by a team vastly more talented than who he is facing defensively. It is why size and arm strength are so big in the NFL and why teams are willing to spend high picks on QB's like AR-15, hoping they hit the jackpot like Buffalo with Josh Allen.

Success in college means absolutely nothing. And I'm not quite sure how the Rams knows more about QB's than any other team in the NFL? What am I missing with that?
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I’m gonna have to disagree there about the floor and ceiling. Bennett’s ceiling is Chase Daniel/Chad Henne, long time backup with some spot starts.

AR’s floor is Jamarcus Russell
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Stafford was our QB for a lot longer than he was at Georgia, so there is nothing about him you could tell me that I don't already know. He has never been all-pro and never will be all-pro. Hell -- the only time he was even named to the Pro Bowl is when he was the 2nd or 3rd alternate and a spot opened when others declined. If you aren't aware -- there is a huge difference between All-Pro and Pro Bowl. 1st team All-Pro means you are the best at your position in the NFL. Stafford will never be mistaken for that.

He definitely didn't have the top MPH throw at the combine -- it was the guy from UCLA, then AR-15. As far as the floor and ceiling for the SB or AR-15. IMO, AR's floor will be right around SB's ceiling. You continue to talk about his success at the highest levels, but the huge difference now is -- he is no longer surrounded by a team vastly more talented than who he is facing defensively. It is why size and arm strength are so big in the NFL and why teams are willing to spend high picks on QB's like AR-15, hoping they hit the jackpot like Buffalo with Josh Allen.

Success in college means absolutely nothing. And I'm not quite sure how the Rams knows more about QB's than any other team in the NFL? What am I missing with that?
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NFL scout consensus is Bennet was a 5-6 round talent. LAR took him in the 4th. Nothing but him failing to ever produce while other players drafted later than him make pro bowls is going to cool the homers tits.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
I’m gonna have to disagree there about the floor and ceiling. Bennett’s ceiling is Chase Daniel/Chad Henne, long time backup with some spot starts.

AR’s floor is Jamarcus Russell
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And Bennett floor? JFF
AR ceiling? Cam Newton maybe?
 
You don't take a guy whose best shot is a few spot starts but his floor is washed out of the league in two years in the 4th. Not when you have needs at just about every position.

Unless your goal is to get another top 6 pick next year.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Success in college means absolutely nothing. And I'm not quite sure how the Rams knows more about QB's than any other team in the NFL? What am I missing with that?
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You are talking to me like I am an idiot. I am simply pointing out that at least one NFL team agrees with me so I can't be quite as dumb as you want to believe.

Now, you may turn out to be right. IDK, but at least one NFL disagrees with you.
 
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Illustrious Potentate said:
Bennett’s floor is Jake Fromm
AR ceiling is Ryan Mallett
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NFL scouts disagree with you on AR's ceiling, but I don't really care about that. He was taken so much higher that he's not even in the same conversation. That pick doesn't work out and someone gets fired. Stetson doesn't work out and everyone (who hasn't already) forgets about him 30 minutes after he is cut.
 
fordman84 said:
NFL scouts disagree with you on AR's ceiling, but I don't really care about that. He was taken so much higher that he's not even in the same conversation. That pick doesn't work out and someone gets fired. Stetson doesn't work out and everyone (who hasn't already) forgets about him 30 minutes after he is cut.
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No doubt, but someone is definitely getting fired over Richardson. He’s the most obvious QB bust in recent memory
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
No doubt, but someone is definitely getting fired over Richardson. He’s the most obvious QB bust in recent memory
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I bet they go ahead and let him have at least one season as a starter before they fire anyone.

Also, have you forgotten Wentz and Trey Lance?
 
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