Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

Across The Field said:
2013 was beyond frustrating from a play-calling standpoint, and 1998 was just one of those 1 in 1000 type games where everything went right for MSU and wrong for us. It happens though. If there was a CFP in 1998 I have little doubt we don't win the NC.
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Play calling at times was incredibly frustrating under Meyer and that's continued under Day as well. Unfortunately.
 
Voltaire said:
I guess you can make that claim, but we took a lot of ass-whoopings in a row for that claim to hold water. As much as I hate ohio state, I would still put Michigan behind ohio state ... maybe if we threepeat. It has returned to a good rivalry!!!!
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Michigan is the only team to beat Ohio State 2 years in row since USC did in 2008 & 2009

The last conference team to do it was Wisconsin in 2003 & 2004.
 
Red_Alert said:
That's just the CFP though.

Going back to the last 8 years of the BCS (2006 - 2013) the SEC won the NC 7 times.
Alabama (3), Florida (2), LSU (1), Auburn (1).

I'm not "pretending" anything. When other conferences have had their opportunity to beat SEC teams in CFP or NC games they've failed to do so.

I'm not going to argue that the SEC plays just 8 in-conference games to give themselves better rankings and a better shot at reaching NC games, because that's exactly why they do it. However, when an SEC team gets there (which is the vast majority of the time) they win it more often than not.

When the rest of the SEC plays 1 P5 and 3 cupcakes OOC they're gonna have more wins/fewer losses and therefore higher rankings. Ranked teams = SOS.
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Year after year no one plays tougher schedules than Auburn we are in the top 5 most years. We owe no one an apology.
 
All the Florida schools are behind on facilities, especially Miami. That hurts em too. Miami will never be what they were. They’re a small private school that decided their football players need to be able to read now.

But Florida and FSU need to upgrade their facilities before they can keep most of the talent away from Bama, OSU and UGA
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
No B1G West team is going to be a national contender ever unless lightning in a bottle happens. You could let the B1G West hand pick the best recruits off every team in the conference to make a super team and they still wouldn't have a top 5 recruiting class.
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I'm not arguing with you, I responded to a post saying Wisconsin was a contender.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
All the Florida schools are behind on facilities, especially Miami. That hurts em too. Miami will never be what they were. They’re a small private school that decided their football players need to be able to read now.

But Florida and FSU need to upgrade their facilities before they can keep most of the talent away from Bama, OSU and UGA
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Miami is a program that could maybe compete on a big national scale like every 4-5 years if they found the right coach and right development system. You are right though they will likely never be like they were in the 80s/90s/early 2000s ever again.

Florida State i'd say has the easiest path to major national relevance again.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Miami is a program that could maybe compete on a big national scale like every 4-5 years if they found the right coach and right development system. You are right though they will likely never be like they were in the 80s/90s/early 2000s ever again.

Florida State i'd say has the easiest path to major national relevance again.
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Given the current state of the ACC, FSU definitely has the easiest path. It wouldn't be shocking at all if they made the CFP this year, it's just a matter of if they can do anything. Their other trip to the CFP did not go well.
 
Across The Field said:
Given the current state of the ACC, FSU definitely has the easiest path. It wouldn't be shocking at all if they made the CFP this year, it's just a matter of if they can do anything. Their other trip to the CFP did not go well.
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Yea FSU was pretty decent last year and they should be very good this year in the ACC. Problem is after this year when they lose a lot of the guys who are making them good, we will see how they reload and if Norvell can keep it going.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
No B1G West team is going to be a national contender ever unless lightning in a bottle happens. You could let the B1G West hand pick the best recruits off every team in the conference to make a super team and they still wouldn't have a top 5 recruiting class.
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Never is a very long time. Have finished Top 6 in final polls 5 times in last 30 years. They were probably in the conversation.
 
dhoey said:
Likely not. As it is now, PAC teams play at a minimum 9 Power 5 games, most play 10. 8 game conference record would mean 8 min, with most playing 9. The conference game would be replaced with a patsy, ie SEC schedule of 8 conference, 1 PF and 2 cupcakes and 1 D2.
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Which patsy would that be...75% of your teams are already playing an FCS team...are you going to play 2? You'd run out of G5 West Coast teams...there are only so many Mountain West teams and it's not like you are dominating them lately...you got them pretty good last year, but you were dead even the 4 years before that... You going to start importing Sun Belt teams? Those cross-country games are expensive, you sure you can afford that on your new media deal?
 
Rolltide94 said:
Which patsy would that be...75% of your teams are already playing an FCS team...are you going to play 2? You'd run out of G5 West Coast teams...there are only so many Mountain West teams and it's not like you are dominating them lately...you got them pretty good last year, but you were dead even the 4 years before that... You going to start importing Sun Belt teams? Those cross-country games are expensive, you sure you can afford that on your new media deal?
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Pac 12 got the media right where they want them, all part of the great long con

Just ask @OregonDucks
 
Across The Field said:
They only have a national title ceiling because at one time they each had really good coaching staffs (or in LSU's case, got extremely lucky for one season that they had Joe Brady). That said, without Urban Meyer, Florida is going on 3 decades without a title and is most likely a mediocre team this century outside of a few 10-3 type years. LSU largely has been mediocre-above average for the past 15 years aside from the Burrow year and 2013. Thing is, with the recruiting advantages these schools have, not to mention the complete and total lack of interest the NCAA has in actually investigating anything that happens there, they should never have mediocrity. The reality is, though, they only have a national title ceiling when they have elite coaching, which goes for every team.
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LOL, I know another team that is in that multi-decade run without winning a title that was won by Urban Meyer.
 
Rolltide94 said:
LOL, I know another team that is in that multi-decade run without winning a title that was won by Urban Meyer.
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Who, Utah? OSU's last title was less than a decade ago, so...
 
Across The Field said:
Who, Utah? OSU's last title was less than a decade ago, so...
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Re-read what I wrote... Who was the coach when you won that title? Then do the math on the one before that.
 
Rolltide94 said:
I'm not arguing with you, I responded to a post saying Wisconsin was a contender.
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They are a contender................to win the B1G West. National Title contender? Not happening.
 
Kburjr said:
Never is a very long time. Have finished Top 6 in final polls 5 times in last 30 years. They were probably in the conversation.
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The difference between "top 6" and winning a national title is ENORMOUS. It isn't meant as disrespect to the Wisconsin program, but they will simply never be able to recruit like the elite programs.

Never is a strong word. So it isn't fair to use that. But they have 0 in 134 years and now with an extended playoff, where you are going to have to win 3 games in the playoff to win a title -- I'm not sure we will see that happen. And believe me -- I say the same thing about Michigan. We will need the stars to align or for Harbaugh to really pick up steam recruiting and pull in a string of top 5 recruiting classes, if they want to ever win a title again. I'm not holding my breath.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I think a lot of Nebraska's success in the 80s/90s had to do with them willing to push things and take guys that other schools probably wouldn't take bechause of character or academic issues. Once they stopped being able to do that they fell apart pretty quickly.
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What helped Nebraska in the 70's, 80's, 90's -- there was no internet, no social media, no national high school football camps, no specialized position coaches in high school, no strength and conditioning coaches in high school.

They were the first school in CFB to bring on a strength and conditioning coach. Nebraska was the pioneer of Strength and Conditioning -- schools spent millions and millions to try and catch up to them. They could bring in these lower ranked kids who weren't big time recruits and mold them, build them up and they became great players. Now EVERY HIGH SCHOOL has a strength and conditioning coach. These kids all go to HS camps. Many of these HS kids have their own specialized position coach. No kid falls thru the cracks with social media.

I've had this conversation with their fans for a while now and said it'd get worse once they left for the B1G, because now those kids in the southwest who would commit to Nebraska to be able to play conference games in the Southwest would be way harder to pull, as now they are playing their games in the Midwest.

I think Nebraska will be what their new rivals are going forward -- they will be another Wisconsin/Iowa. They will be competitive in their division of the B1G, but not playing for national titles. They may make the CFP here or there, but only to be fodder for one of the nationally elite programs.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Ohio State has also still been very competitive without Urban.

Florida went into the tank of mediocrity immediately after he left.
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IIRC, Herbs and Jimbo didn’t leave UF and FSU in very good shape respectively. Herbs left Day a lot better program. About 180 opposite of what he left UF. (Looks like Patterson left Dykes a program in good shape too.)
 
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