Teams who do less with more

I know Texas is the popular answer, however let me choose my rival, ou... Yes they have won 5 straight conference championships.. but for a school that has had 4 straight seasons of Heisman hopefuls, including 2 winners and a runner-up, yet not one win in postseason play. I get it, they play other top schools but the score margin have been getting wider.
 
Angry Red said:
Actually pops died when I was a little angry bastard. I have a Husker, Aggie, and Georgia fan to play with now.Midget Marines first, I guess. Have a nice day!
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Volbound1700 said:
Saban came into a rebuild at Alabama and won 12 games in year 2 and Natty in year 3.

Bobby Perino took over at Arkansas with nothing and won 9 games by year 2 and 10 by year 3.

Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss was winning 10 games by year 3.

Dan Mullin at Miss State...

James Franklin at Vanderbilt.

Sorry, I don't care what people say. Tennessee has enough talent that a coach should not be losing to Georgia State in year 2 and losing to Kentucky at home by year 3. Loom at Sam Pittman at Arkansas. He is doing more than Pruitt with less talent.
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Icy Man cheated.
 
Another controversial pick is the entire ACC.

For a league that geographic stretches from Massachusetts to Florida, controls significant media markets, and has fertile recruiting ground, the ACC has been a disappointment. Alot of that falls on FSU and Miami. If they can get back to the level of their programs in the 1980s and 1990s, that would help. Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State all have potential and are falling short.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Another controversial pick is the entire ACC.

For a league that geographic stretches from Massachusetts to Florida, controls significant media markets, and has fertile recruiting ground, the ACC has been a disappointment. Alot of that falls on FSU and Miami. If they can get back to the level of their programs in the 1980s and 1990s, that would help. Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and NC State all have potential and are falling short.
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How many of those ACC schools have had real history at being good football programs? FSU, MIA, VT, Pitt? Now Clemson has a firm grip on the entire conference. Not sure you can say they do less with more when the two other schools that are supposed to dominate (FSU/MIA) are in an arms race with FL/UCF/FIU for players in the state.. let alone all the big fish poaching the state.

You might as well include the entire state of TX.. UT, Tech, SMU, UH, baylor, TCU, aggy.. they all have been bad for an entire decade. Sure there are a couple years here and there that they did decent to well but overall, it's been bad.. None have won a Championship. For being in a state which grows prospects on trees, it's been very disappointing for in state schools.
 
Thiefery said:
How many of those ACC schools have had real history at being good football programs? FSU, MIA, VT, Pitt? Now Clemson has a firm grip on the entire conference. Not sure you can say they do less with more when the two other schools that are supposed to dominate (FSU/MIA) are in an arms race with FL/UCF/FIU for players in the state.. let alone all the big fish poaching the state.

You might as well include the entire state of TX.. UT, Tech, SMU, UH, baylor, TCU, aggy.. they all have been bad for an entire decade. Sure there are a couple years here and there that they did decent to well but overall, it's been bad.. None have won a Championship. For being in a state which grows prospects on trees, it's been very disappointing for in state schools.
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Pittsburgh has a National Title and was very competitive in 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. Dan Marino played at Pitt.

Virginia Tech was regularly winning 10 games with Beamer Ball.

NC State has been up and down but they are competitive.

I don't need to explain FSU or Miami.

Georgia Tech has a National title in the 1990s and were a regular top 25 team that decade.

Even Boston College and Syracuse used to field good teams.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Pittsburgh has a National Title and was very competitive in 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. Dan Marino played at Pitt.

Virginia Tech was regularly winning 10 games with Beamer Ball.

NC State has been up and down but they are competitive.

I don't need to explain FSU or Miami.

Georgia Tech has a National title in the 1990s and were a regular top 25 team that decade.

Even Boston College and Syracuse used to field good teams.
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You do know that the 90's were over 20 years ago, right? Dan Marino at Pitt was over 35 years ago. Hell there were in different conferences back then.. so was Va Tech in it's heydey.

Again what is doing less with more when you group an entire conference that is grounded by basketball blue bloods. Now can you say they suck and are terrible? Yes. But if you look at FSU/Miami/Pitt/VaTech.. are they pulling the type of classes that Clemson was pulling recently? Or maybe they are actually playing closer to what their rankings are?

I get FSU is a mess right now.. and Miami has been up and down, but I wouldn't consider them doing less with more. And the rest of the conference (outside Clemson)?? They just suck.
 
Thiefery said:
You do know that the 90's were over 20 years ago, right? Dan Marino at Pitt was over 35 years ago. Hell there were in different conferences back then.. so was Va Tech in it's heydey.

Again what is doing less with more when you group an entire conference that is grounded by basketball blue bloods. Now can you say they suck and are terrible? Yes. But if you look at FSU/Miami/Pitt/VaTech.. are they pulling the type of classes that Clemson was pulling recently? Or maybe they are actually playing closer to what their rankings are?

I get FSU is a mess right now.. and Miami has been up and down, but I wouldn't consider them doing less with more. And the rest of the conference (outside Clemson)?? They just suck.
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When the ACC expanded, there was alot of hype that it would pass the SEC and be the strongest conference. That has happened despite the recruiting and market advantages of the teams in this league. I also do not consider Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, FSU, or Miami as basketball school. They are more known as football schools. Using your logic, the Big12 is a basketball league. They do a lot better in that sport.
 
Volbound1700 said:
When the ACC expanded, there was alot of hype that it would pass the SEC and be the strongest conference. That has happened despite the recruiting and market advantages of the teams in this league. I also do not consider Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, FSU, or Miami as basketball school. They are more known as football schools. Using your logic, the Big12 is a basketball league. They do a lot better in that sport.
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There was no hype that it was going to be better than the SEC. The only teams that really competed for the title was a Miami team that was about to go doormant, FSU team under Bobby, and VaTech.. How are those three schools supposed to lift a conference to be better than not just the SEC (LSU had just won a title under Saban), but the Big 12, and even the PAC conference with the emergence of USC?

The storyline was that the best CBB conference (Big East) was destroyed because of the money Football brings in.
 
Thiefery said:
There was no hype that it was going to be better than the SEC. The only teams that really competed for the title was a Miami team that was about to go doormant, FSU team under Bobby, and VaTech.. How are those three schools supposed to lift a conference to be better than not just the SEC (LSU had just won a title under Saban), but the Big 12, and even the PAC conference with the emergence of USC?

The storyline was that the best CBB conference (Big East) was destroyed because of the money Football brings in.
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At the time, Maryland was a top 15 team, Georgia Tech was ranked, NC State was ranked, etc. These ACC schools have won national titles in the past and had great teams. Sorry that you just started watching football in 2005. Miami and Virginia Tech were national title contenders and Boston College was an 8 win team.
 
Thiefery said:
How many of those ACC schools have had real history at being good football programs? FSU, MIA, VT, Pitt? Now Clemson has a firm grip on the entire conference. Not sure you can say they do less with more when the two other schools that are supposed to dominate (FSU/MIA) are in an arms race with FL/UCF/FIU for players in the state.. let alone all the big fish poaching the state.

You might as well include the entire state of TX.. UT, Tech, SMU, UH, baylor, TCU, aggy.. they all have been bad for an entire decade. Sure there are a couple years here and there that they did decent to well but overall, it's been bad.. None have won a Championship. For being in a state which grows prospects on trees, it's been very disappointing for in state schools.
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Yeah but the Return on Investment has been fantastic.
 
Not Nebraska.
 
Thiefery said:
There was no hype that it was going to be better than the SEC. The only teams that really competed for the title was a Miami team that was about to go doormant, FSU team under Bobby, and VaTech.. How are those three schools supposed to lift a conference to be better than not just the SEC (LSU had just won a title under Saban), but the Big 12, and even the PAC conference with the emergence of USC?

The storyline was that the best CBB conference (Big East) was destroyed because of the money Football brings in.
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Miami cheated
 
Volbound1700 said:
At the time, Maryland was a top 15 team, Georgia Tech was ranked, NC State was ranked, etc. These ACC schools have won national titles in the past and had great teams. Sorry that you just started watching football in 2005. Miami and Virginia Tech were national title contenders and Boston College was an 8 win team.
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LOL you really gonna bring up MD? GaTech who's prime was in the early 90's? NC f'n state? Bro you are grasping at straws here.. How is that lineup supposed to compete with FL, LSU, BAMA, TN when they expanded? Let alone the UT, ou, NE, KSU, CO at that time in the Big12? You are giving way to much credit to the ACC my man
 
Thiefery said:
LOL you really gonna bring up MD? GaTech who's prime was in the early 90's? NC f'n state? Bro you are grasping at straws here.. How is that lineup supposed to compete with FL, LSU, BAMA, TN when they expanded? Let alone the UT, ou, NE, KSU, CO at that time in the Big12? You are giving way to much credit to the ACC my man
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Keep in mind the SEC wasn't as strong when the ACC expanded. LSU had not won their titles yet. I cannot dig up the media articles because this was back in 2002-2003 when ACC undertook the 1st expansion. However, the league has unlimited resources to compete and should be at least #2 as a conference when you look at their media markets, recruiting grounds, etc. No reason the ACC should be as bad as it currently is. Only Clemson has lived up to (and in reality exceeded) hype.

BTW, Clemson was another team that they cited to in the article. Clemson was a ranked team at the time under Tommy Bowden. Granted, not near as good as they are now.
 
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