The Heisman was rigged

Wizardhawk said:
'entire' is a strawman argument. QB is a bigger difference maker than all other spots on a football team. Their input matters.

Your first jump into this convo was attempting to suggest Penix isn't an easy pick for best player on this team and I just couldn't disagree with that more. Odunze is a flat-out stud and will get drafted much higher than Penix. Mike's injury history and weird throwing angle largely will put him 2nd or 3rd round pick at best, but that doesn't change how much impact he directly had on this team. He's THE leader of the team. They have circled around him. His return this year inspired others to return instead of jumping to the NFL.

There is no doubt in my mind at all that Penix is the best player on this team. You can argue Bo is also a special player in terms of best player in the conference. Given that he won the Maxwell, there are a whole lot of people nationwide that feel Penix is the best player in FBS so this isn't just a homer opinion.
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He wasn’t going to be a high draft pick. Let’s be honest about that. QB certainly makes a huge difference, but there are a lot of QBs that would be successful in that system with that stable of WRs. Odunze is arguably the best deep ball WR in the nation. We can look at Patrick Mahommes as an example. He now looks like a mediocre QB. Is it because his skills completely deteriorated or KC has arguably the worst WR corp in the NFL
 
Did the Oregon QB at least come in 2nd in Heisman voting? Who came in second?
 
Wizardhawk said:
As good as Penix is, the Sugar will be more about the questions on defense.

They surprised a lot of people with their dominant play in the CCG, but it wasn't a surprise for us after we learned our two main safeties were back for that game. The injuries on the back end were responsible for most of the season stats. Asa alone is huge in run fits as well as back end coverage.

What we do know is there is no moment too big for this team. They answer the call every time. Doesn't matter if they trail or need to hold a narrow lead. They don't fold under pressure.

Both teams can score. Which one controls the trenches on both sides? No idea until the game starts. UWs D will have to play at a high level to win.
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I think the game will come down to the LOS.. Quietly Washington ran the ball down Oregon’s throat in the PAC championship. Johnson was probably the player of the game. That probably hurt Penix. That also enabled Washington to dominate T.O.P. The team that makes the other QB uncomfortable, will probably win. That starts with making the offense 1 dimensional
 
DayButtAssMans’s said:
He had, less arguably, the best deep ball QB throwing to him too.
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That dude is 50/50 ball machine. Texas can enlighten you on how that helps a QB. Texas has 2 excellent WRs. Worthy maybe the hardest cover in the country. He is mediocre at best on deep balls. Mitchell is not going to come close to Worthy’s combine numbers, but deep shots to Mitchell connect at a significantly higher rate than shots to Worthy.

By the way, very impressed with the catch radius of the Washington WRs, not just Odunze
 
Codaxx said:
He wasn’t going to be a high draft pick. Let’s be honest about that. QB certainly makes a huge difference, but there are a lot of QBs that would be successful in that system with that stable of WRs. Odunze is arguably the best deep ball WR in the nation. We can look at Patrick Mahommes as an example. He now looks like a mediocre QB. Is it because his skills completely deteriorated or KC has arguably the worst WR corp in the NFL
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Odunze didn't win the Biletnikoff nor was he even in the top 10 voting for the Heisman.

The biggest argument against your stance is they kept winning even when McMillin went out for half the season and Polk had a stretch where he couldn't catch a single ball. They used their TE's more, and were down to their 5th, and 6th receivers who contributed to some of those wins.

This feels like you are trying to find an argument to match your prior opinion more than just looking at reality and drawing a conclusion.

I don't think Penix was robbed. I know some of his teammates do and some in the media think that.

Here's a shock: That happens for every guy who gets an invite and doesn't win it.

I don't think it's a travesty that Daniels won it. My only point is it shouldn't be the case that had Penix won it he wouldn't have also deserved it. They were different players on different teams that did what they do well.
 
Codaxx said:
I think the game will come down to the LOS.. Quietly Washington ran the ball down Oregon’s throat in the PAC championship. Johnson was probably the player of the game. That probably hurt Penix. That also enabled Washington to dominate T.O.P. The team that makes the other QB uncomfortable, will probably win. That starts with making the offense 1 dimensional
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And, now UW gets to add a new wrinkle to the D in Durfee, a kid that had to sit out an academic year for the transfer rule and that expires 12/15. By all accounts he might be the best pass rusher on the team so they might have at least a slight bump up in pass pressure over the CCG.
 
Wizardhawk said:
Odunze didn't win the Biletnikoff nor was he even in the top 10 voting for the Heisman.

The biggest argument against your stance is they kept winning even when McMillin went out for half the season and Polk had a stretch where he couldn't catch a single ball. They used their TE's more, and were down to their 5th, and 6th receivers who contributed to some of those wins.

This feels like you are trying to find an argument to match your prior opinion more than just looking at reality and drawing a conclusion.

I don't think Penix was robbed. I know some of his teammates do and some in the media think that.

Here's a shock: That happens for every guy who gets an invite and doesn't win it.

I don't think it's a travesty that Daniels won it. My only point is it shouldn't be the case that had Penix won it he wouldn't have also deserved it. They were different players on different teams that did what they do well.
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That was the point. Washington has 3 legit WRs and a great QB system. If Penix was as good as you are saying, he would not be playing his 6th year of college football. Imagine how good the Washington QBs we mentioned early would be, if they started in 6 seasons in college
 
Wizardhawk said:
And, now UW gets to add a new wrinkle to the D in Durfee, a kid that had to sit out an academic year for the transfer rule and that expires 12/15. By all accounts he might be the best pass rusher on the team so they might have at least a slight bump up in pass pressure over the CCG.
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Texas is very good at Tackle. Banks destroys speed. The interior is more vulnerable, than the Tackles.
 
Codaxx said:
That dude is 50/50 ball machine. Texas can enlighten you on how that helps a QB. Texas has 2 excellent WRs. Worthy maybe the hardest cover in the country. He is mediocre at best on deep balls. Mitchell is not going to come close to Worthy’s combine numbers, but deep shots to Mitchell connect at a significantly higher rate than shots to Worthy.

By the way, very impressed with the catch radius of the Washington WRs, not just Odunze
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Odunze shines with his ability to catch contested balls, for sure, but the deep ball was fairly spread out amongst the whole crew. Plenty of hitting Polk and McMillan down field in stride on his highlight reel.

Penix is by far the best down field QB, I'll die on that hill.
 
Codaxx said:
That was the point. Washington has 3 legit WRs and a great QB system. If Penix was as good as you are saying, he would not be playing his 6th year of college football. Imagine how good the Washington QBs we mentioned early would be, if they started in 6 seasons in college
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Penix missed half or more of every season for his first 4 years. How was he supposed to go to the league with 4 straight season ending injuries? lol

He left his first school to get away from the injury hangovers and get a fresh start. He immediately won and dominated in the new environment.

Wasn't a shock he came back for his 6th and last season given that just one full year after 4 injury prone seasons wasn't going to be enough to get a decent draft as it was. Now after 2 full years of playing every game, including hurt, he's upped his stock quite a bit.
 
Codaxx said:
Texas is very good at Tackle. Banks destroys speed. The interior is more vulnerable, than the Tackles.
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Kiper has one of UW's linemen at 14 in his draft ranking right now. A kid that can play both tackle or guard.

There's going to be a lot to watch in the trenches this game.
 
Codaxx said:
That was the point. Washington has 3 legit WRs and a great QB system. If Penix was as good as you are saying, he would not be playing his 6th year of college football. Imagine how good the Washington QBs we mentioned early would be, if they started in 6 seasons in college
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Penix is playing his 6th year because he had season ending injuries his first 4. He had to come back and stay healthy for a second straight year to bump his draft stock. He's also the reason Odunze chose to come back. Rome himself must think he's offering something better than 50/50 balls.
 
Wizardhawk said:
Penix missed half or more of every season for his first 4 years. How was he supposed to go to the league with 4 straight season ending injuries? lol

He left his first school to get away from the injury hangovers and get a fresh start. He immediately won and dominated in the new environment.

Wasn't a shock he came back for his 6th and last season given that just one full year after 4 injury prone seasons wasn't going to be enough to get a decent draft as it was. Now after 2 full years of playing every game, including hurt, he's upped his stock quite a bit.
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It is 6 seasons. A lot of QBs would be good with 6 seasons in the same system. Not sure how you can deny the advantage of that
 
Wizardhawk said:
Kiper has one of UW's linemen at 14 in his draft ranking right now. A kid that can play both tackle or guard.

There's going to be a lot to watch in the trenches this game.
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you can not stop either offense. You are going to give up a big play or 2. The best path for a Texas win is Sweat and Murphy having a big game. There isn’t a QB on earth that plays well vs consistent pressure up the middle. The attention those guys garner gives the other players a chance to pressure the QB. Both are great. They can be neutralized with tempo, assuming you get 1st downs
 
Codaxx said:
It is 6 seasons. A lot of QBs would be good with 6 seasons in the same system. Not sure how you can deny the advantage of that
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Um, I didn't?

Just said he had limited experience at all given how much he sat out.

Penix had more yards last year than his first 4 seasons combined. I could argue that means he had less than a full year's total experience over that span given how bad his injuries and rehabs were.
 
Wizardhawk said:
Um, I didn't?

Just said he had limited experience at all given how much he sat out.

Penix had more yards last year than his first 4 seasons combined. I could argue that means he had less than a full year's total experience over that span given how bad his injuries and rehabs were.
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I don't even understand what the argument is anymore, to be honest... Feel like we've gone from Penix isn't even the best player on UW, to if he's so good why is he in his 6th year, to of course he's good, he's in his 6th year...
 
Wizardhawk said:
Again, that doesn't appear to be the case for all. That counts for SEC and blue bloods, but not so much any other team.

Bo Nix had the stats, but his team lost twice. Both losses dropped his stock to where he got very little vote.

Penix had worse stats in many/most categories than Nix, but carried a fairly close second place on the back of an undefeated season.

Most years we see guys with a solid season said to be out of it the moment their teams lose.

So the only people who make your blanket statement are those trying to defend why their preferred finalist deserves it despite their team, while other years they will tell us player x is out because his team lost.

There are different standards for different players even within a given year. That's how these work.
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Fuck off shitstain. You been crying all fucking weekend like a bitch? Grow up Moron, your favorite sucked ass. Now go fuck yourself.
 
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