Pac12 expansion - looking to add 4 teams

[wazzu31]

Perhaps I miss interrupted you meaning canabilize. Please expand on that?

You aren’t making near what you were, and this doesn’t look like it’ll be considered a power conference.

Gave ya two ways it a downgrade. You’re welcome.

Reread what I said before you comment back then. I said restarting the conference is better than waiting on the gay Big 12. The canabalize statement came from if the ACC implodes.

None of us know what is even in the works as it’s all speculation, but one thing is for sure is ESPN/FOX/CW/Amazon or Apple is guaranteeing something worth while for those 4 schools. And no you have not given one way that this is a downgrade. You have no idea what you are talking about in saying it is a downgrade.

 

[wazzu31]

I thought "markets" had taken a back seat to "viewership". I live in the Keller area. I see more Double T and Okie Lite logos on vehicles than any other schools...including TCU! And I can't figure out why but there seems to be a lot of alumni and/or fans of those two around here.

No one is for sure if markets are something that even goes into this. Washington State and Oregon State are not behind this

 

[ralphiewvu]

Reread what I said before you comment back then. I said restarting the conference is better than waiting on the gay Big 12. The canabalize statement came from if the ACC implodes.

How, in the fuck, is the B12, going to canabalize itself? Answer the fucking question and don't act like a dumbass.

None of us know what is even in the works as it’s all speculation, but one thing is for sure is ESPN/FOX/CW/Amazon or Apple is guaranteeing something worth while for those 4 schools. And no you have not given one way that this is a downgrade. You have no idea what you are talking about in saying it is a downgrade.

You are a delusional homer believing you'll get paid anywhere close to what you were making in the PAC. It's not a power conference at this stage. It's the MWC with OSU and your team. It's not my fault you can't admit that. Be better.

 

[ericd7633]

does that have something to do with stanford moving to the ACC and the ND agreement with the ACC?

Yes, I think so. ND wants to play Stanford and vice versa, but ND wants to include that game as part of the ACC 5 games per year and the ACC doesn't want that. At least from what I've read. That seems to be the hold up with the new agreement.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yes, I think so. ND wants to play Stanford and vice versa, but ND wants to include that game as part of the ACC 5 games per year and the ACC doesn't want that. At least from what I've read. That seems to be the hold up with the new agreement.

The ACC will give in. ND could do what they do in the B12 for the same price.

 

[wazzu31]

How, in the fuck, is the B12, going to canabalize itself? Answer the fucking question and don't act like a dumbass.

You are a delusional homer believing you'll get paid anywhere close to what you were making in the PAC. It's not a power conference at this stage. It's the MWC with OSU and your team. It's not my fault you can't admit that. Be better.

I already gave you my answer on the Big 12/ACC. Your comprehension isn’t my fault.

And you are obviously a retard level child if you think your last sentence makes any sense. There is literally nothing about this move that is a downgrade. If you rewind the clock to 2022, ok kicking out the other 10 members and adding those 4 teams in, yes that would be a downgrade. But you and your low IQ doesn’t realize we are living in 2024 where those members are gone and instead of joining the MWC, we took their best teams. If that doesn’t square up to you then I suggest you go Billy Madison and go back to school.

 

[ericd7633]

He’s never going to get the votes for Uconn at this stage. UConn’s football program absolutely crushes their chances. They should be a shoe in given their market and hellacious good history in basketball. But this is about football. It’s why Gonzaga isn’t a member/partial member ether. OSU and WSU would have a good chance if we go to 24. It gives more B12 after dark games and really knocks out any chance of a “Power” conference re/forming in the west. That’s of course after the B12 grabs some remaining teams in the ACC.

Stanford and Cal ultimately want to be in the B1G but how hellousious this travel will be I could see them coming back to this given ACC implosion. They probably aren’t staying in the ACC if the ACC loses 8+.

I agree at this point UConn is a no, but I can see them being approved somewhat soon.

I mean, yeah, if the B12 goes to 24, they are a logical choice, but that wasn't going to happen quickly enough. Going independent isn't an option either because of all their other sports needing a home. They had to do something by the 2026 deadline. This was essentially all they could do IMO.

 

[ericd7633]

The ACC will give in. ND could do what they do in the B12 for the same price.

Yeah, the ACC will bow down to what ND wants. Have since their agreement.

 

[Deep Creek]

Looks like UNLV doesn’t have a chance unless they change their name. This conference will be named State Conference until further notice-Oregon STATE, Washington STATE, San Diego STATE, Fresno STATE, Boise STATE, Colorado STATE…

 

[fordman84]

Baseball has nothing to do with it. Basketball has very little but is a consideration but baseball is an after thought.

Only at schools that suck at baseball.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I already gave you my answer on the Big 12/ACC. Your comprehension isn’t my fault.

How in the fuck would we be catabolizing anything by adding acc teams you infant fuckstick? You didn't explain shit and it's quite obvious you can't.

And you are obviously a retard level child if you think your last sentence makes any sense. There is literally nothing about this move that is a downgrade. If you rewind the clock to 2022, ok kicking out the other 10 members and adding those 4 teams in, yes that would be a downgrade. But you and your low IQ doesn’t realize we are living in 2024 where those members are gone and instead of joining the MWC, we took their best teams. If that doesn’t square up to you then I suggest you go Billy Madison and go back to school.

I'm going to make this real easy for you because you are ether pretending to be stupid or are truly fucking mentally retarded.

MWC paid each member $4 million dollars in 2022-2023.
The PAC paid each member $33.6 million dollars in 2022-2023.

33.6 > 4

2 PAC teams added 4 MWC teams. This isn't complicated shit. You aren't making nor ever will make what you did in the PAC adding mid majors. And that's without even touching the P label you arent retrieving at this point. Understand yet cement head?

 

[ralphiewvu]

I agree at this point UConn is a no, but I can see them being approved somewhat soon.

I mean, yeah, if the B12 goes to 24, they are a logical choice, but that wasn't going to happen quickly enough. Going independent isn't an option either because of all their other sports needing a home. They had to do something by the 2026 deadline. This was essentially all they could do IMO.

Unless the networks (mainly ESPN) tell us to bring UConn in that's not happening imo until after an acc collapse if it happens at all.

I agree timing for those two sucked. But it's still a downgrade no matter how ya look at it.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yeah, the ACC will bow down to what ND wants. Have since their agreement.

They would be stupid not to imo.

 

[78Cyclones]

Haha I mean I guess so. Probably isn't a rule about playing the same team twice in the regular season

It is allowed and happens. Liberty and NM State have done it recently.

 

[ericd7633]

Unless the networks (mainly ESPN) tell us to bring UConn in that's not happening imo until after an acc collapse if it happens at all.

I agree timing for those two sucked. But it's still a downgrade no matter how ya look at it.

I don't understand how this is a downgrade given the current landscape? The league's deal with CW and Fox weren't disclosed, but I'm guessing they might be getting $3/4 million per year if that. The current Mtn. West TV deal nets almost $5 million per school. Is it a downgrade from what they were making in the P12 before? Yes, of course, but they were never getting a deal close to that, because they weren't a viable option for B12 inclusion prior to the NCAA deadline. This also likely brings ESPN and Fox back to the table to negotiate a deal, because that's a shit ton of inventory now. My guess is they get somewhere between the $8-$10 million per year mark per school. We just saw Texas Tech vs Wazzu generate more than 1 million viewers on a game that kicked off at 10:00 pm. That's a good number. Given the likelihood that Fox will want the Civil War and Apple Cup games to air on their network, they might pay a little more. We'll see, but this is a great move for the P2 IMO.

 

[duckboy33]

I'd personally go with UNLV and New Mexico out of the Mtn. West. New Mexico has a really good bball tradition. AFA doesn't have that, and hasn't been good enough in football IMO. Also, I think I'd lean Texas State instead of North Texas.

I think New Mexico is in play. UNLV's situation is apparently complicated because of their affiliation with Nevada. I could honestly see Air Force bolting for the AAC if the PAC doesn't invite them first. I think being in a conference with Army and Navy could make sense for them.

I've heard the PAC is higher on North Texas than Texas State but I like Texas State's potential as well. If it proves too hard to pull teams from the AAC, I think that's a great option for the PAC.

 

[ericd7633]

I think New Mexico is in play. UNLV's situation is apparently complicated because of their affiliation with Nevada. I could honestly see Air Force bolting for the AAC if the PAC doesn't invite them first. I think being in a conference with Army and Navy could make sense for them.

I've heard the PAC is higher on North Texas than Texas State but I like Texas State's potential as well. If it proves too hard to pull teams from the AAC, I think that's a great option for the PAC.

AFA in the AAC makes a lot of sense so it probably won't happen. Lol. Yeah, I heard the same thing in regards to UNLV and Nevada. I think both would be a good addition. Nevada is down in football now, but has a good bball tradition. As does UNLV obviously.

Yeah, I just feel like Texas State is more financially invested in being good, so they have better potential. That's what makes UTSA a viable option too given their commitment to football and bball.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You asked this question:

I don't understand how this is a downgrade given the current landscape?

Then answered it lolololol:

The league's deal with CW and Fox weren't disclosed, but I'm guessing they might be getting $3/4 million per year if that. The current Mtn. West TV deal nets almost $5 million per school. Is it a downgrade from what they were making in the P12 before?
Yes, of course, but they were never getting a deal close to that, because they weren't a viable option for B12 inclusion prior to the NCAA deadline.

and I highly disagree they weren't a viable B12 option. But unfortunately the urgency to bring them in isn't there.

This also likely brings ESPN and Fox back to the table to negotiate a deal, because that's a shit ton of inventory now. My guess is they get somewhere between the $8-$10 million per year mark per school. We just saw Texas Tech vs Wazzu generate more than 1 million viewers on a game that kicked off at 10:00 pm. That's a good number. Given the likelihood that Fox will want the Civil War and Apple Cup games to air on their network, they might pay a little more. We'll see, but this is a great move for the P2 IMO.

This is crazy, they went from 2 years ago getting paid over $30 mill to going to $10 and you're asking how it's a downgrade?? Like seriously??

 

[duckboy33]

AFA in the AAC makes a lot of sense so it probably won't happen. Lol. Yeah, I heard the same thing in regards to UNLV and Nevada. I think both would be a good addition. Nevada is down in football now, but has a good bball tradition. As does UNLV obviously.

Yeah, I just feel like Texas State is more financially invested in being good, so they have better potential. That's what makes UTSA a viable option too given their commitment to football and bball.

There's also the small chance the PAC convinces Tulane, Memphis, USF etc. to join and become the strongest G5 conference by far. I don't think those schools will think the value is worth the travel but who knows.

 

[CoalTrain]

Huh? Greenville, NC (ECU) instead of some Texas schools such as UTSA, North Texas, Texas State, Rice???

Also, IF the PAC decides to go as far eastward as Tampa (USF), then I believe Atlanta (Georgia State) would be a better eastern partner for USF than Greenville.

GA State would work too, just long as it’s coast to coast. That seems to be the Trend now, gotta cover all over the country… which is dumb when these “less than” conferences are trying to be as cost efficient as possible