Pac12 expansion - looking to add 4 teams

Hu War Yu said:
I thought, at the time of the other moves out of the PAC, that the best course of action would have been for Wazzu and OSU to merge with the MWC, but rename it the Pac-12, since they retained the rights to the marketing and logos and everything. But I'm not sure how that would have worked once you get TV Lawyers involved.
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Makes a lot of sense. That's probably way too damn logical in today's world!
 
Hu War Yu said:
I thought, at the time of the other moves out of the PAC, that the best course of action would have been for Wazzu and OSU to merge with the MWC, but rename it the Pac-12, since they retained the rights to the marketing and logos and everything. But I'm not sure how that would have worked once you get TV Lawyers involved.
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I don’t think a merger ever would’ve worked though cause it was proposed when the scheduling agreement talks first started. Washington State and Oregon State are trying to show they are in between P4 and G5 status with athletic budgeting and performance but half the MWC has little appetite for raising their budgets and trying to field competitive athletic programs.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Basically, they are doing a version of exactly what you outlined but they found a way to do it while being able to kick out some teams that didn't hold as much value.
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Should have brought them all in.
 
wazzu31 said:
I don’t think a merger ever would’ve worked though cause it was proposed when the scheduling agreement talks first started. Washington State and Oregon State are trying to show they are in between P4 and G5 status with athletic budgeting and performance but half the MWC has little appetite for raising their budgets and trying to field competitive athletic programs.
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Did the two (WSU, OSU) even want to merge? The way it's going is prolly best because of what you said. This way, they get to cherry pick from the MWC and leave the garbage behind. Hawaii, Nevada-Reno etc. Big 12 did this and left SMU, TCU Houston and Rice in the gutter. Did this again with the AAC, taking UCF, Cinn. etc. But by doing this, they have to scramble to get the number of teams needed, but probably the best way in the end.
 
wazzu31 said:
I don’t think a merger ever would’ve worked though cause it was proposed when the scheduling agreement talks first started. Washington State and Oregon State are trying to show they are in between P4 and G5 status with athletic budgeting and performance but half the MWC has little appetite for raising their budgets and trying to field competitive athletic programs.
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I think this is true but that thought went out the window when they couldn't lure the best of the AAC. At this point, a merger probably makes more sense than paying the buyouts, the lawsuit, etc. associated with leaving Hawaii and Wyoming out.
 
wazzu31 said:
I don’t think a merger ever would’ve worked though cause it was proposed when the scheduling agreement talks first started. Washington State and Oregon State are trying to show they are in between P4 and G5 status with athletic budgeting and performance but half the MWC has little appetite for raising their budgets and trying to field competitive athletic programs.
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in the end it still looks like

P2



Next 2


Pac 12
G5
 
Deep Creek said:
P2



Next 2


PAC 12, AAC These two are going to be about equal IMO.


G4
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Possible and makes sense. even if the initial money Pac 12 gets we'll have to see what the AAC gets on their next go round because they are still riding the money from when UH, Cinci and UCF were there.
 
i saw somewhere the media valuation for Pac12 with AAC schools really hasnt changed without them and the addition of Utah State and speculation of another more regional school.
 
OlyDuck said:
i saw somewhere the media valuation for Pac12 with AAC schools really hasnt changed without them and the addition of Utah State and speculation of another more regional school.
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Outside of ND, I can’t think of a single non P2 school that moves the “media valuation” much. I know, I know FSU/Clem, blah,blah. But we’ve seen how that’s working out.
 
Wild Turkey said:
You are the Oprah of realignment. You get a conference and you get a conference and......
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I just feel like there's not a significant difference between a Boise/Fresno and a Utah State/New Mexico. By aligning themselves with even the "best" of the Mountain WAC, Wazzu and OSU are creating a decidedly inferior conference to the old PAC 12

Plus, you need internal patsies in order to fluff that record.
 
Hu War Yu said:
I just feel like there's not a significant difference between a Boise/Fresno and a Utah State/New Mexico. By aligning themselves with even the "best" of the Mountain WAC, Wazzu and OSU are creating a decidedly inferior conference to the old PAC 12

Plus, you need internal patsies in order to fluff that record.
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While there is a difference in the quality of football, at least historically, I agree there probably isn't a lot of difference as far as media attractiveness goes.

I also agree about the internal patsies. When a conference doesn't have a lot of separation, there will be close games but that might not be a good recipe for CFP spots.
 
Hu War Yu said:
I just feel like there's not a significant difference between a Boise/Fresno and a Utah State/New Mexico. By aligning themselves with even the "best" of the Mountain WAC, Wazzu and OSU are creating a decidedly inferior conference to the old PAC 12

Plus, you need internal patsies in order to fluff that record.
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Let's be honest they will get those patsies anyway and not have to share revenue. It's a cruel world.
 
Hu War Yu said:
I just feel like there's not a significant difference between a Boise/Fresno and a Utah State/New Mexico. By aligning themselves with even the "best" of the Mountain WAC, Wazzu and OSU are creating a decidedly inferior conference to the old PAC 12

Plus, you need internal patsies in order to fluff that record.
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What do you expect? They didn’t have any other options. The PAC went after the best of the MWC and AAC because they knew it was the best they could possibly do. No one else worth anything would be willing to sign up and in the case of the AAC, none of their most attractive teams were willing to make the move anyway.
 
Boise4Life said:
What do you expect? They didn’t have any other options. The PAC went after the best of the MWC and AAC because they knew it was the best they could possibly do. No one else worth anything would be willing to sign up and in the case of the AAC, none of their most attractive teams were willing to make the move anyway.
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I think there are questions like what the conversation was like with the B12. There were at least rumors Yormark had interest in those two because of that warchest. And if they are going to drain or significantly lessen said chest for a glorified MWC, they should have just gave it to the B12 in exchange for membership a promise of a full share eventually. That full share looking like at least 3x what this conference they are putting together may make.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I think there are questions like what the conversation was like with the B12. There were at least rumors Yormark had interest in those two because of that warchest. And if they are going to drain or significantly lessen said chest for a glorified MWC, they should have just gave it to the B12 in exchange for membership a promise of a full share eventually. That full share looking like at least 3x what this conference they are putting together may make.
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I don’t know man. If the Big 12 really wanted them then they would have already had them by now and OSU and Wazzu would have accepted in the blink of an eye.
 
OlyDuck said:
i saw somewhere the media valuation for Pac12 with AAC schools really hasnt changed without them and the addition of Utah State and speculation of another more regional school.
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I read that two. I don’t know anything about Logan Utah but something seems weird that they are equal to Memphis and New Orleans
 
OlyDuck said:
in the end it still looks like

P2



Next 2


Pac 12
G5
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Disagree. Utah is the only school that makes the Big 12 a superior conference and it’s not like Utah is vastly superior to WSU, OSU and Boise State. I truly don’t think Utah is what they are now had they played in the Pac 12 North.
 
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