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Finally took a few minutes to get this all typed up re: Miami Heat.

Anyone here fan enough to respond?

Bam is certainly untouchable and we're going to max him out when it's time. Herro shouldn't be traded either. Herro is the future PG, and he's clearly showing he can dish it out, drive to the basket, and hit shots when it matters at the end of a game. We lost Game 4, but Herro had ice in his veins..

For the next 3 years, you keep Jimmy, Bam and Tyler and trade anyone else you need to. Maybe keep Goran for another year or two.

Nunn and Duncan are great trade bait. I am okay getting rid of Duncan, because he wasn't spectacular this series and credit to Milwaukee. Any team that have the defenders to blanket him, will. He really can't separate all that well consistently, but perhaps it's just the Bucks D is very good and clearly the #1 Defense during the season..
Nunn was 2nd in the ROTY race, and you can trade that away.

Then we need to just dump contracts: Kelly O, Iggy, Hill, and I forget what others are a little more than they should be.

If Giannis truly wants to stay in Milwaukee, god bless him. But if so, give me Beal and Embiid.. or just Beal.

Any thoughts on Meyers Leonard?
 
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Is the Heat's season over already?
 
Wonder if Toronto will be open to trading Kyle Lowry?
 
garvey said:
Wonder if Toronto will be open to trading Kyle Lowry?
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Wouldn't put it past Ujiri. Got 1 year 31 mil on the deal. Going to try and sign FVV and Ibaka I would think and then get ready to get Giannis in 2021?
 
Kuzma for DRose rumors going around. Is Kuzma really not worth more than that? I've seen some stuff from Lakers sites talking about Rose to LA being somewhat likely for some reason. Maybe it is. I'm out on Kuzma, but I have no clue what the value is on either him or Rose. I'm kind of figuring Rose doesn't have much value at this point. He's still good, but he gets hurt way too much to be worth much more than maybe a late 1.
 
Kuzma's role did diminish so of course his numbers don't look as good. He didn't improve much even with a smaller sample size. For being a last 1st round pick he can still be a young role player for a contending team though. He improved defensively for sure though. At this point, the Lakers having a PG that can score at will and distribute would be more beneficial this year. You can always get a guy like Kuzma so yeah I think his value isn't very high but if it's enough to get DRose that's a win for the Lakers
 
Shanemansj13 said:
Kuzma's role did diminish so of course his numbers don't look as good. He didn't improve much even with a smaller sample size. For being a last 1st round pick he can still be a young role player for a contending team though. He improved defensively for sure though. At this point, the Lakers having a PG that can score at will and distribute would be more beneficial this year. You can always get a guy like Kuzma so yeah I think his value isn't very high but if it's enough to get DRose that's a win for the Lakers
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The biggest problem with Kuzma is that I think teams will believe he has hit his ceiling. Many also forget Kuzma is 25 years old. For reference Giannis is only 25. D'Angelo Russell is 24. Hell even Andrew Wiggins is 25.

Kuzma's value is less than people would expect because he doesn't come with that added "youthful upside". He's more of a player who's value is based on play and for that I believe it's somewhat close to what it should be.
 
citysushi said:
The biggest problem with Kuzma is that I think teams will believe he has hit his ceiling. Many also forget Kuzma is 25 years old. For reference Giannis is only 25. D'Angelo Russell is 24. Hell even Andrew Wiggins is 25.

Kuzma's value is less than people would expect because he doesn't come with that added "youthful upside". He's more of a player who's value is based on play and for that I believe it's somewhat close to what it should be.
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Yeah his ceiling is likely maxed out..which isn't a terrible thing but it depends on who wants him and for what role. A starter on a bad team or a role player on a playoff team...either way, the only way to get something more than say like a DRose is include him in a package and the Lakers don't have a ton of assets. I expect him to be flipped considering he is wanting a "sizeable" contract. I'm not sure what that means. It would be best for the Lakers to trade him though without a doubt imo
 
garvey said:
Kuzma for DRose rumors going around. Is Kuzma really not worth more than that? I've seen some stuff from Lakers sites talking about Rose to LA being somewhat likely for some reason. Maybe it is. I'm out on Kuzma, but I have no clue what the value is on either him or Rose. I'm kind of figuring Rose doesn't have much value at this point. He's still good, but he gets hurt way too much to be worth much more than maybe a late 1.
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I disagree with @Shanemansj13 re: his ceiling. He's young and has improved in some area every season. He was inconsistent this past season because he was playing with Lebron and AD after being at least the #2 option for his first 2 years. His work ethic isn't an issue either. He wants to be that "3rd star" for the Lakers and showed that ability at times, but not consistently enough.

The Lakers will likely look to trade him though. They could wait and see if he can take enough of a step forward this season to fill that role. But the problem is, they are in win now mode. So if Shane is right about him, they are stuck with him because his contract is so low that it doesn't even make a good expiring contract for a team to clear cap space with.

Rose has some value because he has had something of a resurgence over the past couple of years. His ability to stay healthy is a pretty big question mark though. If he can stay healthy, he could be helpful for the Lakers because they don't really have a playmaker other than Lebron. But, staying healthy isn't really something that they can count on, imo.
 
trojanfan12 said:
I disagree with @Shanemansj13 re: his ceiling. He's young and has improved in some area every season. He was inconsistent this past season because he was playing with Lebron and AD after being at least the #2 option for his first 2 years. His work ethic isn't an issue either. He wants to be that "3rd star" for the Lakers and showed that ability at times, but not consistently enough.

The Lakers will likely look to trade him though. They could wait and see if he can take enough of a step forward this season to fill that role. But the problem is, they are in win now mode. So if Shane is right about him, they are stuck with him because his contract is so low that it doesn't even make a good expiring contract for a team to clear cap space with.

Rose has some value because he has had something of a resurgence over the past couple of years. His ability to stay healthy is a pretty big question mark though. If he can stay healthy, he could be helpful for the Lakers because they don't really have a playmaker other than Lebron. But, staying healthy isn't really something that they can count on, imo.
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Can he improve at things, sure...like his shooting. I mentioned he already improved his defense but 19.0 ppg is still pretty good for a guy that gets dogged a lot. That was his production getting starter minutes on a non-playoff team. You could definitely get that out of him with the improved defense and if he becomes a better shooter...great. So yeah I do think that is his ceiling...that doesn't mean he can improve at certain areas but even with his young age he is going to dramatically improve. His ceiling is stunted, it would be in his best interest to become a specialty guy or key role player if he can improve his shooting.

But right now his value isn't high BUT he is on a rookie contract still. That's the value here. No the Lakers aren't stuck with him for this year as long as they pair him with a player(s) to match the money. I'm just not sure what you are expecting to get from a Kuzma deal without pairing picks, players...his value is lower now than it was last year but that doesn't mean teams don't want to take a chance on a young player with good work ethic. The ONLY reason the Lakers waited is bc they believed in him, he took strides on defense but offensively he was overall inconsistent, like you mentioned.

No, he didn't improve from year 1 to year 2. And year 2 to year 3 he improved his defense everything else didn't improve much at all, if any. It has nothing to do with his minutes but I'm sure that can mess with a player who was getting higher minutes. So like I said, I don't see his ceiling much higher than it is...that's just my opinion. Like I said he can be a nice option on a bad team or a mediocre team, a role player on a playoff team.

Do you want the Lakers to give him a "sizeable deal"?
 
Shanemansj13 said:
Can he improve at things, sure...like his shooting. I mentioned he already improved his defense but 19.0 ppg is still pretty good for a guy that gets dogged a lot. That was his production getting starter minutes on a non-playoff team. You could definitely get that out of him with the improved defense and if he becomes a better shooter...great. So yeah I do think that is his ceiling...that doesn't mean he can improve at certain areas but even with his young age he is going to dramatically improve. His ceiling is stunted, it would be in his best interest to become a specialty guy or key role player if he can improve his shooting.

But right now his value isn't high BUT he is on a rookie contract still. That's the value here. No the Lakers aren't stuck with him for this year as long as they pair him with a player(s) to match the money. I'm just not sure what you are expecting to get from a Kuzma deal without pairing picks, players...his value is lower now than it was last year but that doesn't mean teams don't want to take a chance on a young player with good work ethic. The ONLY reason the Lakers waited is bc they believed in him, he took strides on defense but offensively he was overall inconsistent, like you mentioned.

No, he didn't improve from year 1 to year 2. And year 2 to year 3 he improved his defense everything else didn't improve much at all, if any. It has nothing to do with his minutes but I'm sure that can mess with a player who was getting higher minutes. So like I said, I don't see his ceiling much higher than it is...that's just my opinion. Like I said he can be a nice option on a bad team or a mediocre team, a role player on a playoff team.

Do you want the Lakers to give him a "sizeable deal"?
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As far as his improvement, it's more than just points. His decision making and team defense both improved.

I seriously doubt he'll ever be a 20+ ppg guy...he's certainly not going to be as a 3rd option. Like I said, I think this year was more about adjusting to being the 3rd option alongside 2 superstars. Heck, Bosh and Love both struggled with that and they were veteran, all star players. He was a 3rd year guy playing with a completely different roster and completely different coaching staff. Those kinds of things matter in a players development. I'm actually a little surprised that he didn't struggle more.

As for any deal the Lakers give him. It depends on what is meant by "sizeable". He made $2 million this past year and will get just under $4 million this coming season. So, paying him $10-$13 million would be a sizeable deal compared to that. Heck, $8-$10 million would be a sizeable deal compared to his rookie contract.

If he doesn't get traded and the Lakers are actually negotiating with him after this season, it would mean that he played well enough to make them want to keep him. So, sizeable could mean a lot of things depending on that. Example, if he doesn't improve a lot...then he'd be worth closer to $8-$9 million, solid improvement might put him in the $10-$13 million range. Significant improvement could get him $15 million+ depending on how significant.

I think he's likely to improve enough to get into the $10-$13 million range.
 
Who is the Pistons GM and what the fuck are they doing?
 
Sad to see Steven Adams traded last night. Hes been here forever. More first round picks. Unreal OKC is closing in on 30 1st and 2nd round picks now.
 
Wishbone said:
Sad to see Steven Adams traded last night. Hes been here forever. More first round picks. Unreal OKC is closing in on 30 1st and 2nd round picks now.
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Maybe Presti is trying to put together 2 teams and then he'll keep the one he likes best. lol
 
Pelinka having a great off-season.

So far, he's brought in Schroder for next to nothing, Wes Matthews and got Montrzl Harrell away from the Clippers (making them better while hurting their main competition in the West.

The Lakers are said to be in the running for Bogdan Bogdanovich (although he likely goes to the Hawks) and are apparently talking to Marc Gasol.
 
Wishbone said:
Sad to see Steven Adams traded last night. Hes been here forever. More first round picks. Unreal OKC is closing in on 30 1st and 2nd round picks now.
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I missed that one. Where'd he go?
 
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