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Should be really interesting this year with a much shorter OOC. How will that impact teams like Indiana who are only 6-4 but have played better OOC than a team like Drake which is unbeaten but their OOC was light
 
rmilia1 said:
Should be really interesting this year with a much shorter OOC. How will that impact teams like Indiana who are only 6-4 but have played better OOC than a team like Drake which is unbeaten but their OOC was light
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The answer for me is negatively if the committee is going to be fair.

In a usual year, even the middle and bottom of the power conferences will run through 5-6 games of mid major cupcakes and more or less win all of them.

But this year, you only had a few games like that. So Indiana beating a few middling Power Conference teams doesn't mean as much as it would.

I think RPI is the fairest metric right now and Indiana is in the 80s.
 
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I’m not a net rankings guy or a RPI guru but Indiana sucks

Keep it simple
 
 


Worth noting.
 
Houston, Gonzaga and Missouri currently have the most Q1 wins with 4.
 
ericd7633 said:


Worth noting.
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I have to look at it more closely, but I give the committee some credit.

The Big East and ACC were heavily penalized for not getting games OOC in and quite honestly, not winning the games they did play.

Florida State, UVA, Creighton about where they should be. SEC might have gotten a little too much credit.
 
Clemson leading the ACC! Basketball school!
 
Scar almost cracking the top 100. Maybe next time kids.
 
NET ratings by P7 conferences:

ACC:
1. Clemson (15th nationally)
2. Syracuse (25th nationally)
3. Louisville (33rd nationally)
4. Virginia Tech (34th nationally)
5. NC State (38th nationally)
6. Virginia (45th nationally)
7. Florida State (60th nationally)
8. North Carolina (64th nationally)
9. Wake Forest (69th nationally)
10. Pittsburgh (75th nationally)
11. Georgia Tech (95th nationally)
12. Duke (115th nationally)
13. Boston College (132nd nationally)
14. Miami FL (133rd nationally)
15. Notre Dame (169th nationally)

AAC:
1. Houston (8th nationally)
2. SMU (37th nationally)
3. Wichita State (61st nationally)
4. Tulsa (66th nationally)
5. UCF (74th nationally)
6. Memphis (96th nationally)
7. ECU (104th nationally)
8. USF (114th nationally)
9. Cincinnati (142nd nationally)
10. Temple (152nd nationally)
11. Tulane (160th nationally)

Big 12:
1. Baylor (2nd nationally)
2. Texas (9th nationally)
3. Texas Tech (18th nationally)
4. Kansas (27th nationally)
5. West Virginia (29th nationally)
6. Oklahoma State (35th nationally)
7. Oklahoma (49th nationally)
8. TCU (65th nationally)
9. Kansas State (203rd nationally)
10. Iowa State (209th nationally)

Big East:
1. Villanova (5th nationally)
2. Creighton (30th nationally)
3. Seton Hall (44th nationally)
4. Xavier (46th nationally)
5. UConn (48th nationally)
6. Marquette (63rd nationally)
7. Providence (78th nationally)
8. St. John's (112th nationally)
9. Georgetown (149th nationally)
10. DePaul (155th nationally)
11. Butler (170th nationally)

Big Ten:
1. Illinois (4th nationally)
2. Michigan (6th nationally)
3. Iowa (7th nationally)
4. Wisconsin (11th nationally)
5. Rutgers (17th nationally)
6. Ohio State (28th nationally)
7. Maryland (32nd nationally)
8. Penn State (42nd nationally)
9. Minnesota (43rd nationally)
10. Purdue (47th nationally)
11. Northwestern (50th nationally)
12. Indiana (51st nationally)
13. Michigan State (119th nationally)
14. Nebraska (186th nationally)

PAC 12:
1. Colorado (14th nationally)
2. Oregon (19th nationally)
3. Arizona (21st nationally)
4. USC (26th nationally)
5. UCLA (54th nationally)
6. Stanford (55th nationally)
7. Washington State (101st nationally)
8. Arizona State (105th nationally)
9. Utah (120th nationally)
10. California (193rd nationally)
11. Oregon State (198th nationally)
12. Washington (237th nationally)

SEC:
1. Tennessee (3rd nationally)
2. Missouri (10th nationally)
3. Florida (22nd nationally)
4. LSU (23rd nationally)
5. Arkansas (24th nationally)
6. Alabama (36th nationally)
7. Ole Miss (62nd nationally)
8. Auburn (76th nationally)
9. Georgia (86th nationally)
10. Texas A&M (97th nationally)
11. South Carolina (103rd nationally)
12. Mississippi State (113th nationally)
13. Kentucky (144th nationally)
14. Vanderbilt (177th nationally)

Top 15 Mid majors:
1. Gonzaga (1st nationally)
2. St. Louis (12th nationally)
3. Boise State (13th nationally)
4. Colgate (16th nationally)
5. Drake (20th nationally)
6. VCU (31st nationally)
7. Winthrop (39th nationally)
8. Colorado State (40th nationally)
9. San Diego State (41st nationally)
10. BYU (52nd nationally)
11. St. Mary's (53rd nationally)
12. Furman (56th nationally)
13. St. Bonaventure (57th nationally)
14. Loyola (Chicago) (58th nationally)
15. UAB (59th nationally)
 
jontaejones said:
I have to look at it more closely, but I give the committee some credit.

The Big East and ACC were heavily penalized for not getting games OOC in and quite honestly, not winning the games they did play.

Florida State, UVA, Creighton about where they should be. SEC might have gotten a little too much credit.
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It's early and things will change dramatically, but for the most part I think it's okay. I do think the B1G and Big 12 are the two best conferences and these early ratings reflect that. They've also been able to get the most games in as well so I don't think it's a coincidence.
 
ericd7633 said:
It's early and things will change dramatically, but for the most part I think it's okay. I do think the B1G and Big 12 are the two best conferences and these early ratings reflect that. They've also been able to get the most games in as well so I don't think it's a coincidence.
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They're clearly the 2 best conferences overall.

But you may have a case where a hot Duke team is an 8 seed and a hot Duke team is clearly better than that.

But, no other way to do it this year. See what happens...
 
ericd7633 said:
It's early and things will change dramatically, but for the most part I think it's okay. I do think the B1G and Big 12 are the two best conferences and these early ratings reflect that. They've also been able to get the most games in as well so I don't think it's a coincidence.
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It's kind of shocking to see how lowly rated the ACC is right now. I don't think the rankings are wrong but it's still shocking
 
I don’t get it. Someone tell me how Saint Louis is ranked 12th? They beat NC St and LSU, lost to Minnesota. The rest were garbage teams
 
duckboy33 said:
It's kind of shocking to see how lowly rated the ACC is right now. I don't think the rankings are wrong but it's still shocking
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The bottom of the league has taken a bunch of L's in OOC play. Ga Tech for example. Lost to Ga State and Mercer than turns around and beats UNC/Wake in conference. That's not a great look for the league. UNC lost to Iowa/Texas and didn't look great against UNC Central or ND. Uva lost to San Fran, got taken to OT with Kent St, blown out by the Zags. Duke is only 3-2. One of those losses to MSU who's look bad. Not really alot to hang their hat on OOC.
 
One 'key' thing the NCAA has still left unclarified as far as I know...

As it is, the tournament champ of each conference still gets the automatic bid. Will there be any conference tourneys? The NCAA should not force the hand of these mid-major conferences to hold these tournaments. Regular season winners should get the bid. That one is so obvious.

The NCAA get off it's arse and man-up and make these decisions. What the F are they doing?
 
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jontaejones said:
One 'key' thing the NCAA has still left unclarified as far as I know...

As it is, the tournament champ of each conference still gets the automatic bid. Will there be any conference tourneys? The NCAA should not force the hand of these mid-major conferences to hold these tournaments. Regular season winners should get the bid. That one is so obvious.

The NCAA get off it's arse and man-up and make these decisions. What the F are they doing?
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Honestly the NCAA should just let each league decide . If the B10 wants a tourney to try to get more bids but the MAC wants to send their regular season champ then that should be allowed
 
rmilia1 said:
Honestly the NCAA should just let each league decide . If the B10 wants a tourney to try to get more bids but the MAC wants to send their regular season champ then that should be allowed
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I think that's fine too.

Each league has already in a way decided how much they care about the tournament. The Patriot League has decided athletics is low priority so boom ... they get a 16 seed.

But they need to say who gets in, so teams can figure out what they're playing for.

Something else to note, the min to qualify for at large big is 13 games. And NET doesn't seem to penalize you that much for not having played that many games, so long as you've won those you've played.

Some teams may look at OSU football and just not bother making up portions of their schedule.
 
jontaejones said:
One 'key' thing the NCAA has still left unclarified as far as I know...

As it is, the tournament champ of each conference still gets the automatic bid. Will there be any conference tourneys? The NCAA should not force the hand of these mid-major conferences to hold these tournaments. Regular season winners should get the bid. That one is so obvious.

The NCAA get off it's arse and man-up and make these decisions. What the F are they doing?
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As far as I know, the conference tournaments are still happening. At least with the larger leagues. It wouldn't surprise me to see some of the smaller ones canceled(NEC, SWAC, MEAC etc.) But I'm sure the would come at a cost even though, probably minimal in nature.
 
My buddy made an interesting point today when we were discussing this. He thinks all games this year should be looked at as neutral court games when it comes to Quadrant designation ( since there's no fans ). Like why should a home win over #31 be worse than a road win over #63 in a year with no real home court advantage ? I think thats a reasonable debate to have
 
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