HOF Watermark Qualifiers that need to go away

[Cotton Malone]

So far, unless their career has been blemished by PED accusations, 3000 hits or 500 homeruns have been guaranteed watermarks for Hall Of Fame entry.

But, are those watermakrs dated now, as more and more players, through smarter conditioning and nutrition, have prolonged their careers into the late 30s and early 40s? Maybe the compilers wing of the HOF is in jeopardy of getting overrun.
Here is a list of candidates who could get in but otherwise are not HOF caliber players.

The poster boy is Nick Markakis 2388 hits and 36 years old. If he averages 130 hits a year over the next five years, he has 3038 hits. He just has to find a team willing to let him play that much. Might be relatively easy for him the first couple years, but after that....?

Elvis Andrus: 31 years old, 1743 hits. 165 hits per year average through age 35 and 120 hits year from age 36-40. Improbable but doable.

Starlin Castro: 30 years old, 1633 hits. See Andrus above.

Hosmer: 30 years old, 1412. Plays everyday and has a long term contract.

Harper: 27 years old, 232 homeruns. 30 homers a year through age 36 and he is at 500.

 

[Kburjr]

So far, unless their career has been blemished by PED accusations, 3000 hits or 500 homeruns have been guaranteed watermarks for Hall Of Fame entry.

But, are those watermakrs dated now, as more and more players, through smarter conditioning and nutrition, have prolonged their careers into the late 30s and early 40s? Maybe the compilers wing of the HOF is in jeopardy of getting overrun.
Here is a list of candidates who could get in but otherwise are not HOF caliber players.

The poster boy is Nick Markakis 2388 hits and 36 years old. If he averages 130 hits a year over the next five years, he has 3038 hits. He just has to find a team willing to let him play that much. Might be relatively easy for him the first couple years, but after that....?

Elvis Andrus: 31 years old, 1743 hits. 165 hits per year average through age 35 and 120 hits year from age 36-40. Improbable but doable.

Starlin Castro: 30 years old, 1633 hits. See Andrus above.

Hosmer: 30 years old, 1412. Plays everyday and has a long term contract.

Harper: 27 years old, 232 homeruns. 30 homers a year through age 36 and he is at 500.

If Haper hits 30 HRs a year for another 9 years, yeah, he qualifies.

 

[NinerSpartan]

Kaiks isn't getting to 3,000 hits

 

[stakesarehigh]

Kaiks isn't getting to 3,000 hits

He is laughably not a HOF

 

[ChiSoxFan]

He is laughably not a HOF

I assume he'd been sent to the glue factory.

 

[Cotton Malone]

He is laughably not a HOF

Shouldn't be. But, like I said, 3000 hits is a golden ticket. Thats the whole point of this thread.. Those 'golden tickets' need to ge re-evaluated. Also, Markakis has had a better career than HOFer Richie Ashburn.

 

[Cotton Malone]

Kaiks isn't getting to 3,000 hits

I used to say the same thing about Ichiro.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Shouldn't be. But, like I said, 3000 hits is a golden ticket. Thats the whole point of this thread.. Those 'golden tickets' need to ge re-evaluated. Also, Markakis has had a better career than HOFer Richie Ashburn.

Markakis has 34 WAR. Ashburn had 64. Ashburn is one of the weaker HOF outfielders, but this is laughably inaccurate. Ashburn has two batting crowns, led the league in triples twice, and OBP four times. Markakis hasn't led the league in anything, ever. The fuck out of here with that nonsense.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Shouldn't be. But, like I said, 3000 hits is a golden ticket. Thats the whole point of this thread.. Those 'golden tickets' need to ge re-evaluated. Also, Markakis has had a better career than HOFer Richie Ashburn.

Last sentence is horribly misinformed.

 

[Cotton Malone]

Markakis has 34 WAR. Ashburn had 64. Ashburn is one of the weaker HOF outfielders, but this is laughably inaccurate. Ashburn has two batting crowns, led the league in triples twice, and OBP four times. Markakis hasn't led the league in anything, ever. The fuck out of here with that nonsense.

'WAR'. LOL.
Batting titles? OBP? Meh. Their career OPS and OPS+ are pretty even. Those two stats are a better gauge of a player's career value than single-season accomplishments.
"Lead the league in triples twice'. LOL. You know who else lead the league in triples? Evan Gattis.

 

[Cotton Malone]

Last sentence is horribly misinformed.

I disagree. But, regardless, neither have the body of work that you should expect from a HOFer. Ashburn got in because standards were lower then. If Rusty Staub, Bill Buckner, Vada Pinson, Dave Parker, Johnny Damon, and Al Oliver had played in Ashburn's era, they would all be in the HOF too. Either that or Ashburn wouldn't be. Every one of them had a better career than Ashburn. But none of them have a HOF body of work.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

If Haper hits 30 HRs a year for another 9 years, yeah, he qualifies.

Yeah I'm not sure how Harper is like the others on the list anyways. He started very young and has an mvp already.

 

[Guy Incognito]

'WAR'. LOL.
Batting titles? OBP? Meh. Their career OPS and OPS+ are pretty even. Those two stats are a better gauge of a player's career value than single-season accomplishments.
"Lead the league in triples twice'. LOL. You know who else lead the league in triples? Evan Gattis.

Markakis' OPS+ is currently two points lower than Ashburn's. Looking at the last five seasons of Markakis' career, it's likely to dip lower.

Again, you are free to be dismissive of Ashburn belonging in the Hall. But saying something as stupid as "Markakis had a better career than Ashburn" when there's almost no metric that supports that, and your whole point gets lost.

 

[Cotton Malone]

Markakis' OPS+ is currently two points lower than Ashburn's. Looking at the last five seasons of Markakis' career, it's likely to dip lower.

Again, you are free to be dismissive of Ashburn belonging in the Hall. But saying something as stupid as "Markakis had a better career than Ashburn" when there's almost no metric that supports that, and your whole point gets lost.

Markakis has had a better career and he's done so with a less favorable offense around him for most of his career. Old Connie Mack stadium was a launching pad. Easy money for a table setter like Ashburn.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Markakis has had a better career and he's done so with a less favorable offense around him for most of his career. Old Connie Mack stadium was a launching pad. Easy money for a table setter like Ashburn.

 

[huskers1217]

Dale fucking Murphy is a hall of famer. I don't care what anyone says

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Markakis has had a better career and he's done so with a less favorable offense around him for most of his career. Old Connie Mack stadium was a launching pad. Easy money for a table setter like Ashburn.

No.

 

[Rex Racer]

Shouldn't be. But, like I said, 3000 hits is a golden ticket. Thats the whole point of this thread.. Those 'golden tickets' need to ge re-evaluated. Also, Markakis has had a better career than HOFer Richie Ashburn.

MLB long ago turned Cooperstown into the Hall of Very Good.

 

[Cotton Malone]

MLB long ago turned Cooperstown into the Hall of Very Good.

Yep. You've got the dominator's wing where the true HOFers reside (Hornsby, Cobb, Ruth, Aaron Mays, etc) and the compilers wing where the wannabes reside (Ripken, Biggio, Ashburn, Raines, Baines, etc.)

 

[Rex Racer]

Yep. You've got the dominator's wing where the true HOFers reside (Hornsby, Cobb, Ruth, Aaron Mays, etc) and the compilers wing where the wannabes reside (Ripken, Biggio, Ashburn, Raines, Baines, etc.)

Yup, 3,000 hits is impressive, but not so much if it took you 20+ years to do it at 150 hits/yr. Same with HR's, Averaging 30-35 a year for 15+ years is damn good and HOF worthy in most cases, but averaging 20-25 a year for 22 years is just very good, not great.

Either way, the barn door got kicked open a long time ago and there ain't no going back.