Where are we with the CFP after week 12?

Why is the b12 soft, and not the sec this year? Why? Because per usual the AP and coaches overinflated ranks say so?
lmao. “We’re not over ranked… just look at our rankings!” Lol.
who would you rather play:
AUB ARKY KENT, or
OU BAY ISU?

And just to reiterate for that other dunce:
If UGA is already a cfp team, and even losing the CCG doesn’t knock them out… then no need beating lowly GT to ‘become a cfp team.’
So if they’re already a cfp team, then losing to GT shouldn’t matter. They should still be in. THATS how stupid that argument is.
I AM THE ONE saying the games and wins and losses and CCG still matter. That dunce says they don’t.
And when I point out his illogic in his argument, he just says “well, drrrp, ummm, of course a GT loss would matter.”
But it shouldn’t. Not according to his dumbass position and argument.
Qed .
Maybe the Big 12 is soft because Okie State is undefeated in the Big 12 -- this is the same team who beat perennial powerhouse Missouri State by 7, annual CFP contender Tulsa by 5 and if it were 10 years ago, the win over Boise State by 1 wouldn't look too bad -- but this Boise team lost to IAir Force, Central Florida and Mighty Nevada.

The Big 12 has two teams who could compete nationally with the top teams in the SEC. OU -- who looks lost this year, but somehow only has 1 loss and Texas, who is an absolute train wreck for over a decade, so now the top recruits in the state leave and sign with Ohio State, because they want to compete nationally.

As far as the GT game with Georgia -- they won't lose to them, so it doesn't matter. GT is 3-8, lost 5 in a row and sit in last place in one of the weakest division in P5. The game will be over by halftime.

It is priceless to hear any Big 12 fan say anything regarding another conference. The last time the Big 12 won a national title was 21 years ago, now you want people to believe the toughest conference in the country is weaker than the Big 12? I knew Texas fans were delusional, but this is another level.
 
Maybe the Big 12 is soft because Okie State is undefeated in the Big 12 -- this is the same team who beat perennial powerhouse Missouri State by 7, annual CFP contender Tulsa by 5 and if it were 10 years ago, the win over Boise State by 1 wouldn't look too bad -- but this Boise team lost to IAir Force, Central Florida and Mighty Nevada.

The Big 12 has two teams who could compete nationally with the top teams in the SEC. OU -- who looks lost this year, but somehow only has 1 loss and Texas, who is an absolute train wreck for over a decade, so now the top recruits in the state leave and sign with Ohio State, because they want to compete nationally.

As far as the GT game with Georgia -- they won't lose to them, so it doesn't matter. GT is 3-8, lost 5 in a row and sit in last place in one of the weakest division in P5. The game will be over by halftime.

It is priceless to hear any Big 12 fan say anything regarding another conference. The last time the Big 12 won a national title was 21 years ago, now you want people to believe the toughest conference in the country is weaker than the Big 12? I knew Texas fans were delusional, but this is another level.

OSU isn’t undefeated in the B12
 
Why is the b12 soft, and not the sec this year? Why? Because per usual the AP and coaches overinflated ranks say so?
lmao. “We’re not over ranked… just look at our rankings!” Lol.
who would you rather play:
AUB ARKY KENT, or
OU BAY ISU?

And just to reiterate for that other dunce:
If UGA is already a cfp team, and even losing the CCG doesn’t knock them out… then no need beating lowly GT to ‘become a cfp team.’
So if they’re already a cfp team, then losing to GT shouldn’t matter. They should still be in. THATS how stupid that argument is.
I AM THE ONE saying the games and wins and losses and CCG still matter. That dunce says they don’t.
And when I point out his illogic in his argument, he just says “well, drrrp, ummm, of course a GT loss would matter.”
But it shouldn’t. Not according to his dumbass position and argument.
Qed .
Not sure if you referring to me or the other guys here telling you that you that you don't belong in this conversation. UGA is a cfp team and losing to GT might knock them down a few spots, maybe even out. I was making a statement saying that UGA beats GT. I mean Oregon was a cfp team until they weren't. Go back and show us where anyone said that wins and losses don't matter. We said CCG aren't the be all end all. So, if Utah beats say Oregon in the CCG, should Utah be in the playoff.
 
Not sure if you referring to me or the other guys here telling you that you that you don't belong in this conversation. UGA is a cfp team and losing to GT might knock them down a few spots, maybe even out. I mean Oregon was a cfp team until they weren't. Go back and show us where anyone said that wins and losses don't matter. We said CCG aren't the be all end all. So, if Utah beats say Oregon in the CCG, should Utah be in the playoff.
“Loss to Bama shouldn’t put UGA out of cfp” is saying losses don’t matter. Literally the thing we are talking about. Are you lost?
Utah in? Nope.
i said very explicitly that a one loss Poke team should be in over one loss and non champ UGA because UGA’s other wins in NO WAY are so much better that it should have UGA in the cfp above b12 champ pokes. Keep up.
 
“Loss to Bama shouldn’t put UGA out of cfp” is saying losses don’t matter. Literally the thing we are talking about. Are you lost?
Well if losses matter, then Oklahoma State should be out. I am not using rankings here. Oklahoma State lost to a barely above 0.500 Iowa State team. If UGA has a loss to an 11-1 Bama, you think that is the same as Oklahoma State losing to 6-5 Iowa State? If losses matter, then why is anyone gonna be in the playoff except (so far) Georgia, UTSA, and Cincinnati?
 
Well if losses matter, then Oklahoma State should be out. I am not using rankings here. Oklahoma State lost to a barely above 0.500 Iowa State team. If UGA has a loss to an 11-1 Bama, you think that is the same as Oklahoma State losing to 6-5 Iowa State? If losses matter, then why is anyone gonna be in the playoff except (so far) Georgia, UTSA, and Cincinnati?
They do matter. Now you’re getting it.
that loss to ISU is worse than a loss to Bama.
But a p5 championship IMO is better than not having a championship plus the differential in the ISU vs Bama losses plus having to deal with a most likely immediate or eventual rematch.
see that’s an argument.
Having that other dunce stating that UGA is already a cfp team over pokes , except of course if they lose, but also not if they lose, because reasons… that’s silliness.

I will state it again: Pokes b12 champ with loss to ISU and wins over OU and Baylor twice and the rest of the b12 Sched is better than UGA not winning their conf and beating auburn Arky Kentucky etc… then add the outlook of a rematch
 
They do matter. Now you’re getting it.
that loss to ISU is worse than a loss to Bama.
But a p5 championship IMO is better than not having a championship plus the differential in the ISU vs Bama losses plus having to deal with a most likely immediate or eventual rematch.
see that’s an argument.
Having that other dunce stating that UGA is already a cfp team over pokes , except of course if they lose, but also not if they lose, because reasons… that’s silliness.

I will state it again: Pokes b12 champ with loss to ISU and wins over OU and Baylor twice and the rest of the b12 Sched is better than UGA not winning their conf and beating auburn Arky Kentucky etc… then add the outlook of a rematch
Well, I will say that would be a close tough call for the CFP. Okay, sir, now you have me thinking. Bama beats UGA (big if and if it is close), Okie State wins out, Ohio State wins out, Cincinnati wins out. Not sure of order Bama in, UGA in, Pokes in, Ohio State in. Is it right? Not sure. I just don't see the CFP keeping UGA out. I would love to see what I just posted happen. Chaos!
 
Me sitting here knowing that 12-1 Pokes and 12-1 UGA would both get in

:couch2:
 
“Loss to Bama shouldn’t put UGA out of cfp” is saying losses don’t matter. Literally the thing we are talking about. Are you lost?
Utah in? Nope.
i said very explicitly that a one loss Poke team should be in over one loss and non champ UGA because UGA’s other wins in NO WAY are so much better that it should have UGA in the cfp above b12 champ pokes. Keep up.
Did you miss the part where Okie State played not Missouri, but MISSOURI STATE, Tulsa and Boise State in the OOC and they won the 3 games by a total of 13 points combined? If you let Georgia play those 3 teams -- they would most likely have a running clock in the 2nd half.

The Big 12 is a train wreck this year. The fact you are trying to talk them up is humorous.
 
Well if losses matter, then Oklahoma State should be out. I am not using rankings here. Oklahoma State lost to a barely above 0.500 Iowa State team. If UGA has a loss to an 11-1 Bama, you think that is the same as Oklahoma State losing to 6-5 Iowa State? If losses matter, then why is anyone gonna be in the playoff except (so far) Georgia, UTSA, and Cincinnati?

They do matter. Now you’re getting it.
that loss to ISU is worse than a loss to Bama.
But a p5 championship IMO is better than not having a championship plus the differential in the ISU vs Bama losses plus having to deal with a most likely immediate or eventual rematch.
see that’s an argument.
Having that other dunce stating that UGA is already a cfp team over pokes , except of course if they lose, but also not if they lose, because reasons… that’s silliness.

I will state it again: Pokes b12 champ with loss to ISU and wins over OU and Baylor twice and the rest of the b12 Sched is better than UGA not winning their conf and beating auburn Arky Kentucky etc… then add the outlook of a rematch

I am going to type slowly for you ... I know it's long and detailed but you can take a break or a nap and digest it in multiple sessions:

1. Everyone, and I mean everyone other than you has UGA in the CFP, barring a loss to GaTech and Bama. For people with brains, UGA beating Tech was always implicit in the statement that "UGA is already in the CFP." Everyone but you understood that scenario to mean UGA beating Tech and losing to Bama.

2. Find me one single legit sports source that has any mock CFP match-up and UGA isn't in it. The Athletic did one today that I will post for everyone, that showed 10 different possibilities. UGA was in all 10. All of the assume UGA beating Tech, and then obviously either winning or losing the SECCG. I've posted the article in another post in this forum.

3. No one here said losses didn't matter. What we did say was that a loss in a conference championship to the no. 2 team in the land was not going to keep UGA out. What we did say was that UGA's hypothetical loss to Bama in the SECCG would be a way better loss than OSU's loss to a 6-5 (4-4) Iowa State. In that scenario, both teams will have one loss, the only difference being that OSU's loss was a way worse loss.

4. You seem to argue that a loss in a CCG, or a later loss somehow matters more. Fortunately, no one, and I mean no one, agrees with you on that.

5. At that point, per the committees charge (see the section below), they would compare the two teams. UGA would have been no. 1 over half the season, is no. 1 in defense (OSU no. 3, but UGA's numbers are actually way better), and top 5 in offensive efficiency (OSU is around 35th). With the exception of the kick-off classic against likely 9-3 Clemson, we blew everyone out that we played. OSU struggled with teams they should have beaten badly. Teams scored, on average, 24 less points against us than everyone else they played. We shut out 2 teams, and held 7 of the 11 teams we have played to single digits. Unlike your team, I have a lot of respect for OSU, and I hope they run the table and get in. But when the committee compares the two teams, they will will not see them as "comparable teams." We know this because they have had us at no. 1 from the first time they voted, while OSU was 11, 10, and now 9. That shows, based on metrics, eyeball test, etc. that they don't see the two teams as "comparable teams." If they did OSU would be in the top 4. They are not, yet.

6. Why is that important? Because you keep harping on the fact that OSU would be a conference champion in this scenario and UGA would not. The problem is that isn't relevant based on the CFP Committee's Principals. Here is the exact way it is done - this is from their protocol - CFP Selection Committee Protocol:
  • Mission - The committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and then assign the teams to sites.
  • Principals - The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparableteams by considering:
    • Conference championships won,
    • Strength of schedule,
    • Head‐to‐head competition,
    • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
    • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
Note that they don't get to any of the stuff in the second bullet point unless the teams are comparable. If they deem UGA to be the better team than OSU, the CCG won't matter. I believe they will do that. Just like I think if OSU runs the table they will deem them to be better than Cincy, not comparable teams, and none of that will apply and OSU gets in. Or if they do find the comparable teams, they would both be conf champs, but the OSU SOS would win the day v. Cincy.

Keep in mind, you can't disagree with me on this ... this is the protocol. You can dislike the protocol. You can wish it were otherwise. You can deem it unfair. But it is the protocol and based on what the committee has done so far, the two teams aren't considered comparable. Now, you say, they don't do this, do they? Yes. It's exactly what they said they did when PSU won the B1G, but tOSU went to the CFP. The committee stated that they didn't see the two teams as being comparable due to metrics, etc., so they never had to look at the championship. You could argue that they are comparable. I am sure many will if they win out, and UGA loses to Bama. But, there isn't anyone that covers CFB that would support you.

So, good luck with that argument. Nothing and no else supports it.
 
Except they are specifically not a play in. I mean you can read the governing documents and they are clear that conference championships are not elimination games.

I get the SEC hate, but at the end of the day you and everyone else should want the 4 (or 12) best teams to play for the NC. Other than just being tired of it being the same teams, or from SEC hate, why would you not want the 4 best teams playing each other. There are clearly differences in the quality of conferences, so eliminating 1 or more best teams because your conference is better than the rest makes no sense. And before you say the SEC ain't all that, know that with a 12 CFP coming up we will get to test that theory.
It doesnt matter. UGA us going to beat Bama by 17+
 
It doesnt matter. UGA us going to beat Bama by 17+
Your lips to god's ears. When you've been beaten down for 41 years, it's hard to be that no. 1 fan. I need to get off this NC schnide.

I do think we are the better team ... I saw a stat that we played 3 common opponents - UF, Arky, and UTjr. Those 3 teams scored more points on Bama (88), than all 11 teams we played, including those 3, scored on UGA (81). LOL.

It'll be a great game. My son goes to Bama, we will both be there.
 
Your lips to god's ears. When you've been beaten down for 41 years, it's hard to be that no. 1 fan. I need to get off this NC schnide.

I do think we are the better team ... I saw a stat that we played 3 common opponents - UF, Arky, and UTjr. Those 3 teams scored more points on Bama (88), than all 11 teams we played, including those 3, scored on UGA (81). LOL.

It'll be a great game. My son goes to Bama, we will both be there.
I honestly dont think itll be all that close. Only team i can see making a game with UGA is Ohio St and im not even sold on that
 
Since we are playing a little Scenario Village, let's leave the CFP for a while and look at the rest of the New Years 6. Let's say Wisconsin shocks the world and wins out. Wins the the CCG. Does the Big 10 get 3 teams in the NEW years 6?
 
Well, I will say that would be a close tough call for the CFP. Okay, sir, now you have me thinking. Bama beats UGA (big if and if it is close), Okie State wins out, Ohio State wins out, Cincinnati wins out. Not sure of order Bama in, UGA in, Pokes in, Ohio State in. Is it right? Not sure. I just don't see the CFP keeping UGA out. I would love to see what I just posted happen. Chaos!
UTSA obvi
 
If you want to be honest -- OK State has a much softer schedule and the Big 12, as a whole, is down on the year. I can understand wanting to get in over a 2 loss Bama, but Georgia can start booking hotels and travel plans, because they are in the CFP whether they win or lose.

If it's Texas at 8-4 instead of Kansas State then the perception of the conference is far different.

We make don't miss two FG's against Iowa State and we have a very similar resume to Georgia heading into the last week of the season. Ifs and buts and whatnot but would you say the same thing about us?
Maybe the Big 12 is soft because Okie State is undefeated in the Big 12 -- this is the same team who beat perennial powerhouse Missouri State by 7, annual CFP contender Tulsa by 5 and if it were 10 years ago, the win over Boise State by 1 wouldn't look too bad -- but this Boise team lost to IAir Force, Central Florida and Mighty Nevada.

The Big 12 has two teams who could compete nationally with the top teams in the SEC. OU -- who looks lost this year, but somehow only has 1 loss and Texas, who is an absolute train wreck for over a decade, so now the top recruits in the state leave and sign with Ohio State, because they want to compete nationally.

As far as the GT game with Georgia -- they won't lose to them, so it doesn't matter. GT is 3-8, lost 5 in a row and sit in last place in one of the weakest division in P5. The game will be over by halftime.

It is priceless to hear any Big 12 fan say anything regarding another conference. The last time the Big 12 won a national title was 21 years ago, now you want people to believe the toughest conference in the country is weaker than the Big 12? I knew Texas fans were delusional, but this is another level.

Texas would have won with McCoy in 2009 or so but he got knocked out and they had a true freshman backup who didn't do so well. Oklahoma State got fucked in 2011 because the talking heads wanted to see a Bama LSU rematch. Bama was beating the Patriots that game so I'm not totally upset about us finishing the year no. 3 with a BCS bowl win over Andrew Luck's Stanford Cardinals but if it's us vs LSU that game we win the natty.

Also Oklahoma State was decimated by injuries early. Prior to around the Texas game we couldn't run our normal offense. I said it earlier but at WR we were stupid deep to the point where it was a question of who would get enough snaps. We were missing like 5-6 guys there plus our starting QB for Mizzou State and it got worse against Tulsa and Boise. We started getting healthier as the season progressed and right now are down one starter and a key backup lost for the season but otherwise ok. Our no 2 guy is hurt but from where we were circa Boise when we had 5 WR's travel including walk on freshman that is fine. We have a starting center out and that is a problem against a team that has recruited well on the DL but we shouldn't be a 11-1 afterthought.
 
Did you miss the part where Okie State played not Missouri, but MISSOURI STATE, Tulsa and Boise State in the OOC and they won the 3 games by a total of 13 points combined? If you let Georgia play those 3 teams -- they would most likely have a running clock in the 2nd half.

The Big 12 is a train wreck this year. The fact you are trying to talk them up is humorous.
I’m not talking the b12 up. I’m just not an sec sycophant like the rest of the world.
Again: wins vs OU, Baylor twice, and the rest… or Kentucky, auburn, Arky… and the rest.? Stop acting like UGA had the much harder road… heck even just the harder road.
 
I am going to type slowly for you ... I know it's long and detailed but you can take a break or a nap and digest it in multiple sessions:

1. Everyone, and I mean everyone other than you has UGA in the CFP, barring a loss to GaTech and Bama. For people with brains, UGA beating Tech was always implicit in the statement that "UGA is already in the CFP." Everyone but you understood that scenario to mean UGA beating Tech and losing to Bama.

2. Find me one single legit sports source that has any mock CFP match-up and UGA isn't in it. The Athletic did one today that I will post for everyone, that showed 10 different possibilities. UGA was in all 10. All of the assume UGA beating Tech, and then obviously either winning or losing the SECCG. I've posted the article in another post in this forum.

3. No one here said losses didn't matter. What we did say was that a loss in a conference championship to the no. 2 team in the land was not going to keep UGA out. What we did say was that UGA's hypothetical loss to Bama in the SECCG would be a way better loss than OSU's loss to a 6-5 (4-4) Iowa State. In that scenario, both teams will have one loss, the only difference being that OSU's loss was a way worse loss.

4. You seem to argue that a loss in a CCG, or a later loss somehow matters more. Fortunately, no one, and I mean no one, agrees with you on that.

5. At that point, per the committees charge (see the section below), they would compare the two teams. UGA would have been no. 1 over half the season, is no. 1 in defense (OSU no. 3, but UGA's numbers are actually way better), and top 5 in offensive efficiency (OSU is around 35th). With the exception of the kick-off classic against likely 9-3 Clemson, we blew everyone out that we played. OSU struggled with teams they should have beaten badly. Teams scored, on average, 24 less points against us than everyone else they played. We shut out 2 teams, and held 7 of the 11 teams we have played to single digits. Unlike your team, I have a lot of respect for OSU, and I hope they run the table and get in. But when the committee compares the two teams, they will will not see them as "comparable teams." We know this because they have had us at no. 1 from the first time they voted, while OSU was 11, 10, and now 9. That shows, based on metrics, eyeball test, etc. that they don't see the two teams as "comparable teams." If they did OSU would be in the top 4. They are not, yet.

6. Why is that important? Because you keep harping on the fact that OSU would be a conference champion in this scenario and UGA would not. The problem is that isn't relevant based on the CFP Committee's Principals. Here is the exact way it is done - this is from their protocol - CFP Selection Committee Protocol:
  • Mission - The committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and then assign the teams to sites.
  • Principals - The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparableteams by considering:
    • Conference championships won,
    • Strength of schedule,
    • Head‐to‐head competition,
    • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
    • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
Note that they don't get to any of the stuff in the second bullet point unless the teams are comparable. If they deem UGA to be the better team than OSU, the CCG won't matter. I believe they will do that. Just like I think if OSU runs the table they will deem them to be better than Cincy, not comparable teams, and none of that will apply and OSU gets in. Or if they do find the comparable teams, they would both be conf champs, but the OSU SOS would win the day v. Cincy.

Keep in mind, you can't disagree with me on this ... this is the protocol. You can dislike the protocol. You can wish it were otherwise. You can deem it unfair. But it is the protocol and based on what the committee has done so far, the two teams aren't considered comparable. Now, you say, they don't do this, do they? Yes. It's exactly what they said they did when PSU won the B1G, but tOSU went to the CFP. The committee stated that they didn't see the two teams as being comparable due to metrics, etc., so they never had to look at the championship. You could argue that they are comparable. I am sure many will if they win out, and UGA loses to Bama. But, there isn't anyone that covers CFB that would support you.

So, good luck with that argument. Nothing and no else supports it.
1. Appeal masses. Textbook Logical fallacy.
2. Appeal to authority. Textbook logical fallacy.
3. You did say loss didn’t matter. But lets take your breakdown comparing losses: I agree losing to Bama is better than losing to ISU. I never disagreed.
4. Later losses do and should matter. And a loss in the CCG means you’re not a champ. That matters.
5. “I’m going to bring into our debate about which team should be ranked higher …OTHER people’s rankings.” Please tell me you see how invalid and stupid that argument is. As for the rest of this section, they play different schedules… that’s why championships and not setting up rematches matter.
6. “the problem is that conference championships isn’t relevant to the Committees principals.” … “Principals - The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparableteams by considering:
  • Conference championships won,”
 
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