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No it doesn’t defend your argument and actually shreds it but you aren’t smart enough to understand that fact.
Lincoln Riley is a dumbass
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Social media is not limited to a physical location. You are going in circles. This continues to prove my point.
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Well, you're entitled to be wrong...that doesn't mean you should continue to do it though.
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No you are not smart enough to understand my point. As stated, I don't see how USC has better NIL opportunities then Oklahoma right now. Is there some opportunities, MAYBE. However, you need a customer base. The customer base is where College Football fans are at the moment which is primarily the Southeast and B1G country. This is why those leagues have the best TV deals, $$$, etc.
You are totally missing the point. Your entire argument is that USC is a better NIL opportunity than Oklahoma because it is in LA. The fallacies in your argument are the following:
1. Social Media and advertising is not just limited to a single state or city
2. Just because you are in a large metropolitan area, doesn't mean the people in that area are or will be interested in College Football and become consumers of your product
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Last time.
USC is one of the best positioned schools to take advantage of NIL deals. That does not mean other schools will not also have opportunities.
NIL encompasses multiple platforms and multiple opportunities and is not limited to just “gear”.
High profile athletes will get deals regardless of where they play but being a local team in a 19 million strong metro area is going to put that on steroids. If USC gets good again long snappers are going to find deals in LA.
The problem is you can’t wrap your head around this so there really is zero point discussing it with you.
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No my point is NIL deals will be easier to gather in LA than in Norman Oklahoma with everything else being equal. It’s not even debatable.
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Read an article earlier that seemed to sum it up nicely -
It seems to bear out when you see that 1/3 of the top 30 “influencers” in the college sports arena are women and unless you go to that school or have an affiliation, a lot people don’t even realize they are even athletes.
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Meh ... I love LA, love to visit. Cali is a great state to visit. So I am not an anit-Cali person. Yet, I would prefer to live in a small college town over Manhattan Beach (I've been there dozens of times). I love living in a relatively small town in NC right now. To each his own.
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Again, this is another fallacy that was addressed very early in this thread. You are assuming that all 19 million or even a large portion of them will all of a sudden get into CFB.
One of my very first posts pointed out that the Pac12 region has a lot of people and could easily be a force in the tv deal, etc. IF and this is the kicker, IF the people on the West Coast cared about College Football.
This is why a team like Alabama can make far more $$$ than an urban centric school (and another post you dusted over). Being an Auburn fan, I would think you would realize that people in the state of Alabama look at College Football far differently than Los Angeles. Even when USC was great, they still did not have the fan support of larger SEC programs. Sure it is a great market, in fact of the biggest markets in the globe. However, it isn't a great market for college sports.
This is one of the points you are missing. Although Oklahoma is a far smaller state, the University's Football Program has more fan support (i.e. customer base) right now. Licensing is based on products. You don't build a strategy towards licensing product to people that won't buy it.
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Depends on how you define it. If you are just limiting yourself to Norman's market, you are correct.
However, if you are saying nationally would it be harder to market a player that is playing for the Oklahoma Sooners right now versus the USC Trojans, I would argue OU would be easier to license. They have a bigger fanbase and the program generates more revenue overall right now as a result.
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On one hand I agree. But CFB just isn't a big deal in Cali. In LA you are competing against all sorts of pro sports and all the other outdoor activities. USC has shown it can support their team when Carrol was there, but Riley as dynamic as Carrol? There are now rules against actors and such coming onto the field, etc.
Look, he made an easy decision ... he's going to get paid more (net), he goes from having to fight Bama, TAMU, UGA, etc. for recruits, and maintains what he had at OU ... an easy way into the CFP. It will be easier when the expansion goes to 12, although he should have been able to get into the 12 team CFP at OU most years. No shame in that. But now he has to do it ... California isn't the hot bed of football talent it used to be, and players are still going to want to come to the Bamas, UGAs, tOSUs, Clemsons, etc. to get developed. He still has to fight the fact that east coast football is the king, and all the disadvantages of west coast football.
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If you are marketing a Heisman QB it doesn’t matter where you play.
If you are looking for deals for the o-line then it’s going to matter.
If USC gets good these dudes are going to get paid to be in music videos, club promotions and all kind of local stuff.
We aren’t just talking Dr Pepper commercials and crap.
That’s the point you’re missing. High profile guys will get deals they will come to them. Spreading it out will be the challenge and economic issue.
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You have done what I and others have also done and that is point out why he is so wrong .....and yet it just makes him latch on even tighter to his own stupidity. He's a hopeless cause.
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It's hilarious how you think everything is stagnant and nothing ever changes and try to debate from that perspective.
Want to guess where USC ranked in "gear sales" during the Pete Carroll era? You think that if USC starts winning to standard that there won't be a large uptick in gear sales?
Just heard that Lincoln Riley's plane has barely landed and there is supposed to be a big splash in recruiting for USC within the next 48-72 hours or sooner.
But yeah, everything is gonna stay exactly the same. lol
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I don't have time to dive into the entire thread, and I don't agree with the contention that he should have stayed. It makes a ton of sense to jump, especially if what we are hearing he is being paid is true.
But the value of players in the NIL era is not geographically constrained. If there are any constraints, it's the size of the fanbase. Oklahoma has a bigger fanbase than USC. USC is a relatively small private college with an enrollment of 8,000 v. OU with 28,000. That means every 5 years of it's existence, OU has added 100,000 more to its fanbase than USC.
And, as I posted above, it's not like LA is a college football city. It's a pro city with a ton of other distractions - hiking, beach, mountains, national parks, etc. If you've seen the attendance numbers since the early 00s, it's terrible. Is being good good enough to ratchet up excitement? Riley isn't the dynamic coach that Carrol was when it comes to PR, IMO. I can't see him taking over LA/Hollywood and making USC cool again. Maybe he does, but he has a heck of a job in front of him.
Final thing, the population at USC is more heterogenous with only 27% Caucasian students. Asian/Hispanic/International is 57%. Same applies to the general population of LA v. Oklahoma. I am not saying that Asian/Hispanic/International students can't be fans of college football, but I am telling you they aren't the type that are going to be as rabid fans. OU is 58% Caucasian, and they are born to be OU fans.
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It's not that you're making things up, it's that you can't seem to grasp that things will change in a big way. The major networks are already saying that this is huge news and will have a big impact.
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Great hire for you guys. Best you could possibly do. Likely see a Clemsonization of the PAC with USC winning every year and everyone else sucking. But, he better learn to put a D on the field. For all that Riley has done well, he still hasn't won shit. Let's not forget that.
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You are a fallacy dummy!
Those 19 million people living in the same area as USC is equivalent to the total populations of Oklahoma, Tennessee, Alabama and Louisiana combined!
But please moron, continue to argue your point! It's so stupid it's actually laughable.
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I wonder if I can buy an O.J. Simpson USC jersey?
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No... I agree with everything in this POST. The disagreement that I have is whether Riley has an advantages at USC over Oklahoma right now because I think you could get all of the similar marketing at Oklahoma with a Heisman QB as well.