Lincoln Riley is a dumbass

Oregon is building back up under Cristobal, so they likely stay in the hunt. They were quietly building themselves up during the Pete Carroll era, but no one really caught on to it because USC was so big. Then, with USC out of the way, they have done the

Washington could get back in the mix to if they can get the right coach hired.

Agree re: defense. I think he is bringing his DC with him, which may not be such a good thing. He's going to have to have at least a solid defense if he wants to have a real shot at an NC instead of just making the cfp and getting crushed in the first round.

One thing that surprises me about the Pac12 is how good the North is versus the South. The South actually has the most potential when it comes to recruiting bases, etc. Arizona State is one of those programs that always kind of seems to be there but never gets over the hump. Utah tends to have good but not great teams. Colorado is a mess.
 
The difference for USC is they have 19 million they can tap for excitement. It's just a numbers game.
The fact he doesn't get this is unbelievable. Surely he can't be that obtuse!
 
Nope, cuz LA isnt a college football "town"
I hate to even bring up the NIL that could be had if UNLV’s basketball team got their shit together. If they made a final four every casino in town would have these guys doing events.

Dude just does not get it at all.
 
The PAC TV issues have to do with the following:

1. Timezone issues which are huge
2. Rarely more than one team in the mix (when USC is good they drive ratings)
3. Horrendous conference leadership and missed opportunity on the PAC channel

There is a ton of meat on the bone with their deals and they will do better next go around they just need their big dogs to step up and be good again. If Washington, Oregon, and USC are all solid teams their ratings would improve substantially. They also do extremely well with cross-over conference games. Anytime they play SEC or B1G teams the ratings go up so there is interest.

They aren't going to ever beat the SEC or B1G deals but they should have bigger contracts than the ACC (since they are under contract until 2036) or the new Big 12. However, it doesn't matter because the draw of USC is really all that matters for this discussion.

If you go off media marketing centers, ACC should have the best deals with the access to pretty much every city on the East Coast. Nearly every populous state on the East Coast has an ACC School in it.

The thing is, people on here are looking at it too much based on population centers and overall media markets and not necessarily college football media markets. No one has talked about that point despite the fact that I have brought it up in nearly every post in this thread.

Sure, LA has 19 million people but do they have 19 million people that would actually watch and care about college football?

This is why the tv deals, merchandising, etc. favors\value schools in the middle of no where like Oklahoma over USC right now and it is why Oklahoma is higher on this list: The 10 most valuable programs in college football

Whether you guys admit it or not, the links about CFB's most profitable programs are relevant to this argument. It shows the value of the brand and marketing is about Brands and Customers, not about physical locations.

I guess to frame our disagreement differently, does USC truly bring Hollywood and 19 million people even when they are good? My answer is, not really. If USC did bring all of the stuff you guys point out, then yes they would be the true opportunity of the lifetime and rankly they would be valued #1 in all of those CFB program rankings. I don't think USC brings any of the stuff you talk about because I don't think Los Angeles is a big college football city.

Now they do bring a fraction of it but does that fraction that USC brings to the table outweigh Oklahoma's brand and what it brings to the table. That is the real question and in the current reality, my answer would most definitely be no.

I am not sure why I am getting so much hate for bringing that point up. It is a very logical argument but logic seems to not win often on this board (at least with some people).

Does that clear things up @Wild Turkey?

Basically, in my opinion, USC really doesn't bring Hollywood or 19 million fans. It has very high cost of living, high taxes, and is overcrowded. The program also has struggled in recent history and is currently behind programs like Oregon and Notre Dame that they will face on an annual bases.

Compare that to Oklahoma who is a top ten program revenue wise, recruiting wise, and fanbase wise. Oklahoma has been far more relevant in recent history and it is about to step into a league with at least 4-5 marquee matchups a year (not every SEC program will be a marquee matchup). Oklahoma was (until Riley left) in a decent position to at least go 9-3 in its first year in the SEC if not better. It was a far more stable program than USC.

Taking everything listed in last two paragraphs, Riley would have been dumb to leave Oklahoma if his position was actually stable and Oklahoma was willing to fork up at least $ 12 Million a year. My thought is that things between Riley and Oklahoma's administration must have not been very amicable. However, that is all speculation. I am sure our resident Oklahoma fans could do a better job explaining things.
 
I hate to even bring up the NIL that could be had if UNLV’s basketball team got their shit together. If they made a final four every casino in town would have these guys doing events.

Dude just does not get it at all.

Everything you guys are saying is SPECULATION and OPPORTUNITY. Nothing is grounded in fact. If UNLV team was really good, no I don't think every casino would do events for them because the customer base going to the casinos would not give two shits about UNLV. Most of the people frequenting the big Casinos are not even from Las Vegas.
 
I hate to even bring up the NIL that could be had if UNLV’s basketball team got their shit together. If they made a final four every casino in town would have these guys doing events.

Dude just does not get it at all.
Vegas isnt a college sports town anymore.
 
Everything you guys are saying is SPECULATION and OPPORTUNITY. Nothing is grounded in fact. If UNLV team was really good, no I don't think every casino would do events for them because the customer base going to the casinos would not give two shits about UNLV. Most of the people frequenting the big Casinos are not even from Las Vegas.
You are speaking about things you know nothing about. stfu.
 
If you go off media marketing centers, ACC should have the best deals with the access to pretty much every city on the East Coast. Nearly every populous state on the East Coast has an ACC School in it.

The thing is, people on here are looking at it too much based on population centers and overall media markets and not necessarily college football media markets. No one has talked about that point despite the fact that I have brought it up in nearly every post in this thread.

Sure, LA has 19 million people but do they have 19 million people that would actually watch and care about college football?

This is why the tv deals, merchandising, etc. favors\value schools in the middle of no where like Oklahoma over USC right now and it is why Oklahoma is higher on this list: The 10 most valuable programs in college football

Whether you guys admit it or not, the links about CFB's most profitable programs are relevant to this argument. It shows the value of the brand and marketing is about Brands and Customers, not about physical locations.

I guess to frame our disagreement differently, does USC truly bring Hollywood and 19 million people even when they are good? My answer is, not really. If USC did bring all of the stuff you guys point out, then yes they would be the true opportunity of the lifetime and rankly they would be valued #1 in all of those CFB program rankings. I don't think USC brings any of the stuff you talk about because I don't think Los Angeles is a big college football city.

Now they do bring a fraction of it but does that fraction that USC brings to the table outweigh Oklahoma's brand and what it brings to the table. That is the real question and in the current reality, my answer would most definitely be no.

I am not sure why I am getting so much hate for bringing that point up. It is a very logical argument but logic seems to not win often on this board (at least with some people).

Does that clear things up @Wild Turkey?

Basically, in my opinion, USC really doesn't bring Hollywood or 19 million fans. It has very high cost of living, high taxes, and is overcrowded. The program also has struggled in recent history and is currently behind programs like Oregon and Notre Dame that they will face on an annual bases.

Compare that to Oklahoma who is a top ten program revenue wise, recruiting wise, and fanbase wise. Oklahoma has been far more relevant in recent history and it is about to step into a league with at least 4-5 marquee matchups a year (not every SEC program will be a marquee matchup). Oklahoma was (until Riley left) in a decent position to at least go 9-3 in its first year in the SEC if not better. It was a far more stable program than USC.

Taking everything listed in last two paragraphs, Riley would have been dumb to leave Oklahoma if his position was actually stable and Oklahoma was willing to fork up at least $ 12 Million a year. My thought is that things between Riley and Oklahoma's administration must have not been very amicable. However, that is all speculation. I am sure our resident Oklahoma fans could do a better job explaining things.
The ACC deal is grossly undervalued and should never have been signed. It was a panic move to lock teams in for the long-term.

However this has nothing to do with NIL. UNC and Duke being in Raleigh will kill it on the basketball side and that’s what they care about. If they put the resources into football the haul could be massive.

This NIL thing is new so the game has changed. It’s going to be a different world over the next 5 years.
 
Everything you guys are saying is SPECULATION and OPPORTUNITY. Nothing is grounded in fact. If UNLV team was really good, no I don't think every casino would do events for them because the customer base going to the casinos would not give two shits about UNLV. Most of the people frequenting the big Casinos are not even from Las Vegas.
You’re not understanding.
1. If guys get “big,” then they can get “local” opportunities anywhere.
2. Would you want those local opportunities to be in L.A. or BFE?
3. Local NIL opportunities are a non-trivial percentage of total NIL opportunities.

UNDERSTAND?
 
Everything you guys are saying is SPECULATION and OPPORTUNITY. Nothing is grounded in fact. If UNLV team was really good, no I don't think every casino would do events for them because the customer base going to the casinos would not give two shits about UNLV. Most of the people frequenting the big Casinos are not even from Las Vegas.
Its always some asshole that has either never been to Vegas, or has only been to the tourist traps, that knows everything about Vegas.

Dipshit, there are local casinos, HUGE very nice, upscale local casinos. Look up Station Casinos, and thats only one owner, then go stfu about vegas, for the rest of your life.
 
You’re not understanding.
1. If guys get “big,” then they can get “local” opportunities anywhere.
2. Would you want those local opportunities to be in L.A. or BFE?
3. Local NIL opportunities are a non-trivial percentage of total NIL opportunities.

UNDERSTAND?
No he does not.
 
Its always some asshole that has either never been to Vegas, or has only been to the tourist traps, that knows everything about Vegas.

Dipshit, there are local casinos, HUGE very nice, upscale local casinos. Look up Station Casinos, and thats only one owner, then go stfu about vegas, for the rest of your life.

Dude did I piss in your oatmeal or something? What is your problem?
 
Dude did I piss in your oatmeal or something? What is your problem?
You are talking about people speculating, and then you go and speculate. You dont know a single thing about las vegas. stfu.
 
For someone who doesnt know shit, he sure knows everything.
 
Let's just agree to disagree and close out thread.

There is a reason all of the top 10 generating programs are on the East Coast. I think the NIL potential is just as strong at programs like Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, etc. as USC. You guys are limited to one city mentality while I am more focus on size and power of the National Brand and fanbase of programs.

I am tired of talking about this topic. Not worth it.
 
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