So what happens if CFP splits right down the middle?

The question to be answered is "why is attendance falling?" If it's because of competitive imbalance, that might be hard to solve. NIL, free agency and CFP expansion are the only things I can think of as college sports is different from pro sports and you can't legislate parity. You also have to look at other sports where teams like the Patriots, Lakers/Celtics/Bulls/Warriors have dominated over time and it hasn't affected their numbers (or has it?). If it's because we can now watch 50 games in a weekend on HD TVs that's a different issue.

So the question for you and for those leading the sport, what is it that is making it less interesting for you?
Good questions. But, we are all CFB nuts so our perspective may not be like the "average" fan...whatever the hell that is.

One has to be ticket prices. Pricey for the average Joe to take the family to a game. I took the 5 grands to a TCU game the year before COVID and it was high. I also think the length of games is an issue. Similar to what MLB faces.

From what I've read, the NFL is the big dog as far a "draw" both in person and via media. And there really isn't a close 2nd. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. But I don't understand why and I guess I'm in the minority. I'd much rather watch college football, basketball and baseball than I had the NFL, NBA or MLB.
 
On the other hand, you can stop it, go take a leak and come right back to where you left off. I do that sometimes and then just fast forward it during halftime to get back to the live action. Of I skip through the commercials to get caught up.
for my UT games, I'm usually on a group chat through messenger with about 7-10 other die hard CFB fans, and on a discord with a few $9.95ers.. When i was living in an apartment in Houston (Youtube TV) as my house was being built.. I had to wait til halftime to comment.. they spoiled every big play as I was watching :(
 
College baseball is where it's at right now.. not even trying to pump up my #1 Horns either.. I enjoy watching college baseball.. and with NIL, I think more players will give college a shot instead of heading towards the minor leagues out of High School
 
College baseball is where it's at right now.. not even trying to pump up my #1 Horns either.. I enjoy watching college baseball.. and with NIL, I think more players will give college a shot instead of heading towards the minor leagues out of High School
Softball > Baseball
 
Hmmm at the end of this clip they show the sec logo.. Thinking they are going to announce the move for the '23 season

 
College baseball is where it's at right now.. not even trying to pump up my #1 Horns either.. I enjoy watching college baseball.. and with NIL, I think more players will give college a shot instead of heading towards the minor leagues out of High School
Hadn't thought about that for college baseball, but NIL makes a lot of sense there. If you don't go in the first round, the money sucks and life in the minor sucks. College baseball only gives 12 schollies for the whole team that are divided up. NIL would at least give enough money that everyone is getting school, room and meals paid for. You really wouldn't need much more than that to give them a better 3 years than Rookie and Single A ball. The better programs likely provide nutrition and meals that again is way better than what they get in the minors. Weights and training facilities, at least at the top 50 programs, is way better than the minor leagues.
 
Hmmm at the end of this clip they show the sec logo.. Thinking they are going to announce the move for the '23 season


Great video! But stuff like showing that SEC logo at the end of the video which is boldly thrown out there (not just flashed for a second) is what's gonna get you guys royally screwed with bad calls on the road this season. You only have 4 true road games in 2022 (not counting OU in Dallas) and it's going to be a hoot watching the zebras in Lubbock, Stillwater, Manhattan and Lawrence. OU can expect the same shit. OU definitely needs a year to get settled in with a new HC and a new system but we know what to expect going to Ft. Worth, Ames, Morgantown and Lubbock.

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Great video! But stuff like showing that SEC logo at the end of the video which is boldly thrown out there (not just flashed for a second) is what's gonna get you guys royally screwed with bad calls on the road this season. You only have 4 true road games in 2022 (not counting OU in Dallas) and it's going to be a hoot watching the zebras in Lubbock, Stillwater, Manhattan and Lawrence. OU can expect the same shit. OU definitely needs a year to get settled in with a new HC and a new system but we know what to expect going to Ft. Worth, Ames, Morgantown and Lubbock.

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😂 😂 True but fuck those officials and the Big12
 
1. Nothing wrong with the Alliance and it's good for CFB overall and should produce some higher quality games. The SEC (which you soon will be part of has nothing to worry about because we don't need those games for ratings but those other conferences need us for theirs).

I'm lost on your logic that conferences need the SEC for ratings? -- Michigan/Iowa had 1 million more viewers than Bama/Auburn. Michigan/Ohio State had 4 million more viewers than Alabama/Georgia in the SEC championship game. Michigan/Michigan State had 2 million more viewers than Alabama/Florida and 1 million more viewers than Georgia/Clemson. These were all in 2021.

If what you are saying was actually fact -- the SEC would hold every spot in the most watched games of 2021 and it isn't even remotely true. 3 of the top 5 were B1G matchups and 6 of the top 12 had B1G teams involved. UM/OSU was, by far, the most watched game in the regular season -- to put it in perspective -- the Iron Bowl is a huge matchup -- UM/OSU had 6+ million more viewers than Bama/Auburn had.

There is a reason why the B1G has the largest television deal. It isn't because they need another conference to boost ratings.
 
I'm lost on your logic that conferences need the SEC for ratings? -- Michigan/Iowa had 1 million more viewers than Bama/Auburn. Michigan/Ohio State had 4 million more viewers than Alabama/Georgia in the SEC championship game. Michigan/Michigan State had 2 million more viewers than Alabama/Florida and 1 million more viewers than Georgia/Clemson. These were all in 2021.

If what you are saying was actually fact -- the SEC would hold every spot in the most watched games of 2021 and it isn't even remotely true. 3 of the top 5 were B1G matchups and 6 of the top 12 had B1G teams involved. UM/OSU was, by far, the most watched game in the regular season -- to put it in perspective -- the Iron Bowl is a huge matchup -- UM/OSU had 6+ million more viewers than Bama/Auburn had.

There is a reason why the B1G has the largest television deal. It isn't because they need another conference to boost ratings.
They have the largest tv deal because they have the most hours for tv companies to buy up.
 
They have the largest tv deal because they have the most hours for tv companies to buy up.
I'd love to hear this explained? The ACC and SEC have the same number of teams in their conferences.
 
I'm lost on your logic that conferences need the SEC for ratings? -- Michigan/Iowa had 1 million more viewers than Bama/Auburn. Michigan/Ohio State had 4 million more viewers than Alabama/Georgia in the SEC championship game. Michigan/Michigan State had 2 million more viewers than Alabama/Florida and 1 million more viewers than Georgia/Clemson. These were all in 2021.

If what you are saying was actually fact -- the SEC would hold every spot in the most watched games of 2021 and it isn't even remotely true. 3 of the top 5 were B1G matchups and 6 of the top 12 had B1G teams involved. UM/OSU was, by far, the most watched game in the regular season -- to put it in perspective -- the Iron Bowl is a huge matchup -- UM/OSU had 6+ million more viewers than Bama/Auburn had.

There is a reason why the B1G has the largest television deal. It isn't because they need another conference to boost ratings.

They have the largest tv deal because they have the most hours for tv companies to buy up.
From what I understand (feel free to correct me) the networks are willing to increase their payments to conferences just to get those "high viewership games" of +4million that have national appeal. In doing so those crappy viewership games have to tag along. All conferences have some of both type of games to varying degrees. (Big 12 won't have any of the former when Texas and OU leave. SEC's number of those type games will increase after the move.)

Networks will pay out the ass to get chicken salad games like Michigan/OSU and the Iron Bowl. But they are stuck with also having chicken shit games like Illinois/Rutgers they hope Chicago and New York tune into.
 
They have the largest tv deal because they have the most hours for tv companies to buy up.
That’s obviously false. The ACC and the SEC play one less conference game so that one game takes what would be 7 games of air time for the Big10 to 14 games of air time for the ACC and SEC.
 
I'm lost on your logic that conferences need the SEC for ratings? -- Michigan/Iowa had 1 million more viewers than Bama/Auburn. Michigan/Ohio State had 4 million more viewers than Alabama/Georgia in the SEC championship game. Michigan/Michigan State had 2 million more viewers than Alabama/Florida and 1 million more viewers than Georgia/Clemson. These were all in 2021.

If what you are saying was actually fact -- the SEC would hold every spot in the most watched games of 2021 and it isn't even remotely true. 3 of the top 5 were B1G matchups and 6 of the top 12 had B1G teams involved. UM/OSU was, by far, the most watched game in the regular season -- to put it in perspective -- the Iron Bowl is a huge matchup -- UM/OSU had 6+ million more viewers than Bama/Auburn had.

There is a reason why the B1G has the largest television deal. It isn't because they need another conference to boost ratings.
You need to keep reading posts because I've said that the B1G and SEC both can hold their own and no one else can.

This was actually a good year for the B1G because Michigan was relevant otherwise their ratings are typically oriented towards Ohio State.

The truth is the best consistent rating generators right now in CFB according to the top 12 games of 2021are:
- Notre Dame
- Ohio State
- Alabama
- Georgia
- When big teams play big OOC games

Penn State crack the list once because they were playing Auburn
FSU cracked the list once because they were playing ND
Clemson cracked the list once because they were playing UGA
Oregon cracked it once because they were playing OSU

Really the only outlier in the top 12 games was Baylor vs Oklahoma State but it was a conference championship game and didn't have much competition.

The Big 12 and PAC struggle to get games that pull numbers.
The ACC is heavily dependent on ND to generate ratings.

What I said is true.
 
You need to keep reading posts because I've said that the B1G and SEC both can hold their own and no one else can.

This was actually a good year for the B1G because Michigan was relevant otherwise their ratings are typically oriented towards Ohio State.

The truth is the best consistent rating generators right now in CFB according to the top 12 games of 2021are:
- Notre Dame
- Ohio State
- Alabama
- Georgia
- When big teams play big OOC games

Penn State crack the list once because they were playing Auburn
FSU cracked the list once because they were playing ND
Clemson cracked the list once because they were playing UGA
Oregon cracked it once because they were playing OSU

Really the only outlier in the top 12 games was Baylor vs Oklahoma State but it was a conference championship game and didn't have much competition.

The Big 12 and PAC struggle to get games that pull numbers.
The ACC is heavily dependent on ND to generate ratings.

What I said is true.
Actually -- if it were for 2021 -- #1 on the list for ratings generator would be Michigan. They were involved in the 1st, 3rd and 5th most watched games.

Also I just responded to your initial post where you stated "the other conferences need the SEC for those ratings games" if you backtracked and stated the B1G is in the same boat afterward -- I apologize, I didn't read the entire thread.
 
You need to keep reading posts because I've said that the B1G and SEC both can hold their own and no one else can.

This was actually a good year for the B1G because Michigan was relevant otherwise their ratings are typically oriented towards Ohio State.

The truth is the best consistent rating generators right now in CFB according to the top 12 games of 2021are:
- Notre Dame
- Ohio State
- Alabama
- Georgia
- When big teams play big OOC games

Penn State crack the list once because they were playing Auburn
FSU cracked the list once because they were playing ND
Clemson cracked the list once because they were playing UGA
Oregon cracked it once because they were playing OSU

Really the only outlier in the top 12 games was Baylor vs Oklahoma State but it was a conference championship game and didn't have much competition.

The Big 12 and PAC struggle to get games that pull numbers.
The ACC is heavily dependent on ND to generate ratings.

What I said is true.
i agree with the Big 12 and PAC -- PAC will never get ratings because they are playing at crazy times. And while the Big 12 has Texas and OU -- it does't generate as much interest nationally.
 
I'm lost on your logic that conferences need the SEC for ratings? -- Michigan/Iowa had 1 million more viewers than Bama/Auburn. Michigan/Ohio State had 4 million more viewers than Alabama/Georgia in the SEC championship game. Michigan/Michigan State had 2 million more viewers than Alabama/Florida and 1 million more viewers than Georgia/Clemson. These were all in 2021.

If what you are saying was actually fact -- the SEC would hold every spot in the most watched games of 2021 and it isn't even remotely true. 3 of the top 5 were B1G matchups and 6 of the top 12 had B1G teams involved. UM/OSU was, by far, the most watched game in the regular season -- to put it in perspective -- the Iron Bowl is a huge matchup -- UM/OSU had 6+ million more viewers than Bama/Auburn had.

There is a reason why the B1G has the largest television deal. It isn't because they need another conference to boost ratings.
Pretty sure that when he said "other conferences" he was referring to the ACC and PAC part of the Alliance. We all know that the B1G does fine with their TV contract. It's one of the things that makes the Alliance odd ... the B1G doesn't need the other 2, the other 2 need the B1G ... the PAC in particular. The ACC is fucked with a bad contract that goes through 2036 ... what idiots. That's why the PAC wants the B1G to drop a game and play the PAC. The B1G said "no thanks."

As for why the B1G has the largest TV contract for now, it's because they (1) have by far the largest alumni base of all the conferences, and are still good enough in football to have fans interested; and (2) they have been very smart in going with shorter term contracts that they renegotiated more often. There was risk to that, but it worked out great for the B1G.

As to no. 1 above, the B1G has had very large student bodies for 50+ years. The SEC, on the other hand, was relatively small until recently. For example, Vandy only had 2500 undergrads when I was there in 77-81. Even schools like UGA and Bama and UF that are now in the 40,000 range were at 20,000 for decades. It's as simple as the B1G having more than double the eyeballs from alumni. I have no numbers on non-alumni followers, but would imagine the SEC has more just because "it means more" in the south. Think of all the cousin-fucking Alabama fans who can't even read but call into Finebaum every day (I kid, I kid). We are more CFB states than NFL states. Can't back that up with numbers but that seems right, although not enough to make up for the B1G's large alumni base, who also have non-Alumni fans.

As for no. 2 above, The SEC and B1G basically jump each other in contract value the minute that the new contracts are signed. So, the B1G will go ahead of the SEC next year, the SEC will go ahead of the B1G in 2024. What the B1G did right was negotiate in 2012, then 2016, then 2023. The SEC missed out on the 2016 renegotiations. We tried, CBS said nah, we told CBS to go fuck themselves in 2023. Both have gone with multiple partners in the past, but the SEC is going all-in with ESPN on the next contract.

For the SEC they have two major advantages ... (1) they just added TX and OU. That brings huge value to the SEC, not just because of who those teams are, but because of how it affects the inventory of games. And (2) because we are likely going to go to 9 IC games and pods for the 2024 contract, we will have a better inventory of games. I can't understate the value of the move to 9 IC games, and pods where we play each school every 2 years instead of every 6 years. Think about that. You now get OU/TX v. half of Bama, UGA, LSU, UF, Auburn, ATM, UTjr every other year. And, in a 6 year period you get games like UGA/UF/UTjr v. Bama/ATM/LSU every other year instead of every 6 years.

For those interested, here is a great article on 2021 viewership. This shows why the B1G and the SEC get paid like they do.

 
Pretty sure that when he said "other conferences" he was referring to the ACC and PAC part of the Alliance. We all know that the B1G does fine with their TV contract. It's one of the things that makes the Alliance odd ... the B1G doesn't need the other 2, the other 2 need the B1G ... the PAC in particular. The ACC is fucked with a bad contract that goes through 2036 ... what idiots. That's why the PAC wants the B1G to drop a game and play the PAC. The B1G said "no thanks."
He didn't specify and only mentioned the SEC -- that's why I replied with my comment. The B1G will be fine with however it all plays out.

And I had no idea about the ACC's tv contract -- whoever signed that deal needs to be fired immediately. That is brutal.
 
i agree with the Big 12 and PAC -- PAC will never get ratings because they are playing at crazy times. And while the Big 12 has Texas and OU -- it does't generate as much interest nationally.
Big 12 is dead after Texas and OU are gone. Even their championship game will struggle.
 
i agree with the Big 12 and PAC -- PAC will never get ratings because they are playing at crazy times. And while the Big 12 has Texas and OU -- it does't generate as much interest nationally.
this isnt entirely why. and its not that they play at crazy times its that the times are not really any different than the times east coast teams play in relation to the time zone. Kentucky vs Missouri was a 730 local kick time no different than UCLA vs Arizona. it just comes down to the fact that the local time is later relative to not local. Pac fans are more likely to watch games involving their team only vs SEC fans who will more likely watch any game on. also some fans like me will watch SEC games earlier in the day while waiting for the Oregon game. east coast fans are less likely to stay up even for a ranked match up of pac teams.
 
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