Transfer Thread

[ericd7633]

I think I saw a stat on SVP's show that said the MWC was 1-11 in the Tourney the last couple of years. Stop putting these bums in the tournament over bubble power 5 teams.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's something like that for the last 3/4 tournaments. I'm not a proponent of what happens in the tournament should alter what happens the following season, but it has gotten pretty bad. I don't think it'll affect what happens next year though. The MWC should be really good next year.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's something like that for the last 3/4 tournaments. I'm not a proponent of what happens in the tournament should alter what happens the following season, but it has gotten pretty bad. I don't think it'll affect what happens next year though. The MWC should be really good next year.

I'm not when it comes to the major conferences. Where all season long you are stacking yourselves against good teams. Non con and in conference. Anyone who thinks the ACc shoulda randomly had 6/7 teams in cause their two Blue Bloods made a run, is mental.

But the MW? Unless all those teams were routinely picking off front line High majors all of November and December. Please. Boise State beat Temple and Ole Miss for a Non con resume. Then played a bunch of MW teams that didnt make the tourney and 3 more that scored 6/8 and play in seeds????

Its all computer number padding and no substance. Should Big10 teams be allowed to beat each other and get in?? Yes. MW?? LOL.

 

[duckboy33]

I think I saw a stat on SVP's show that said the MWC was 1-11 in the Tourney the last couple of years. Stop putting these bums in the tournament over bubble power 5 teams.

Agreed. It was ridiculous that the MWC got 4 bids when the PAC got 3. MWC is a 1-2 bid league most years

 

[NinerSpartan]

I'm not when it comes to the major conferences. Where all season long you are stacking yourselves against good teams. Non con and in conference. Anyone who thinks the ACc shoulda randomly had 6/7 teams in cause their two Blue Bloods made a run, is mental.

But the MW? Unless all those teams were routinely picking off front line High majors all of November and December. Please. Boise State beat Temple and Ole Miss for a Non con resume. Then played a bunch of MW teams that didnt make the tourney and 3 more that scored 6/8 and play in seeds????

Its all computer number padding and no substance. Should Big10 teams be allowed to beat each other and get in?? Yes. MW?? LOL.

the answer to this question is no. i'll take the #6 team in the MEAC over the Big Ten champion any day of the week

 

[ericd7633]

I'm not when it comes to the major conferences. Where all season long you are stacking yourselves against good teams. Non con and in conference. Anyone who thinks the ACc shoulda randomly had 6/7 teams in cause their two Blue Bloods made a run, is mental.

But the MW? Unless all those teams were routinely picking off front line High majors all of November and December. Please. Boise State beat Temple and Ole Miss for a Non con resume. Then played a bunch of MW teams that didnt make the tourney and 3 more that scored 6/8 and play in seeds????

Its all computer number padding and no substance. Should Big10 teams be allowed to beat each other and get in?? Yes. MW?? LOL.

Boise State, admittedly had a very poor OOC. The rest of the teams that made the tournament all had very good OOC season though. CSU beat Creighton, St Mary's and Miss St. SDSU also beat St Mary's. Losses were to BYU, Michigan and USC. Wyoming went 3-1 against Q1/Q2 OOC. The top 3 definitely deserved to make it. You could argue one way or another about Wyoming. I thought they should have been, and they were in the First Four. The teams that barely missed out(Texas A&M, Dayton, Wake Forest & SMU) all had very poor OOC resumes as well. The A10, ACC and AAC were also very down relative to what they normally are.

 

[ericd7633]

Agreed. It was ridiculous that the MWC got 4 bids when the PAC got 3. MWC is a 1-2 bid league most years

But who from the P12 deserved to get in? If you take a MWC out, you need to have a P12 team to put in. Nobody was honestly that close.

 

[Mr.Hockey]

Boise State, admittedly had a very poor OOC. The rest of the teams that made the tournament all had very good OOC season though. CSU beat Creighton, St Mary's and Miss St. SDSU also beat St Mary's. Losses were to BYU, Michigan and USC. Wyoming went 3-1 against Q1/Q2 OOC. The top 3 definitely deserved to make it. You could argue one way or another about Wyoming. I thought they should have been, and they were in the First Four. The teams that barely missed out(Texas A&M, Dayton, Wake Forest & SMU) all had very poor OOC resumes as well. The A10, ACC and AAC were also very down relative to what they normally are.

I mean cmon lol.

You just mentioned that half the wins were WCC St. Marys. Not gonzaga. St. Marys. Was that St. Marys team solid?? Yeah. Probably woulda finished high up in the BE.

But CSU beating Creighton, St Marys and Missisippi State(lol) is not a sign of a 6 seed.

And CSU isnt even the issue. They were the best resume of the bunch with SDSU. The issue is allowing 4 teams in because the best team beat fucking St goddam Marys out of conference.

Michigan was licking their chops getting a trash 11 seed and seeing CSU. Indiana hated the play in til they saw they were playing Wyoming.

 

[duckboy33]

But who from the P12 deserved to get in? If you take a MWC out, you need to have a P12 team to put in. Nobody was honestly that close.

MWC shouldn’t have been a 4 bid league, no where close. CU and Oregon were better teams than a lot of the MWC teams that made it. But honestly, there were probably better teams than Oregon or CU that missed the tournament that shouldn’t have. Aggy and Wake Forest were easily better teams than Wyoming. I’m not sure Wyoming finishes in the top half in a single power league, same with Boise

 

[ericd7633]

I mean cmon lol.

You just mentioned that half the wins were WCC St. Marys. Not gonzaga. St. Marys. Was that St. Marys team solid?? Yeah. Probably woulda finished high up in the BE.

But CSU beating Creighton, St Marys and Missisippi State(lol) is not a sign of a 6 seed.

And CSU isnt even the issue. They were the best resume of the bunch with SDSU. The issue is allowing 4 teams in because the best team beat fucking St goddam Marys out of conference.

Michigan was licking their chops getting a trash 11 seed and seeing CSU. Indiana hated the play in til they saw they were playing Wyoming.

St Mary's was a top 20 team. It wasn't pretty, lol, but they were a pretty good team. The MWC teams that beat them take a big drop in seeding if they don't beat them.

What should CSU have been? They were 24-5 heading into the tournament. They had 2 games postponed because of Covid(Bama and Tulsa). I only mentioned the Miss St game because it was a Q2 win.

And yeah, Boise and Wyoming were fortunate that CSU and SDSU had good OOC resumes. I mentioned that. It's no different than Rutgers being fortunate that Purdue, Wisconsin, and Michigan State were good OOC so those wins meant more. Obviously just not to the same scale.

 

[ericd7633]

MWC shouldn’t have been a 4 bid league, no where close. CU and Oregon were better teams than a lot of the MWC teams that made it. But honestly, there were probably better teams than Oregon or CU that missed the tournament that shouldn’t have. Aggy and Wake Forest were easily better teams than Wyoming. I’m not sure Wyoming finishes in the top half in a single power league, same with Boise

Colorado and Oregon were pretty mediocre all year. Neither did anything OOC, and while Oregon had good wins in P12 play, they also took on some awful losses. I would have been okay with A&M getting in. Wake Forest just didn't have the resume. And their computer metrics weren't all that great either. Wyoming and Boise would have finished in the top half of the P12 IMO. Washington State, Washington and Oregon all finished tied for 5th in the P12. Boise won on a neutral against Washington State, Wyoming won at Washington. Obviously that isn't the end all be all, but it is something. My guess is that they finish with about the same record or maybe a game or two better than those 3 teams. He'll Colorado finished 4, they'd probably finish ahead of them too.

 

[NinerSpartan]

find somebody that will blow you the same way @ericd7633 blows mid major teams

 

[duckboy33]

Colorado and Oregon were pretty mediocre all year. Neither did anything OOC, and while Oregon had good wins in P12 play, they also took on some awful losses. I would have been okay with A&M getting in. Wake Forest just didn't have the resume. And their computer metrics weren't all that great either. Wyoming and Boise would have finished in the top half of the P12 IMO. Washington State, Washington and Oregon all finished tied for 5th in the P12. Boise won on a neutral against Washington State, Wyoming won at Washington. Obviously that isn't the end all be all, but it is something. My guess is that they finish with about the same record or maybe a game or two better than those 3 teams. He'll Colorado finished 4, they'd probably finish ahead of them too.

We disagree. I don’t think those teams finish in the top half of the PAC. Wyoming also lost to Stanford and got blown out by Arizona (30 point loss, IIRC). There’s a reason PAC 12 teams that get in the tournament can win games and MWC teams can’t

 

[duckboy33]

find somebody that will blow you the same way @ericd7633 blows mid major teams

It’s amazing the PAC can be totally dismissed but the MWC can be propped up because Wyoming went 1-2 vs the PAC (with the one win in OT against Washington).

And then you have to look at the bottom of the MWC, which is absolutely garbage and where most of these teams pad their win totals.

It simply comes down to players. The P6 leagues have much better players top to bottom than these other leagues do. These teams records are inflated because of inferior competition, regardless of what one or two data points in November lead you to believe. Again, there’s a reason these teams continue to fall flat when they get in the NCAAs

 

[NinerSpartan]

It’s amazing the PAC can be totally dismissed but the MWC can be propped up because Wyoming went 1-2 vs the PAC (with the one win in OT against Washington)

Wyoming had 2 good wins and 3 bad losses. It is fucking bullshit that they received a bid.

two Americas

one for P6 teams
one for mid major trash

The committee made it clear to power conference teams: Losses to bad teams don't matter as long as you wins 5+ games against good competition. The committee also made it clear that mid majors won't be graded by the same standard. Just win games and you're in.

god, if Billy Packer was paying closer attention to present day college basketball he'd have a heart attack

 

[Mr.Hockey]

St Mary's was a top 20 team. It wasn't pretty, lol, but they were a pretty good team. The MWC teams that beat them take a big drop in seeding if they don't beat them.

What should CSU have been? They were 24-5 heading into the tournament. They had 2 games postponed because of Covid(Bama and Tulsa). I only mentioned the Miss St game because it was a Q2 win.

And yeah, Boise and Wyoming were fortunate that CSU and SDSU had good OOC resumes. I mentioned that. It's no different than Rutgers being fortunate that Purdue, Wisconsin, and Michigan State were good OOC so those wins meant more. Obviously just not to the same scale.

Colorado State should have been like 9. SDSU the same. The other two not in.

The goddamn Gophers could routinely win 20 games if they are playing Fresno State a couple times a year.

And it is a lot different than for Rutgers. Because Rutgers went out a continually beat really good teams who also had really good out of league wins.

In that scenario Rutgers has beaten more teams than just CSU and SDSU. And all those teams are better than CSU/SDSU and had better out of league wins.

There was a lot to show us that Rutgers could potentially hang with high major teams in the tournament. There was really nothing that showed us the MW could.

 

[ericd7633]

We disagree. I don’t think those teams finish in the top half of the PAC. Wyoming also lost to Stanford and got blown out by Arizona (30 point loss, IIRC). There’s a reason PAC 12 teams that get in the tournament can win games and MWC teams can’t

The P12 wasn't good this year though after the top 3 teams. And it's not like the P12 had a good tournament this year either, two teams underperformed, and one performed according to seed line. MWC had a bad tournament, no doubt, but all the teams should have made it, IMO. When CU and Oregon finish 4/5 in a P5/6 conference, the depth of the league isn't good. Heck the MWC had a better winning % in OOC play than the P12 did this year. Which is saying something because the bottom of the MWC is gross. Lol.

 

[ericd7633]

Colorado State should have been like 9. SDSU the same. The other two not in.

The goddamn Gophers could routinely win 20 games if they are playing Fresno State a couple times a year.

And it is a lot different than for Rutgers. Because Rutgers went out a continually beat really good teams who also had really good out of league wins.

In that scenario Rutgers has beaten more teams than just CSU and SDSU. And all those teams are better than CSU/SDSU and had better out of league wins.

There was a lot to show us that Rutgers could potentially hang with high major teams in the tournament. There was really nothing that showed us the MW could.

So you would have put Dayton and A&M in instead, or which two teams, if you take those two out?

I just don't think there's any justification for leaving out a team that was 20-6 against the first three quads. That's really good. On top of winning the league title and tournament title like Boise State was.

Like I said, Wyoming is debatable. I would have had them in. Are they more talented than teams like Oregon, Wake Forest, Texas A&M, no I don't think so, but those teams all had warts on their resumes as well.

Yeah, I think the Gophers could have won 20 games in the MWC with this year's roster, but that isn't sniffing the tournament though.

 

[NinerSpartan]

pretty surprised that the Wake freshman that didn't get PT (Robert McCray and Lucas Taylor) this year haven't entered the portal. I'm happy w/ McCray, b/c he looks like he can be a good ACC player, he was just stuck behind the ACC POY and other older guys in the rotation.

I think Lucas Taylor would be a good SoCon player.

 

[douggie]

 

[duckboy33]

Wyoming had 2 good wins and 3 bad losses. It is fucking bullshit that they received a bid.

two Americas

one for P6 teams
one for mid major trash

The committee made it clear to power conference teams: Losses to bad teams don't matter as long as you wins 5+ games against good competition. The committee also made it clear that mid majors won't be graded by the same standard. Just win games and you're in.

god, if Billy Packer was paying closer attention to present day college basketball he'd have a heart attack

We do hold mid majors to a much lower standard when it comes to quality wins