Another Woodstock '99 Documentary

RememberTheKoy said:
Does the HBO one also blame white men and Korn for getting the crowd ramped up and putting Busch in a hard spot to follow up?
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i felt both were more critical of limp bizkit, while also acknowledging it wasn't their fault. HBO focused more on the sexual assaults. the Netflix felt like I was rewatching the HBO one, but padded out and I kind of lost interest, so couldn't say.

they both set it up to my memory like RHCP went rogue, but they were talking on the sexual assault stuff, near the end of the set is when the fires started happening and from their when they asked them to say something else, well..

 
Bender said:
i felt both were more critical of limp bizkit, while also acknowledging it wasn't their fault. HBO focused more on the sexual assaults. the Netflix felt like I was rewatching the HBO one, but padded out and I kind of lost interest, so couldn't say.

they both set it up to my memory like RHCP went rogue, but they were talking on the sexual assault stuff, near the end of the set is when the fires started happening and from their when they asked them to say something else, well..

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All I know is that Scher guy comes off like a total asshole. “Sure in a city of about 250,000 people you’d expect 3-4 rapes”. JFC

Also the one guy telling him he couldn’t hand out 100,000 candles to an unruly crowd and then telling him to shut up and get off the radio.
 
Bender said:
i felt both were more critical of limp bizkit, while also acknowledging it wasn't their fault. HBO focused more on the sexual assaults. the Netflix felt like I was rewatching the HBO one, but padded out and I kind of lost interest, so couldn't say.

they both set it up to my memory like RHCP went rogue, but they were talking on the sexual assault stuff, near the end of the set is when the fires started happening and from their when they asked them to say something else, well..

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This is my recollection from the HBO one….heavy in “mysogyny bad”. We know.

And they laid the riot square at Fred Dursts feet even more than Limp Bizkit as a whole. They tickled that Korn got the band amped up and Fred cut down and lit the fuse.

It wasn’t that simple. Location choice and ABSOLUTELY a disgusting lack of support with facilities, amenities and (most importantly) free access to water did 10,000 times more than any band or singer could do.
 
White Knight said:
It was a whites only event?
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I mean….footage of the rioting and damage was predominantly light skinned humans with penis’.

What I recall is there was a lot of talk of just how angry white males were at that time. Like anything in life it wasn’t an absolute, but a strong majority.

It was talked a lot about how it was puzzling at the time and still odd that white males at this time were so mad. And you can’t have that conversation anymore without the implication of white privilege, though I can’t remember it being explicitly said.

There were many acts that festival from hip hop IIRC, but the lineup of the concert that last night would have been geared much more to white males anyway. Not an absolute, but the crowd was pretty white overall.

And angry. And fed up.
 
Grrrrr this new KORN album has really got me thinkin' about being angry....Grrrrrr....I'm going to rage against the machine....Grrrrr
 
Interestingly this popped up at me tonight…..

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22 Woodstock '99 Stories From The People Who Actually Attended The Chaotic Music Festival

With a combination of price gouging, an awful venue, heat, and an overall horrible vibe, Woodstock ’99 has gone down as one of the most chaotic music festivals in history. We've rounded up some shocking firsthand accounts from people who actually attended the festival. Check them out and vote up...
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Stories telling clearly what a fucked mess this was.
 
Woodstock was the cheesiest, most unorganized event in the history of mankind.
Little Food
Little Sanitation
Rained all the time
No name bands at the time
And acts couldn't even get there to perform

It's a glorified disaster that somehow got entangled in folk lore.

But hey, it had a movie made about it.
 
outofyourmind said:
Woodstock was the cheesiest, most unorganized event in the history of mankind.
Little Food
Little Sanitation
Rained all the time
No name bands at the time
And acts couldn't even get there to perform

It's a glorified disaster that somehow got entangled in folk lore.

But hey, it had a movie made about it.
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According to some folks it was the greatest rock concert ever.
 
outofyourmind said:
Nope
Just observed from a distance.

It's been glamorized for something it wasn't.

And still to this day, from people who were never there or saw it going on.
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My uncle attended Woodstock and he'd agree with you.
 
outofyourmind said:
Nope
Just observed from a distance.

It's been glamorized for something it wasn't.

And still to this day, from people who were never there or saw it going on.
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Luckily for that folk lore 30 years later a (literally) bigger shit show came along.
 
White Knight said:
My uncle attended Woodstock and he'd agree with you.
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I Dont Believe You Will Ferrell GIF
 
Ok, I need to mea culpa.

I broke down and watched the Netflix doc on this event. I resisted because I already watched the HBO one, and felt it was the definitive doc on Woodstock 99.

With respect to possible recency bias I am changing “definitive Woodstock 99 doc” to the Netflix one. It was just vastly superior across the board and shared so much more.

There are so many things at play with how this event went that it could be endlessly debated until the end of time. For me, I started thinking about it while watching this….root cause. When there is a plane accident or some other catastrophe it is recognized that there can be many factors to a catastrophe, but the root cause is at the base.

Simply, I think there were societal issues that came to a head. You have some guys at the lead of this effort that pulled off Woodstock 69. Only, in the intervening years they were part of a generation that swung fully to greed. They absolutely had a plan to fleece as much money as possible, fattest bottom line you could get.

Then you have a younger generation that was raised under the consumption and greed, and were rejecting it….even maddened by it (just listen to the music of that generation vs 69).

There were many factors, but the root of it all was the utterly shoddy handling of this festival, including all of the woeful infrastructure issues they allowed to happen.

200,000 people at $150 a pop is $30M. I’m not in the know but wouldn’t be surprised if facility support and infrastructure spend was well under $500k. Well under.

It’s a fine line to walk because I don’t want to condone rioting. But come on…..getting ass raped financially at every turn, no decent bathroom of shower facilities almost immediately, intense heat and being on a tarmac of a very institutional looking former military base…..get 200k kids together and treat them that way……

……then hand out 100k candles on the last night. I don’t even remember hearing of this on the HBO doc. Seriously?
 
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