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How incredibly epically great would those Florida teams would have been if they had a real QB instead of a guy that just ran four yards into linebackers, Tebow?
 
?? Didn't Tebow hold the passing record in a bowl game until the last season or two?

What a dumb thread. Did a Gator just kick your ass in the parking lot, again?

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College =/= Pro

Tebow's style worked very well in College. Florida would NOT have been as good without him.

He really wasn't that bad in Pro if they had patience with him. However, Pro Football has no imagination and every team runs the same offense pretty much. You cannot run pro-style offense with Tim Tebow (or Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton, Vince Young, Marcus Mariota, etc.)
 
Florida is a dookie program with a dookie fanbase. Hope they get poached by the B1G, they’d be a better fit there
 
ELTEXAN said:
How incredibly epically great would those Florida teams would have been if they had a real QB instead of a guy that just ran four yards into linebackers, Tebow?
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The year he won his Heisman they would have been straight bad without him. Dude was a monster and put that team on his back?
 
Volbound1700 said:
College =/= Pro

Tebow's style worked very well in College. Florida would NOT have been as good without him.

He really wasn't that bad in Pro if they had patience with him. However, Pro Football has no imagination and every team runs the same offense pretty much. You cannot run pro-style offense with Tim Tebow (or Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton, Vince Young, Marcus Mariota, etc.)
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Did you really just say pro football has no imagination? Those QBs don't fail in the pros bc of the offense style, they fail in the pros bc the defenders are all really damn good. There are always weak links a coach can exploit at the college level. The weak link in the NFL was probably an All American at the college level
 
Florida good. Fire bad.

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Volbound1700 said:
College =/= Pro

Tebow's style worked very well in College. Florida would NOT have been as good without him.

He really wasn't that bad in Pro if they had patience with him. However, Pro Football has no imagination and every team runs the same offense pretty much. You cannot run pro-style offense with Tim Tebow (or Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton, Vince Young, Marcus Mariota, etc.)
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falcons tell you to fuck off
 
fishinabarrel said:
Did you really just say pro football has no imagination? Those QBs don't fail in the pros bc of the offense style, they fail in the pros bc the defenders are all really damn good. There are always weak links a coach can exploit at the college level. The weak link in the NFL was probably an All American at the college level
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College has multiple type of offense:

1. Spread
2. Fun and Gun
3. Option
4. Pro Style
5. Smash Mouth

etc.

I have NEVER seen that in the Pros.
 
Volbound1700 said:
College has multiple type of offense:

1. Spread
2. Fun and Gun
3. Option
4. Pro Style
5. Smash Mouth

etc.

I have NEVER seen that in the Pros.
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College offenses work because a system can trump talent because there aren't 2,200 top tier defensive athletes in the college ranks.

There are 600 top-tier defensive talents in the NFL, and they don't graduate. They're only replaced when someone better comes along.

Tebow stunk at the NFL level because he couldn't punk defensive ends or outrun defensive tackles. Denver tried like hell to make him a viable QB, and it cost Josh McDaniels his job.
 
Guy Incognito said:
College offenses work because a system can trump talent because there aren't 2,200 top tier defensive athletes in the college ranks.

There are 600 top-tier defensive talents in the NFL, and they don't graduate. They're only replaced when someone better comes along.

Tebow stunk at the NFL level because he couldn't punk defensive ends or outrun defensive tackles. Denver tried like hell to make him a viable QB, and it cost Josh McDaniels his job.
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I see your point and you could be 100% correct but there has never been a test situation to verify that.

If you are a 2-14 team, I don't see the harm in trying something different.

This is one reason that I find college to be an overall more interesting and intriguing product. I will say that College Football is taking a hit right now due to how dominate the SEC and Alabama/Georgia stranglehold has been. It was a better product when it was more evenly dispersed across the nation (when I first starting watching it in the mid-1990s). This is coming from an SEC homer as well.

For example, although I like A&M and Missouri being in SEC and I find games against OU and Texas to be attractive, I really hate that the original Big12 broke up because it has pushed CFB more and more towards a B1G/SEC stranglehold (and really more of an SEC stranglehold).
 
Volbound1700 said:
I see your point and you could be 100% correct but there has never been a test situation to verify that.

If you are a 2-14 team, I don't see the harm in trying something different.

This is one reason that I find college to be an overall more interesting and intriguing product. I will say that College Football is taking a hit right now due to how dominate the SEC and Alabama/Georgia stranglehold has been. It was a better product when it was more evenly dispersed across the nation (when I first starting watching it in the mid-1990s). This is coming from an SEC homer as well.

For example, although I like A&M and Missouri being in SEC and I find games against OU and Texas to be attractive, I really hate that the original Big12 broke up because it has pushed CFB more and more towards a B1G/SEC stranglehold (and really more of an SEC stranglehold).
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Chip Kelly is your test case. His gimmicks had success for about a year and a half, and then he got run out of the league because he emphasized his system over talent.

There are different wrinkles that NFL teams can do based on certain guys' talents, and there are different play designs/systems, but NFL teams can't get by on just running the same 8 plays.
 
Volbound1700 said:
College has multiple type of offense:

1. Spread
2. Fun and Gun
3. Option
4. Pro Style
5. Smash Mouth

etc.

I have NEVER seen that in the Pros.
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4 of those 5 work at a level where you play against at best 5-6 guys who will be good enough to play on Sunday, but not on actual Sundays.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Chip Kelly is your test case. His gimmicks had success for about a year and a half, and then he got run out of the league because he emphasized his system over talent.

There are different wrinkles that NFL teams can do based on certain guys' talents, and there are different play designs/systems, but NFL teams can't get by on just running the same 8 plays.
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Heck the same 8 plays doesn't always work in college either.

I can see your point. I haven't seen a heavy try at it though. I do think if you plan to have a mobile QB, you actually need two QBs. A Tim Tebow/Vince Young combo would have been interesting to see.

Tim Tebow wasn't even the best runner anyways, he just had physical strength. He probably should have switched to TE. He would still likely be playing in the NFL had he made that switch early.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Denver tried like hell to make him a viable QB
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The fuck they did. Once Tebow stepped in for that ND meathead, he nearly led a comeback if it wasn’t for a dropped pass. Their fans basically forced horse face to start him.

but not before trading away their top WR. It was clear as day the plan was to tank the team and find a QB. But Tebow had other plans, and won anyway.
 
Gatorchip said:
The fuck they did. Once Tebow stepped in for that ND meathead, he nearly led a comeback if it wasn’t for a dropped pass. Their fans basically forced horse face to start him.

but not before trading away their top WR. It was clear as day the plan was to tank the team and find a QB. But Tebow had other plans, and won anyway.
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Tebow's time in Denver is pretty underrated IMO. That team was like 1-5 when he became the starter. They made the playoffs and knocked off the Steelers. I mean, at that time if you can land Peyton Manning, you get Peyton Manning, but I think Tebow could have won a SB in Denver the same year Manning did. That Denver SB team had an all time great defense and Peyton Manning was done, just along for the ride at that point.
 
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