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A few highlights:

One reason why the B1G may not go further in the PAC:

"Maybe the reason Washington and Oregon didn't go with USC and UCLA [to the Big Ten] at the same time is the fear of collusion," the now-retired Benson told CBS Sports. "That's a legitimate concern of the damages that one conference does to another."


The stakes are higher this time. The SEC and Big Ten have a chance to monopolize the sport. Perhaps that has already happened. Administrators within both leagues are treading lightly out of an awareness of antitrust issues. Well, sometimes. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey has said he could stage a playoff with his own league.

"[No one has] ever gone in and gutted a conference," Benson added. "If the Big Ten gutted a conference and took Washington and Oregon, [if I was Pac-12 commissioner] George Kliavkoff, I might pursue antitrust action there."

Industry sources indicating B1G is done unless it's ND, and that seems to be waning:

After the anxiety caused last week regarding further Big Ten expansion, industry sources have indicated the Big Ten is no longer as interested in adding California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington. Rightsholders were balking at paying the same amount for those schools as the 16 Big Ten schools going forward ($80 million-$100 million).


While those four programs may eventually have options, the Big Ten is concentrating on its new deal in 2023 while trying to lure Notre Dame, which has an open invitation. More and more stakeholders now believe the Fighting Irish will ultimately stay independent.

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How exactly can a conference extending an invite to a university and that university making the choice to accept it be grounds for an antitrust lawsuit?
 
ralphiewvu said:
How exactly can a conference extending an invite to a university and that university making the choice to accept it be grounds for an antitrust lawsuit?
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Kind of what I was thinking. They'd have to trash the remaining, and or other joining members, in order to make that argument. "But all we have left is Arizona and Arizona sucks!"
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Kind of what I was thinking. They'd have to trash the remaining, and or other joining members, in order to make that argument. "But all we have left is Arizona and Arizona sucks!"
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Yeah, plus there seems to be choices. The B12 would take Oregon And Washington in a heartbeat. They can also choose to remain in the PAC. I’m still not seeing how this limit’s competition although I’m sure an argument would be made that staying In the PAC or joining the B12 wont be lucrative enough like joining the B1G or even making what they are making now. But is that really an antitrust situation?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
A few highlights:

One reason why the B1G may not go further in the PAC:

"Maybe the reason Washington and Oregon didn't go with USC and UCLA [to the Big Ten] at the same time is the fear of collusion," the now-retired Benson told CBS Sports. "That's a legitimate concern of the damages that one conference does to another."


The stakes are higher this time. The SEC and Big Ten have a chance to monopolize the sport. Perhaps that has already happened. Administrators within both leagues are treading lightly out of an awareness of antitrust issues. Well, sometimes. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey has said he could stage a playoff with his own league.

"[No one has] ever gone in and gutted a conference," Benson added. "If the Big Ten gutted a conference and took Washington and Oregon, [if I was Pac-12 commissioner] George Kliavkoff, I might pursue antitrust action there."

Industry sources indicating B1G is done unless it's ND, and that seems to be waning:

After the anxiety caused last week regarding further Big Ten expansion, industry sources have indicated the Big Ten is no longer as interested in adding California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington. Rightsholders were balking at paying the same amount for those schools as the 16 Big Ten schools going forward ($80 million-$100 million).


While those four programs may eventually have options, the Big Ten is concentrating on its new deal in 2023 while trying to lure Notre Dame, which has an open invitation. More and more stakeholders now believe the Fighting Irish will ultimately stay independent.

www.cbssports.com

College football rankings 2022: Alabama near-unanimous No. 1 over Ohio State in Preseason CBS Sports 131

The Crimson Tide start at the top spot ahead of the 2022 season after finishing runner-up to the Bulldogs
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Those two may monopolize the money and media viewing, but I don't see them monopolizing "the sport". The Ivy League and Division 3, etc are still going to play even if the B1G and SEC take all the money.
 
Chris Dodd went from "Big Ten doesn't want Oregon and Washington" to "Big Ten is targeting Oregon, Washington, Stanford and California" to "The Big Ten wants those schools but can't look like they're violating anti-trust rules"

I guess he's covering all of his bases so he can say "I called it"
 
Notre Dame is going to stay independent. They love being the prima donna of college football and they have not failed to remain on that precious little pedestal in spite of having some pretty sorry football teams over the past 20 years. We're just spinning our wheels talking about how the Irish will be forced to join the B1G for financial reasons (there will always be someone willing to pay them a helluva lot of money to televise their games) or to avoid being left out of the playoff. If Notre Dame has a good enough team to make the playoff you can bet they will be in it. The money left on the table from leaving them out is just too much and the world of college football would ridicule an attempt like that. Maybe they will continue their loose alliance with the ACC or maybe they won't. But join a conference and become just another team in a conference? Nope. They love being an independent and that's just a fact we'll all have to live with for a long, long time whether we like it or not.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
A few highlights:

One reason why the B1G may not go further in the PAC:

"Maybe the reason Washington and Oregon didn't go with USC and UCLA [to the Big Ten] at the same time is the fear of collusion," the now-retired Benson told CBS Sports. "That's a legitimate concern of the damages that one conference does to another."


The stakes are higher this time. The SEC and Big Ten have a chance to monopolize the sport. Perhaps that has already happened. Administrators within both leagues are treading lightly out of an awareness of antitrust issues. Well, sometimes. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey has said he could stage a playoff with his own league.

"[No one has] ever gone in and gutted a conference," Benson added. "If the Big Ten gutted a conference and took Washington and Oregon, [if I was Pac-12 commissioner] George Kliavkoff, I might pursue antitrust action there."

Industry sources indicating B1G is done unless it's ND, and that seems to be waning:

After the anxiety caused last week regarding further Big Ten expansion, industry sources have indicated the Big Ten is no longer as interested in adding California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington. Rightsholders were balking at paying the same amount for those schools as the 16 Big Ten schools going forward ($80 million-$100 million).


While those four programs may eventually have options, the Big Ten is concentrating on its new deal in 2023 while trying to lure Notre Dame, which has an open invitation. More and more stakeholders now believe the Fighting Irish will ultimately stay independent.

www.cbssports.com

College football rankings 2022: Alabama near-unanimous No. 1 over Ohio State in Preseason CBS Sports 131

The Crimson Tide start at the top spot ahead of the 2022 season after finishing runner-up to the Bulldogs
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Hadn’t seen that term collusion for awhile, since the ACC raided the BigEast IIRC. BigEast was rattling their saber too with that term but in the end they got got.
 
duckboy33 said:
Chris Dodd went from "Big Ten doesn't want Oregon and Washington" to "Big Ten is targeting Oregon, Washington, Stanford and California" to "The Big Ten wants those schools but can't look like they're violating anti-trust rules"

I guess he's covering all of his bases so he can say "I called it"
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Or he is reporting what he his hearing from his sources because that is his job?

I know this is not good for you, but stop with the conspiracy nonsense. He’s just a reporter doing his job. He could be right, he could be wrong. But it’s not like he doesn’t like Oregon, or he’s a big 10 fan or something like that.
 
Goldbug said:
Notre Dame is going to stay independent. They love being the prima donna of college football and they have not failed to remain on that precious little pedestal in spite of having some pretty sorry football teams over the past 20 years. We're just spinning our wheels talking about how the Irish will be forced to join the B1G for financial reasons (there will always be someone willing to pay them a helluva lot of money to televise their games) or to avoid being left out of the playoff. If Notre Dame has a good enough team to make the playoff you can bet they will be in it. The money left on the table from leaving them out is just too much and the world of college football would ridicule an attempt like that. Maybe they will continue their loose alliance with the ACC or maybe they won't. But join a conference and become just another team in a conference? Nope. They love being an independent and that's just a fact we'll all have to live with for a long, long time whether we like it or not.
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Good for ND, if you can do it, then do it. It's not like the BiG or SEC will turn their backs to them.. They eventually will be forced to make a move to one of the two conferences.. be interesting to see who actually ends up with them
 
Goldbug said:
Notre Dame is going to stay independent. They love being the prima donna of college football and they have not failed to remain on that precious little pedestal in spite of having some pretty sorry football teams over the past 20 years. We're just spinning our wheels talking about how the Irish will be forced to join the B1G for financial reasons (there will always be someone willing to pay them a helluva lot of money to televise their games) or to avoid being left out of the playoff. If Notre Dame has a good enough team to make the playoff you can bet they will be in it. The money left on the table from leaving them out is just too much and the world of college football would ridicule an attempt like that. Maybe they will continue their loose alliance with the ACC or maybe they won't. But join a conference and become just another team in a conference? Nope. They love being an independent and that's just a fact we'll all have to live with for a long, long time whether we like it or not.
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We aren't going to join a conference strictly for financial purposes. The only thing that would force us, is if we cant schedule a competitive schedule due to conferences playing more conference games, or if we don't have access to the CFP. Once the CFP expands, we'll have access to it though, because with expanding they'll have to take at large teams.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Or he is reporting what he his hearing from his sources because that is his job?

I know this is not good for you, but stop with the conspiracy nonsense. He’s just a reporter doing his job. He could be right, he could be wrong. But it’s not like he doesn’t like Oregon, or he’s a big 10 fan or something like that.
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I really doubt the Big Ten keeps changing their mind about expansion, especially in such a short time frame. This tells me his sources don't have a good read on the situation.

I don't really why you mentioned the conspiracy stuff. I never stated he hated Oregon or that he's a Big Ten homer. I just pointed out that his reporting has been all over the place when it comes to conference expansion. That means either the Big Ten's position is rapidly changing in regard to conference expansion or his sources don't have a good read on the situation. I think the latter is far more likely.
 
duckboy33 said:
I really doubt the Big Ten keeps changing their mind about expansion, especially in such a short time frame. This tells me his sources don't have a good read on the situation.

I don't really why you mentioned the conspiracy stuff. I never stated he hated Oregon or that he's a Big Ten homer. I just pointed out that his reporting has been all over the place when it comes to conference expansion. That means either the Big Ten's position is rapidly changing in regard to conference expansion or his sources don't have a good read on the situation. I think the latter is far more likely.
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So the sources aren't saying what you wish they would, so they don't have a good read on it? That's what you are saying. My guess is his sources are dialed in at the highest level, not rando sports board posts.

Look, I have to like you guys because I am a big Lanning fan. And you are the team getting most screwed in all this. But what he is reporting makes the most sense. If they felt you guys would contribute a greater share to the pie, they would add you and then negotiate a bigger pie. It makes no sense to negotiate the media deal and then add you later (unless they are going to offer a lesser share).

My conspiracy comment was that I read you attacking Dodd as being that he is against Oregon, or a B1G homer. Otherwise, he's just reporting the facts because that is his job. If that is incorrect, my bad.
 
ericd7633 said:
We aren't going to join a conference strictly for financial purposes. The only thing that would force us, is if we cant schedule a competitive schedule due to conferences playing more conference games, or if we don't have access to the CFP. Once the CFP expands, we'll have access to it though, because with expanding they'll have to take at large teams.
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Pfff... you guys are in the B1G. What are you talking about Golden Gopher? Unless....




*You are going to the Big12*
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Or he is reporting what he his hearing from his sources because that is his job?

I know this is not good for you, but stop with the conspiracy nonsense. He’s just a reporter doing his job. He could be right, he could be wrong. But it’s not like he doesn’t like Oregon, or he’s a big 10 fan or something like that.
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You need to lookup the definition of conspiracy. You clearly have no idea what it means.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Yeah, plus there seems to be choices. The B12 would take Oregon And Washington in a heartbeat. They can also choose to remain in the PAC. I’m still not seeing how this limit’s competition although I’m sure an argument would be made that staying In the PAC or joining the B12 wont be lucrative enough like joining the B1G or even making what they are making now. But is that really an antitrust situation?
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With USC and UCLA going to the B1G and Texas and OU going to the SEC, it puts almost all of the ''blue bloods'' for the 2 main sports in 2 conferences.

If I'm not mistaken, the only ''blue bloods'' that wouldn't be in those 2 conferences would be from basketball in Kansas, UNC and Duke.

I don't know if that would matter though.
 
trojanfan12 said:
With USC and UCLA going to the B1G and Texas and OU going to the SEC, it puts almost all of the ''blue bloods'' for the 2 main sports in 2 conferences.

If I'm not mistaken, the only ''blue bloods'' that wouldn't be in those 2 conferences would be from basketball in Kansas, UNC and Duke.

I don't know if that would matter though.
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Notre Dame
 
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