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I'm a generous mood and just posted part of an ESPN+ article. I will do so again to show a 25 year comparison of the new SEC v. the new B1G. Suck it B1G!

* SP+ is presented in terms of adjusted points per play. A rating of 29.6 means that on average, Ohio State has been 29.6 points above the perfectly average FBS team over the previous five seasons.

The short answer: The Big Ten is obviously better than everyone else (meaning other than the SEC), but the SEC is still superior on average. With Oklahoma and Texas, the SEC's average SP+ rating last year would have been 11.7; with USC and UCLA, the Big Ten's average would have been 8.9.

If we think broader and more historically, the SEC still has an edge.

Using 25-year averages for each program -- an incredibly broad look at program health and consistency of power -- here's how a Big Ten-SEC challenge would take shape if we set up games between the conferences' best programs, second-best programs and so on.

Best: No. 1 Ohio State (23.7 average) vs. No. 2 Alabama (23.0)

Second-best: No. 3 Oklahoma (21.9) vs. No. 7 USC (18.9)

Third-best: No. 4 Georgia (20.8) vs. No. 11 Michigan (16.6)

Fourth-best: No. 5 Florida (19.6) vs. No. 15 Wisconsin (15.5)

Fifth-best: No. 6 LSU (19.4) vs. No. 16 Penn State (15.2)

Sixth-best: No. 9 Texas (17.0) vs. No. 18 Nebraska (14.6)

Seventh-best: No. 17 Auburn (15.2) vs. No. 25 Iowa (11.3)

Eighth-best: No. 19 Tennessee (13.8) vs. No. 30 Michigan State (9.8)

Ninth-best: No. 20 Texas A&M (13.4) vs. No. 34 UCLA (8.4)

10th-best: No. 29 Arkansas (10.3) vs. No. 49 Purdue (4.7)

11th-best: No. 33 Missouri (8.7) vs. No. 51 Minnesota (4.5)

12th-best: No. 37 Ole Miss (7.6) vs. No. 56 Maryland (2.0)

13th-best: No. 38 South Carolina (7.6) vs. No. 68 Northwestern (-0.5)

14th-best: No. 50 Mississippi State (4.6) vs. No. 75 Illinois (-2.1)

15th-best: No. 62 Kentucky (0.9) vs. No. 79 Indiana (-3.9)

16th-best: No. 86 Vanderbilt (-5.3) vs. No. 97 Rutgers (-7.5)

The SEC still holds at least a slight advantage in 15 of those 16 matchups and averages a 12.4 rating to the Big Ten's 8.2. That's certainly noteworthy.

Even more noteworthy, however: These conferences now house nine of the 11 best programs of the past 25 years. And 15 of the top 20! And 22 of the top 40! Both conferences could add more programs in the future, but they've already acquired nearly every long-term power the sport has produced.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if something like a B1G-SEC Challenge doesn't come out of this in the long-term honestly.

Kevin Warren cut his teeth as an SEC AD. You cannot tell me that he is not having conversations with Greg Sankey. I have almost wonder if the real Alliance right now is between the B1G and SEC.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I'm a generous mood and just posted part of an ESPN+ article. I will do so again to show a 25 year comparison of the new SEC v. the new B1G. Suck it B1G!

* SP+ is presented in terms of adjusted points per play. A rating of 29.6 means that on average, Ohio State has been 29.6 points above the perfectly average FBS team over the previous five seasons.

The short answer: The Big Ten is obviously better than everyone else (meaning other than the SEC), but the SEC is still superior on average. With Oklahoma and Texas, the SEC's average SP+ rating last year would have been 11.7; with USC and UCLA, the Big Ten's average would have been 8.9.

If we think broader and more historically, the SEC still has an edge.

Using 25-year averages for each program -- an incredibly broad look at program health and consistency of power -- here's how a Big Ten-SEC challenge would take shape if we set up games between the conferences' best programs, second-best programs and so on.

Best: No. 1 Ohio State (23.7 average) vs. No. 2 Alabama (23.0)

Second-best: No. 3 Oklahoma (21.9) vs. No. 7 USC (18.9)

Third-best: No. 4 Georgia (20.8) vs. No. 11 Michigan (16.6)

Fourth-best: No. 5 Florida (19.6) vs. No. 15 Wisconsin (15.5)

Fifth-best: No. 6 LSU (19.4) vs. No. 16 Penn State (15.2)

Sixth-best: No. 9 Texas (17.0) vs. No. 18 Nebraska (14.6)

Seventh-best: No. 17 Auburn (15.2) vs. No. 25 Iowa (11.3)

Eighth-best: No. 19 Tennessee (13.8) vs. No. 30 Michigan State (9.8)

Ninth-best: No. 20 Texas A&M (13.4) vs. No. 34 UCLA (8.4)

10th-best: No. 29 Arkansas (10.3) vs. No. 49 Purdue (4.7)

11th-best: No. 33 Missouri (8.7) vs. No. 51 Minnesota (4.5)

12th-best: No. 37 Ole Miss (7.6) vs. No. 56 Maryland (2.0)

13th-best: No. 38 South Carolina (7.6) vs. No. 68 Northwestern (-0.5)

14th-best: No. 50 Mississippi State (4.6) vs. No. 75 Illinois (-2.1)

15th-best: No. 62 Kentucky (0.9) vs. No. 79 Indiana (-3.9)

16th-best: No. 86 Vanderbilt (-5.3) vs. No. 97 Rutgers (-7.5)

The SEC still holds at least a slight advantage in 15 of those 16 matchups and averages a 12.4 rating to the Big Ten's 8.2. That's certainly noteworthy.

Even more noteworthy, however: These conferences now house nine of the 11 best programs of the past 25 years. And 15 of the top 20! And 22 of the top 40! Both conferences could add more programs in the future, but they've already acquired nearly every long-term power the sport has produced.
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Some of those middle-tier matchups could get super wildass. I guess we get a sneak peak of that each year in some of the bowl games.

Had to lol at the TX and Nebraska matchup.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Kevin Warren cut his teeth as an SEC AD. You cannot tell me that he is not having conversations with Greg Sankey. I have almost wonder if the real Alliance right now is between the B1G and SEC.
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Volbound1700 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if something like a B1G-SEC Challenge doesn't come out of this in the long-term honestly.

Kevin Warren cut his teeth as an SEC AD. You cannot tell me that he is not having conversations with Greg Sankey. I have almost wonder if the real Alliance right now is between the B1G and SEC.
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Ah, so you are saying that Warren was Sankey's plant in The Alliance.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I'm a generous mood and just posted part of an ESPN+ article. I will do so again to show a 25 year comparison of the new SEC v. the new B1G. Suck it B1G!

* SP+ is presented in terms of adjusted points per play. A rating of 29.6 means that on average, Ohio State has been 29.6 points above the perfectly average FBS team over the previous five seasons.

The short answer: The Big Ten is obviously better than everyone else (meaning other than the SEC), but the SEC is still superior on average. With Oklahoma and Texas, the SEC's average SP+ rating last year would have been 11.7; with USC and UCLA, the Big Ten's average would have been 8.9.

If we think broader and more historically, the SEC still has an edge.

Using 25-year averages for each program -- an incredibly broad look at program health and consistency of power -- here's how a Big Ten-SEC challenge would take shape if we set up games between the conferences' best programs, second-best programs and so on.

Best: No. 1 Ohio State (23.7 average) vs. No. 2 Alabama (23.0)

Second-best: No. 3 Oklahoma (21.9) vs. No. 7 USC (18.9)

Third-best: No. 4 Georgia (20.8) vs. No. 11 Michigan (16.6)

Fourth-best: No. 5 Florida (19.6) vs. No. 15 Wisconsin (15.5)

Fifth-best: No. 6 LSU (19.4) vs. No. 16 Penn State (15.2)

Sixth-best: No. 9 Texas (17.0) vs. No. 18 Nebraska (14.6)

Seventh-best: No. 17 Auburn (15.2) vs. No. 25 Iowa (11.3)

Eighth-best: No. 19 Tennessee (13.8) vs. No. 30 Michigan State (9.8)

Ninth-best: No. 20 Texas A&M (13.4) vs. No. 34 UCLA (8.4)

10th-best: No. 29 Arkansas (10.3) vs. No. 49 Purdue (4.7)

11th-best: No. 33 Missouri (8.7) vs. No. 51 Minnesota (4.5)

12th-best: No. 37 Ole Miss (7.6) vs. No. 56 Maryland (2.0)

13th-best: No. 38 South Carolina (7.6) vs. No. 68 Northwestern (-0.5)

14th-best: No. 50 Mississippi State (4.6) vs. No. 75 Illinois (-2.1)

15th-best: No. 62 Kentucky (0.9) vs. No. 79 Indiana (-3.9)

16th-best: No. 86 Vanderbilt (-5.3) vs. No. 97 Rutgers (-7.5)

The SEC still holds at least a slight advantage in 15 of those 16 matchups and averages a 12.4 rating to the Big Ten's 8.2. That's certainly noteworthy.

Even more noteworthy, however: These conferences now house nine of the 11 best programs of the past 25 years. And 15 of the top 20! And 22 of the top 40! Both conferences could add more programs in the future, but they've already acquired nearly every long-term power the sport has produced.
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the hard part of this is that the current state of the programs is not reflective in the avg over 25 years.
nobody is taking USC as the #2 program of the Big coming off a 4 win season. and if you believe Ole Miss is behind Tennessee or Missouri then you crazy. kentucky way too low. Nebraska way too high
 
OlyDuck said:
the hard part of this is that the current state of the programs is not reflective in the avg over 25 years.
nobody is taking USC as the #2 program of the Big coming off a 4 win season. and if you believe Ole Miss is behind Tennessee or Missouri then you crazy. kentucky way too low. Nebraska way too high
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I don't think the outcome is any different if you take the last 3 years.

tOSU v. Bama
UGA v. Michigan
ATM v. PSU
OU v. Wisky
LSU v. Iowa
UF v. MSU

then who cares after that ... someone else can run the teams. But the results are the same, I think.
 
HammerDown said:
The disparity between the SEC and everyone else is so far as to be insurmountable.
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It’s why Notre Dame will ultimately join the SEC instead of the BIG. Warm weather, easier to sell to croots, women have tan lines, BBQ is better, toilet paper is softer ect. ect.
 
Hitman Hart said:
which league makes more money?
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The B1G and SEC are basically the same. For the purpose of this discussion take money out of it. B1G has location and natural rivalries - UM, MSU, and So Cal. Then tOSU and UCLA. Their path to the playoffs is easier in the B1G. If they join a conference, it's the B1G.
 
CoalTrain said:
It’s why Notre Dame will ultimately join the SEC instead of the BIG. Warm weather, easier to sell to croots, women have tan lines, BBQ is better, toilet paper is softer ect. ect.
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If Notre Dame joins a conference -- it will be the BIG. They have long standing rivalries with many in the conference already and with the addition of USC, it only further cemented them as joining in the future.

The conference alignment is what will be interesting. They've had long standing rivalries with UM, MSU and USC. But I don't think they'd stick OSU, UM, MSU and ND in the same "pod". I suppose they could put them with USC, UCLA, as they are used to that travel anyways, but being in Indiana, you'd think they would group them with Purdue and Indiana?

Who knows? This whole thing is giving me a headache trying to track which teams are in which conference and which teams the B1G and SEC are going to go after.
 
Florida has never played the Badgers. My family has been waiting for that game since 1987.

The bowl arrangements have been too rigid and don't allow for a lot of decent matchups.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I'm a generous mood and just posted part of an ESPN+ article. I will do so again to show a 25 year comparison of the new SEC v. the new B1G. Suck it B1G!

* SP+ is presented in terms of adjusted points per play. A rating of 29.6 means that on average, Ohio State has been 29.6 points above the perfectly average FBS team over the previous five seasons.

The short answer: The Big Ten is obviously better than everyone else (meaning other than the SEC), but the SEC is still superior on average. With Oklahoma and Texas, the SEC's average SP+ rating last year would have been 11.7; with USC and UCLA, the Big Ten's average would have been 8.9.

If we think broader and more historically, the SEC still has an edge.

Using 25-year averages for each program -- an incredibly broad look at program health and consistency of power -- here's how a Big Ten-SEC challenge would take shape if we set up games between the conferences' best programs, second-best programs and so on.

Best: No. 1 Ohio State (23.7 average) vs. No. 2 Alabama (23.0)

Second-best: No. 3 Oklahoma (21.9) vs. No. 7 USC (18.9)

Third-best: No. 4 Georgia (20.8) vs. No. 11 Michigan (16.6)

Fourth-best: No. 5 Florida (19.6) vs. No. 15 Wisconsin (15.5)

Fifth-best: No. 6 LSU (19.4) vs. No. 16 Penn State (15.2)

Sixth-best: No. 9 Texas (17.0) vs. No. 18 Nebraska (14.6)

Seventh-best: No. 17 Auburn (15.2) vs. No. 25 Iowa (11.3)

Eighth-best: No. 19 Tennessee (13.8) vs. No. 30 Michigan State (9.8)

Ninth-best: No. 20 Texas A&M (13.4) vs. No. 34 UCLA (8.4)

10th-best: No. 29 Arkansas (10.3) vs. No. 49 Purdue (4.7)

11th-best: No. 33 Missouri (8.7) vs. No. 51 Minnesota (4.5)

12th-best: No. 37 Ole Miss (7.6) vs. No. 56 Maryland (2.0)

13th-best: No. 38 South Carolina (7.6) vs. No. 68 Northwestern (-0.5)

14th-best: No. 50 Mississippi State (4.6) vs. No. 75 Illinois (-2.1)

15th-best: No. 62 Kentucky (0.9) vs. No. 79 Indiana (-3.9)

16th-best: No. 86 Vanderbilt (-5.3) vs. No. 97 Rutgers (-7.5)

The SEC still holds at least a slight advantage in 15 of those 16 matchups and averages a 12.4 rating to the Big Ten's 8.2. That's certainly noteworthy.

Even more noteworthy, however: These conferences now house nine of the 11 best programs of the past 25 years. And 15 of the top 20! And 22 of the top 40! Both conferences could add more programs in the future, but they've already acquired nearly every long-term power the sport has produced.
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SEC is better at Natty's, B1G is better at raking in the $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Winner - B1G.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think the outcome is any different if you take the last 3 years.

tOSU v. Bama
UGA v. Michigan
ATM v. PSU
OU v. Wisky
LSU v. Iowa
UF v. MSU

then who cares after that ... someone else can run the teams. But the results are the same, I think.
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in that im going
Bama, UGA, A&M, Wisk, Iowa, MSU to be honest and im not 100% on A&M
 
Hitman Hart said:
which league makes more money?
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With the additions probably Big 10. They have the top 3 markets in the US. The SEC has pieces of 4, 7, and 9 and none of them are in their traditional blueprint.

From a prestige perspective it should be the SEC though. I think they were doing a little better before the additions but Oklahoma is a bigger brand than USC and Texas shores up the markets mentioned above whereas UCLA is just kinda along for the ride.
 
Cowboyinexile said:
With the additions probably Big 10. They have the top 3 markets in the US. The SEC has pieces of 4, 7, and 9 and none of them are in their traditional blueprint.

From a prestige perspective it should be the SEC though. I think they were doing a little better before the additions but Oklahoma is a bigger brand than USC and Texas shores up the markets mentioned above whereas UCLA is just kinda along for the ride.
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If ND for B1G, B1G for sure. Otherwise, even. Markets are way less important and diminishing. Eyeballs is about even. CFP to the SEC. That’s about even for the 3 things that matter.
 
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