SECCCG irrelevant?

@Mistaken4193, this playoff talk reminds me of a thread going on at VolNation. Tennessee fans are wondering why Alabama is even ahead of Tennessee and they have a valid argument if you just consider SOS factor. (I don't mind Alabama being ahead of Tennessee since we lost Hooker and the way we lost to South Carolina).

Here is the SOS breakdown for all three teams. I am only going to list teams over .500 to make it easy. I am also going to note if it is a road or home game.

Ohio State:

Wins: Notre Dame (8-4), Toledo (7-5), Wisconsin (6-6), Iowa (7-5), @ Penn State (10-2), @ Maryland (7-5)

Loss: Michigan (11-1)

Alabama:

Wins: Utah State (6-6), @Texas (8-4), @Arkansas (6-6), Mississippi State (8-4), @ Ole Miss (8-4)

Losses: @ Tennessee (10-2), @LSU (9-3)

Tennessee:

Wins: @Pittsburgh (8-4), Florida (6-6), @LSU (9-3), Alabama (10-2), Kentucky (7-5), Missouri (6-6)

Losses: @ Georgia (12-0), @South Carolina (8-4)

Looking at this record, I don't think Alabama has an argument to pass up a 1-loss Ohio State team. Ohio State's win @ Penn State trumps anything on Alabama's resume. Even in the SEC, you lose the SOS argument with Tennessee who has wins over a 10-2 and @ a 9-3 team. Tennessee's win @ Pittsburgh is also equivalent to your Texas win. The resumes are pretty comparable overall on number of bowl teams that each program faced but Ohio State and Tennessee both have marque wins greater than anything Alabama has won.

I think the trump card for Tennessee is how bad they lost to South Carolina (although that loss doesn't seem as bad since South Carolina just beat Clemson) and also the fact that Tennessee lost Hendon Hooker.

Personally, I think the SEC is done. Only Georgia deserves to go. Alabama did play a tough schedule but they just did NOT get a lot of quality wins. SEC East was arguably better than the SEC West this year. You can see it with both Georgia and Tennessee going 2-0 against the West, Missouri going 1-1, Kentucky going 1-1, South Carolina going 1-1, and Florida going 1-1. Only Vanderbilt went 0-2. SEC East had a 1-game lead over the SEC West.

LSU was a pretty weak top ten team, IMO and got exposed. Had LSU won this past weekend, I think you would have a better argument although you would be up against a Tennessee team with two 10-2 wins.
 
One main issue that I have with Alabama is their OOC scheduling. They have been UP for over 15-16 years but yet they only have one power 5 OOC game on their schedule and they still play Austin Peay, etc. I could understand some years being this way with how difficult it is to get good opponents but Alabama has been this way the entire time Saban has been there.

Take Georgia and Florida as comparisons. Georgia played BOTH Oregon and Georgia Tech, Florida played BOTH Utah and Florida State.

Alabama needs to man up and play at least two Power 5 teams a year if they want to stay in Power 5 conversation. Other SEC programs have done that. This is why I give LSU such props in 2011 and wouldn't mind if people considered them the Champion. They beat both Oregon and West Virginia who were conference champions of their respected leagues that year (as well as Alabama in the regular season).
 
ericd7633 said:
They all are except the P12. Uga, Michigan and tcu can all lose and still make it. Usc wins and in. Usc loses and it's osu IMO
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Georgia and Michigan can lose and still get in. IMHO TCU doesn’t have the “cache” with the committee to get in with a loss.
 
Deep Creek said:
Georgia and Michigan can lose and still get in. IMHO TCU doesn’t have the “cache” with the committee to get in with a loss.
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Possibly. Their competition is starting to fall off though. I do think if TCU loses (or just USC and TCU wins), Ohio State takes that spot. However, if both USC and TCU lose, things get interesting.
 
ericd7633 said:
If they put osu in, it will solely be on the basis of their brand imo. The good wins are basically the same(ND/Texas and KSU/PSU). OSU would have the better loss, but in this scenario I can see KSU jump to like 7/8. Well see what happens but I think tcu can afford to lose.
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While I’d hope you are right, I don’t see them not going with the brand. I’m not saying it’s right or fair, it’s just the way it is.
 
duckboy33 said:
I agree. But, I think 12-1 TCU gets in over 10-2 Tennessee if that's what it comes down to.
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A fair point, I’d just worry they’d like Tennessee’ resume (it is better imo) then TCUs. But I don’t necessarily disagree with you.
 
Deep Creek said:
Georgia and Michigan can lose and still get in. IMHO TCU doesn’t have the “cache” with the committee to get in with a loss.
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Yeah -- this year is wild with all the teams losing multiple games.

I think the CFP is down to 5 teams. Michigan and Georgia are in win or lose in the CFP. Then it comes down to what happens in the other CCG's. It will be between USC, TCU and OSU. Two of them get in. One is left out.

Can't see them putting a 2 loss team in over Ohio State, with OSU's only loss being to Michigan. If Michigan had lost to OSU -- I could definitely see a 2 loss team getting in over Michigan, as we played no one in OOC. Ohio State played Notre Dame in OOC.

So I don't think we will see a 2 loss team getting into the CFP for the first time, even with all the craziness going on this year. Even if TCU and USC lose in their CCG's. I think we'd see TCU and OSU getting in the last 2 spots.
 
Volbound1700 said:
@Mistaken4193, this playoff talk reminds me of a thread going on at VolNation. Tennessee fans are wondering why Alabama is even ahead of Tennessee and they have a valid argument if you just consider SOS factor. (I don't mind Alabama being ahead of Tennessee since we lost Hooker and the way we lost to South Carolina).

Here is the SOS breakdown for all three teams. I am only going to list teams over .500 to make it easy. I am also going to note if it is a road or home game.

Ohio State:

Wins: Notre Dame (8-4), Toledo (7-5), Wisconsin (6-6), Iowa (7-5), @ Penn State (10-2), @ Maryland (7-5)

Loss: Michigan (11-1)

Alabama:

Wins: Utah State (6-6), @Texas (8-4), @Arkansas (6-6), Mississippi State (8-4), @ Ole Miss (8-4)

Losses: @ Tennessee (10-2), @LSU (9-3)

Tennessee:

Wins: @Pittsburgh (8-4), Florida (6-6), @LSU (9-3), Alabama (10-2), Kentucky (7-5), Missouri (6-6)

Losses: @ Georgia (12-0), @South Carolina (8-4)

Looking at this record, I don't think Alabama has an argument to pass up a 1-loss Ohio State team. Ohio State's win @ Penn State trumps anything on Alabama's resume. Even in the SEC, you lose the SOS argument with Tennessee who has wins over a 10-2 and @ a 9-3 team. Tennessee's win @ Pittsburgh is also equivalent to your Texas win. The resumes are pretty comparable overall on number of bowl teams that each program faced but Ohio State and Tennessee both have marque wins greater than anything Alabama has won.

I think the trump card for Tennessee is how bad they lost to South Carolina (although that loss doesn't seem as bad since South Carolina just beat Clemson) and also the fact that Tennessee lost Hendon Hooker.

Personally, I think the SEC is done. Only Georgia deserves to go. Alabama did play a tough schedule but they just did NOT get a lot of quality wins. SEC East was arguably better than the SEC West this year. You can see it with both Georgia and Tennessee going 2-0 against the West, Missouri going 1-1, Kentucky going 1-1, South Carolina going 1-1, and Florida going 1-1. Only Vanderbilt went 0-2. SEC East had a 1-game lead over the SEC West.

LSU was a pretty weak top ten team, IMO and got exposed. Had LSU won this past weekend, I think you would have a better argument although you would be up against a Tennessee team with two 10-2 wins.
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Tennessee should be ranked ahead of both Alabama and Ohio State. But they won’t because they aren’t a blue blood, got absolutely manhandled in both of their lossses, and most of all……Nobody gives a shit about Tennessee
 
Volbound1700 said:
One main issue that I have with Alabama is their OOC scheduling. They have been UP for over 15-16 years but yet they only have one power 5 OOC game on their schedule and they still play Austin Peay, etc. I could understand some years being this way with how difficult it is to get good opponents but Alabama has been this way the entire time Saban has been there.
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Saban was the only SEC coach for YEARS begging to add a 9th conference game and to get rid of that FCS weekend. FOR YEARS. Of course people are jealous of him because he wins all the time so they blame him for it when he was literally the only one trying to stop it
 
ELTEXAN said:
UGA in CFP no matter what?

Discuss.
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UGA could forfeit the SECCG to let their team get extra rest and they'd still get in the CFP. :pound: So while it'd be entertaining to have the SEC have 0 teams in. It isn't happening.

Hell -- I think UGA, Michigan and maybe even TCU could forfeit their CCG's and still get into the CFP.
 
Mistaken4193 said:
Ohio State has 2 wins….10-2 Penn State(who Texas would beat) and 8-4 Notre Dame who lost to Marshall and 3-9 Stanford.

Bama played a much stronger SOS
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Now you are projecting who Texas would and wouldn't beat? That's priceless. It is pretty sad to watch a Bama fan gravel during a year they have no business being in the top 4. If a 2 loss SEC team gets in the #4 spot -- It'd be Tennessee, who BEAT BAMA.
 
UGA is in, but they'll be the SEC rep this time around.
 
Mistaken4193 said:
Saban was the only SEC coach for YEARS begging to add a 9th conference game and to get rid of that FCS weekend. FOR YEARS. Of course people are jealous of him because he wins all the time so they blame him for it when he was literally the only one trying to stop it
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I like the current format. Instead of begging for another SEC game, why doesn't he schedule another ACC, B1G, Big12, or Pac12 opponent?
 
Volbound1700 said:
I like the current format. Instead of begging for another SEC game, why doesn't he schedule another ACC, B1G, Big12, or Pac12 opponent?
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You think Other P5 teams willlingly would play Alabama these last 15 years? Btw…starting in 2024 we do have 2 P5 schedule per year

Starting with @Wisconsin and Vs FSU
 
Volbound1700 said:
I like the current format. Instead of begging for another SEC game, why doesn't he schedule another ACC, B1G, Big12, or Pac12 opponent?
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Cuz he knows he’ll get preferential treatment with even two losses. Obvi.
 
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