Snyder with K-State or Beamer with Va Tech?

Which coach's success was more impressive?

  • Snyder with Kansas State

    Votes: 21 84.0%

  • Beamer with Virginia Tech

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Total voters
    25
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Which coach's success was more impressive with their programs? Snyder and what he did at Kansas State or Beamer with what he did at VT?
 
Beamer made a NCG.

Tougher place to win for Snider, but I’d still take Beamer
 
It's Bill Snyder all day long.

Winning Percentage before Bill Snyder = 37% which is dead last out of all teams
Winning percentage while Bill Snyder Coached KSU = 63% which is #27 during that time

Winning percentage before Frank Beamer = 59%
Winning percentage while Frank Coached VT = 62%
 
Snyder 'literally' took the worst team in college football and put them into the National Championship discussion.

Beamer took a pretty good team, historically, and played in the National Championship game vs Florida State.

Both impressive.
 
Beamer did a heckuva job too but it’s Snyder all day long.
 
Not sure who VT played in conference, but Kansas State played two Top 10 teams every year in Oklahoma and Nebraska, then later on, Texas.

Someone can probably fill in the blanks on VT and their power conference opponents at the time.
 
Man great debate. Great one.

Virginia Tech with Beamer:
Kansas State did play in a tougher conference but while VT was in the Big East they did have to deal with a great Miami team, then deal with Florida State in the ACC. The run of 23 consecutive bowl games sort of seems impressive, but they never won two in a row under Beamer (I might be off here, but it didn't happen much at all). The undefeated regular season where the beat the common opponents by more than Florida State did. He is man candidate Michael Vick and Corey Moore won the Lombardi and Nagurski awards.

Kansas State with Snyder:
Man what he did in Manhattan. Totally unreal. So many bad seasons and then Michael Bishop comes aboard. So close to a BIG XII title and BCS title appearance before losing to Texas A&M. Big XII champions in 2003 after thrashing #1 Oklahoma. Kansas State was ranked #1 a few times under Snyder.

So close to call, but what Snyder did with an awful K State team gives him the close nod in this one.
 
outofyourmind said:
Not sure who VT played in conference, but Kansas State played two Top 10 teams every year in Oklahoma and Nebraska, then later on, Texas.

Someone can probably fill in the blanks on VT and their power conference opponents at the time.
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Oklahoma was never a top ten team when Snyder played them every year during his first stint. Shit, by the time Snyder turned it around at K-State, Oklahoma kind of sucked.

Once the Big 12 was formed, K-State did not play Oklahoma and Texas every year
 
Collegefbfan said:
Man great debate. Great one.

Virginia Tech with Beamer:
Kansas State did play in a tougher conference but while VT was in the Big East they did have to deal with a great Miami team, then deal with Florida State in the ACC. The run of 23 consecutive bowl games sort of seems impressive, but they never won two in a row under Beamer (I might be off here, but it didn't happen much at all). The undefeated regular season where the beat the common opponents by more than Florida State did. He is man candidate Michael Vick and Corey Moore won the Lombardi and Nagurski awards.

Kansas State with Snyder:
Man what he did in Manhattan. Totally unreal. So many bad seasons and then Michael Bishop comes aboard. So close to a BIG XII title and BCS title appearance before losing to Texas A&M. Big XII champions in 2003 after thrashing #1 Oklahoma. Kansas State was ranked #1 a few times under Snyder.

So close to call, but what Snyder did with an awful K State team gives him the close nod in this one.
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FSU was already on a clear decline by the time VT joined in 2004.

K-State did play tougher opponents annually. Interesting it was the combination of Nebraska + Colorado and not Nebraska + Oklahoma that made the schedule difficult.
 
Hitman Hart said:
FSU was already on a clear decline by the time VT joined in 2004.

K-State did play tougher opponents annually. Interesting it was the combination of Nebraska + Colorado and not Nebraska + Oklahoma that made the schedule difficult.
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A decline? They won 9 or more games from 2011-2016 and won 59 games from 2012-2016 and a BCS National championship. Now, annually K State did have tougher opponents.
 
Are we all in agreement then, that it was Bill Snyder at Kansas State, and the Oklahoma Sucked.

Still pretty tough.
 
Collegefbfan said:
A decline? They won 9 or more games from 2011-2016 and won 59 games from 2012-2016 and a BCS National championship. Now, annually K State did have tougher opponents.
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Their decline was from 2004ish to 2009. Which was the same VT had their peak in the ACC.

Virginia Tech sucked from 2012 until Beamer retired, so your cute stat from 2012-2016 is meaningless. and uh, FSU and VT have never played each other every year while members of the ACC. VT really didn't have to deal with FSU at all outside of that weird 2005 conference title game.
 
Hitman Hart said:
Their decline was from 2004ish to 2009. Which was the same VT had their peak in the ACC.

Virginia Tech sucked from 2012 until Beamer retired, so your cute stat from 2012-2016 is meaningless. and uh, FSU and VT have never played each other every year. VT really didn't have to deal with FSU at all outside of 2004 and that weird 2005 conference title game.
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Oh ok. I thought "clear decline" meant ongoing. What about the 2010 ACC championship where the Hokies beat a Jimbo Fisher led Noles team under Beamer. Even though the Hokies lost both, they did play Alabama and Southern Cal (I think both were #1). And I agree they didn't play every other year, that is why I feel Kansas State had tougher opponents each season.
 
Collegefbfan said:
Oh ok. I thought "clear decline" meant ongoing. What about the 2010 ACC championship where the Hokies beat a Jimbo Fisher led Noles team under Beamer. Even though the Hokies lost both, they did play Alabama and Southern Cal (I think both were #1). And I agree they didn't play every other year, that is why I feel Kansas State had tougher opponents each season.
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Sure. 2005 and 2010 were the only years where a prime VT had to deal with a passable FSU team. Even then, I wouldn't call 2010 FSU team great. They lost four games, including an anal raping by Oklahoma and two losses against tobacco road teams. They rose up seven spots in the finals poll after they beat an over-rated South Carolina team in the Peach Bowl. Finished #16 nationally.
 
I will be honest, and I wrote an article on a small online sports column a long time ago. When VT joined the ACC, I predicted them never winning the ACC. I just felt mostly that Miami and the Noles would be too much. Had no idea that those two teams would collapse (according to their normal standards) and that Clemson would stop Clemsoning.
 
Collegefbfan said:
I will be honest, and I wrote an article on a small online sports column a long time ago. When VT joined the ACC, I predicted them never winning the ACC. I just felt mostly that Miami and the Noles would be too much. Had no idea that those two teams would collapse (according to their normal standards) and that Clemson would stop Clemsoning.
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Kinda like to throw Don Nehlen in this mix as well.
IMO Beamer and Nehlen were very similar in their demeanor and style/situation. Both had similar teams and success.
 
Collegefbfan said:
I will be honest, and I wrote an article on a small online sports column a long time ago. When VT joined the ACC, I predicted them never winning the ACC. I just felt mostly that Miami and the Noles would be too much. Had no idea that those two teams would collapse (according to their normal standards) and that Clemson would stop Clemsoning.
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Who could have seen that it is 2022 and Miami has never won the ACC.
 
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