Saban takes a MASSIVE shot at Jimbo.

[Goldbug]

That is exactly what it means. Sounds like you need to educate yourself a little more about how it works because all you're doing is throwing out baseless accusations that you can't back up and showing how little you know.

You better hope Venables and your AD have a better grasp than you do, or your Sooners are gonna get ass raped in the SEC.

I made accusations? Dude, your temper keeps getting away from you. And you keep conflating legalities with mechanics and ethics. It's impossible to discuss anything with you. You're way too sensitive about USC. I freely admit OU's got chaos in its past and uncertainty in its future in spite of our optimism now that Muleshoe is gone and we might, repeat might, be a helluva lot better positioned to develop into the type of program that can flourish in the SEC. You're got Eddie Ethics as your head coach with oodles of great players that all innocently drifted into your program and there hasn't been $1 dollar spent/given/invested in them that wouldn't pass muster if there is ever an investigation. Congratulations! You should be on top of the world. I'm finished trying to have a civil discussion with you. Good luck this season and we'll all see if Rent-A-Team is the way to go.

 

[Goldbug]

No- there is no difference between a car or 500k. Again it’s the price that is different, not the act.

If the definition is the same, then there is no "difference" between being punched by a three year old girl and Mike Tyson? There is no "difference" between losing $1,000 in the stock market and losing $1,000,000? There is not any difference between eating an extra 20 calories a day and eating an extra 2,000 calories? The effect of the disparity is what we're talking about; not the simple definition of one form of inducement compared to another. Let's drop it. I think we both agree the $$ should be there for the players but at some point the amounts and how they are paid can become corrosive. That's what needs to be addressed.

 

[fordman84]

No kidding?! I can name 20 schools that would be willing to pony up $10 Million to sign a Top 5 class year in and year out. At $25 Million to $30 Million there are 3 schools. At $20 Million maybe 5 schools. But at $10 Million it's a pretty long list.

And I'm sure there are plenty now. But wasn't when A&M was first paying that. Now the market has started to explode and it would cost 5x as much for A&M to do what we did. It's like free agency in all sports, the last deal is the biggest.

 

[fordman84]

$10m over 3 years, 30 million. It's math.

According to everyone these kids will transfer out after this year, so it's just 10m over one year then someone else pays them. Simple math.

 

[fordman84]

He broke the SEC code. Nick skirted it. People interpreted his remarks as calling Jimbo a cheater. Jimbo was less circumspect, calling Saban a flat-out cheater.

Last time this happened a couple of programs ended up on probation.

Nick broke two SEC rules. Jimbo's response broke 1.

 

[fordman84]

I made accusations? Dude, your temper keeps getting away from you. And you keep conflating legalities with mechanics and ethics. It's impossible to discuss anything with you. You're way too sensitive about USC. I freely admit OU's got chaos in its past and uncertainty in its future in spite of our optimism now that Muleshoe is gone and we might, repeat might, be a helluva lot better positioned to develop into the type of program that can flourish in the SEC. You're got Eddie Ethics as your head coach with oodles of great players that all innocently drifted into your program and there hasn't been $1 dollar spent/given/invested in them that wouldn't pass muster if there is ever an investigation. Congratulations! You should be on top of the world. I'm finished trying to have a civil discussion with you. Good luck this season and we'll all see if Rent-A-Team is the way to go.

All this "mercenary" and "rent a team" bullshit makes me laugh. You show me one team that graduates 100% of their recruits every year and I'll show you a team that hasn't won shit that entire time.
EVERY team is made up of "mercenaries" and rented. They pull kids from all over the country with promises of scholarships, future earnings, a coach, history of winning titles, etc. They are all there for one reason and that is to put themselves in the best position to meet their goal, either NFL or tagging along for a shot at a ring. For anyone to sit here and claim NIL is now creating any sort of team structure that is different than what we have had through the entire scholarship era is stupid.

 

[trojanfan12]

I made accusations?

Yes, you did.

Dude, your temper keeps getting away from you. And you keep conflating legalities with mechanics and ethics. It's impossible to discuss anything with you. You're way too sensitive about USC.

lol

You and other Sooners fans have been bitching and crying for months, made accusations that you cant support and then want to claim others are sensitive.

I'm not sensitive at all. You just don't like the fact that you're being called out for the made u bullshit you're posting. You've been asked to post something to support your posts and have presented and have come back with nothing.

 

[Codaxx]

If the definition is the same, then there is no "difference" between being punched by a three year old girl and Mike Tyson? There is no "difference" between losing $1,000 in the stock market and losing $1,000,000? There is not any difference between eating an extra 20 calories a day and eating an extra 2,000 calories? The effect of the disparity is what we're talking about; not the simple definition of one form of inducement compared to another. Let's drop it. I think we both agree the $$ should be there for the players but at some point the amounts and how they are paid can become corrosive. That's what needs to be addressed.

You are losing it. Why you can not understand that cheating is cheating and it has been going on for decades is beyond me. OU out-paying it’s rivals in the 80s is no different than A&M doing it today, except for the fact that you aren’t a fan when it goes the other way

 

[Goldbug]

You are losing it. Why you can not understand that cheating is cheating and it has been going on for decades is beyond me. OU out-paying it’s rivals in the 80s is no different than A&M doing it today, except for the fact that you aren’t a fan when it goes the other way

OK. Now you've got me confused. I agree that paying someone under the table or on top of the table is basically the same thing. What I am doing is drawing a distinction between a car and jillions of dollars. It's not the same thing. I rather doubt if OU stole a recruit from Texas because we were going to get the guy a new Firebird instead of a Fiero. What we're talking about now is small fortunes being offered to players which influence their decision on where to play college sports. Another point I think you are missing is it used to be cheating; now it's not cheating. Neither of us wants to go back to the old way of doing things. All I'm lobbying for is some system to assure the collectives and other ways of funneling money to players doesn't create a whole new set of problems. It's probably too late for that but the leaders of college sports need to get something reasonable in place before the lawsuits and politicians really mess things up.

 

[trojanfan12]

You are losing it. Why you can not understand that cheating is cheating and it has been going on for decades is beyond me. OU out-paying it’s rivals in the 80s is no different than A&M doing it today, except for the fact that you aren’t a fan when it goes the other way

Yep. He is hanging his entire argument on a technicality.

Yes, a kid getting $1,000 is different than a kid getting a car and different than a kid getting a $500,000+ NIL deal. But, under the old rules, they are all cheating, so there really isn't a difference as far as the NCAA was concerned.

Now, under current rules, those NIL deals are legal. So it really doesn't matter that the kids can get more now.

I think his issue is that, now that NIL is a real thing, he is learning that OU cant afford as much as some other schools.

 

[Codaxx]

OK. Now you've got me confused. I agree that paying someone under the table or on top of the table is basically the same thing. What I am doing is drawing a distinction between a car and jillions of dollars. It's not the same thing. I rather doubt if OU stole a recruit from Texas because we were going to get the guy a new Firebird instead of a Fiero. What we're talking about now is small fortunes being offered to players which influence their decision on where to play college sports. Another point I think you are missing is it used to be cheating; now it's not cheating. Neither of us wants to go back to the old way of doing things. All I'm lobbying for is some system to assure the collectives and other ways of funneling money to players doesn't create a whole new set of problems. It's probably too late for that but the leaders of college sports need to get something reasonable in place before the lawsuits and politicians really mess things up.

The NCAA really screwed this up. They fought it tooth and nail. This was always coming, but the NCAA did 0 in terms of preparation for it. Now it’s the Wild West. NCAA’s lack of action has turned CFB into SWC. It’s been bad for years and there is no authority to rein it in.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

According to everyone these kids will transfer out after this year, so it's just 10m over one year then someone else pays them. Simple math.

You seem confused. In one post you brag about NO ONE being able to outspend ATM, then in the next you deny you bought the class. So, which way is it?

 

[fordman84]

You seem confused. In one post you brag about NO ONE being able to outspend ATM, then in the next you deny you bought the class. So, which way is it?

Where did I deny we bought the class?

 

[huskers1217]

According to everyone these kids will transfer out after this year, so it's just 10m over one year then someone else pays them. Simple math.

I haven't really looked into it. Are these kids signing NIL deals requiring them to be at that school for certain period of time? Are they one year deals each - if no deal then if the kid sucks and some NIL guys say...go fuck yourself you aren't getting paid?

 

[huskers1217]

The NCAA really screwed this up. They fought it tooth and nail. This was always coming, but the NCAA did 0 in terms of preparation for it. Now it’s the Wild West. NCAA’s lack of action has turned CFB into SWC. It’s been bad for years and there is no authority to rein it in.

The NCAA has no authority anymore. unless your Nebraska. then you can suspend Scott Frost because he brought in an extra coach.

 

[fordman84]

I haven't really looked into it. Are these kids signing NIL deals requiring them to be at that school for certain period of time? Are they one year deals each - if no deal then if the kid sucks and some NIL guys say...go fuck yourself you aren't getting paid?

No idea. I assume future year NIL deals with guaranteed money would be illegal. maybe not, the rest of the NIL system seems screwed up so maybe it is allowed.

 

[OlyDuck]

Yes, the same as every other team in the top 5 of recruiting. And you sure talk shit for being a fan of a team that has done exactly jack and shit other than being overrated. Oregon likely is one of the few teams that might have been more overrated the last decade than A&M.

over the last decade/
oregon with the better overall WL%
Oregon with a playoff win and a NC game appearance. A&M 0
Oregon with 3 conference championships and another division championship. also 2 other tied for. A&M 0 conference 0 division
Oregon with 2 more NY6 bowls to go with the playoff and NC. 1 NY6 (1 cotton pre NY6)


I can already hear your argument so save it. A&M would easily win the PAC 12 if it was in it.
2021 10-7 win vs 4-8 colorado doesnt scream they would easily run through Utah, AZ st, UCLA, or Oregon
2017 Lost to a 6-7 UCLA team, 8 Pac 12 teams had better records than them.
2016 31-24 Over time to put away a 4-8 UCLA team
2015 solid win over Az st 38-17. Arizona State finished 6-7 4th in South and 9th out of 12. A&M probably contends in the south but the north was rough that year.

 

[fordman84]

over the last decade/
oregon with the better overall WL%
Oregon with a playoff win and a NC game appearance. A&M 0
Oregon with 3 conference championships and another division championship. also 2 other tied for. A&M 0 conference 0 division
Oregon with 2 more NY6 bowls to go with the playoff and NC. 1 NY6 (1 cotton pre NY6)


I can already hear your argument so save it. A&M would easily win the PAC 12 if it was in it.
2021 10-7 win vs 4-8 colorado doesnt scream they would easily run through Utah, AZ st, UCLA, or Oregon
2017 Lost to a 6-7 UCLA team, 8 Pac 12 teams had better records than them.
2016 31-24 Over time to put away a 4-8 UCLA team
2015 solid win over Az st 38-17. Arizona State finished 6-7 4th in South and 9th out of 12. A&M probably contends in the south but the north was rough that year.

Cool stats. Feel better? Can you tell me one time in the last decade A&M was picked to win the SEC West by major media outlets (or anyone but homers on message boards)? how about favored to win the SEC?
Can you provide those same stats for Oregon and their Pac division and the PAC12?

Not sure how a team that isn't picked to win their division and then fails to do so can be more overrated than a team that has been picked to win their division and then failed to do so. But maybe I'm missing something and you can research that for a few days and get back with me. TIA

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Oregon fans need to quit being so uppity. It’s questionable if they will even continue their football program after UGA gets done with them

 

[OlyDuck]

Cool stats. Feel better? Can you tell me one time in the last decade A&M was picked to win the SEC West by major media outlets (or anyone but homers on message boards)? how about favored to win the SEC?
Can you provide those same stats for Oregon and their Pac division and the PAC12?

Not sure how a team that isn't picked to win their division and then fails to do so can be more overrated than a team that has been picked to win their division and then failed to do so. But maybe I'm missing something and you can research that for a few days and get back with me. TIA

please review all posts and see how many times i used the term over rated and how many times you have in referencing any team.