USC and UCLA planning to leave for B10 by 2024!

[Tharvot]

The B1G could put more pressure on Notre Dame by threatening to end Notre Dame-USC series.

Eh, threatening to end series won't help attract ND. Their series with Michigan and Michigan State stopped with no big worry. If ND can't fit into USC's schedule every year, they will find someone else to play and move on.

The only thing that would truly force Notre Dame's hand would be exclusion from post season w/o a conference affiliation. Maybe that happens in the future when the SEC and B1G dominate everything about the sport, but its not gonna happen right now or in the immediate future.

 

[Locke888]

This is interesting. This helps determine who gets invited to ______ conference in the future.

 

[Deep Creek]

Zero

They are probably worth half of what they would need to generate an invite. Instead of 30mm a year they are probably only worth 15mm at best.

I'd find it very interesting if every school had to find out what they are actually worth "on their own" to networks....without any conference affiliation propping them up or bringing them down.

How much would Michigan State be worth?
How much is LSU worth?
How much is Stanford worth?
How much is Texas Tech worth?
How much is NC State worth?

 

[Volbound1700]

I'd find it very interesting if every school had to find out what they are actually worth "on their own" to networks....without any conference affiliation propping them up or bringing them down.

How much would Michigan State be worth?
How much is LSU worth?
How much is Stanford worth?
How much is Texas Tech worth?
How much is NC State worth?

Flavor of the month matters as well. If they have a low number next to their name and are in the Playoff hunt, I am sure they get more eyeballs.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I'd find it very interesting if every school had to find out what they are actually worth "on their own" to networks....without any conference affiliation propping them up or bringing them down.

How much would Michigan State be worth?
How much is LSU worth?
How much is Stanford worth?
How much is Texas Tech worth?
How much is NC State worth?

It’s deeper than that because it will change year to year. For instance Michigan was worth a lot more last year than they had been in previous years because people were interested and they had some top rated games which didn’t include Ohio State. Same can be said for Michigan State in that they started undefeated and a Heisman candidate running back at one point.

Texas and OU get great ratings for the RRR and OOC games but other than that it’s spotty.

For the last 3 years the most consistent ratings getters have been:

Notre Dame
Ohio State
Big SEC matchups

As a league the SEC as a whole out performs most everyone else but a lot of that has to do with low competition from Pro teams in SEC country. The team that has been impacted the most by a pro team is Tennessee.

SEC fans are going to watch SEC games because they don’t just want to watch their team they want to scout the others.

Now make Mississippi State or South Carolina an independent team and they are going to struggle. But a Georgia vs South Carolina game is always going to draw a decent rating (not blow the doors off but better than most standard conference games) even when neither is highly ranked.

Competition is a large factor. If you are the first game of the season the audience is going to be much larger than normal, same for Thanksgiving games and conference championships. They just don’t have the competition.

So it’s very subjective and the conference influences it a great deal as well as the time of day.

There is a reason that the B1G puts a lot of big games on at noon and that’s so they don’t go head to head with the SEC. The SEC has better ratings because most of their games are in prime time and usually the best game.

So many factors go into it. Alabama and Georgia don’t get their ratings without being part of the league. They would do better than most but the conference matters.

 

[Volbound1700]

It’s deeper than that because it will change year to year. For instance Michigan was worth a lot more last year than they had been in previous years because people were interested and they had some top rated games which didn’t include Ohio State. Same can be said for Michigan State in that they started undefeated and a Heisman candidate running back at one point.

Texas and OU get great ratings for the RRR and OOC games but other than that it’s spotty.

For the last 3 years the most consistent ratings getters have been:

Notre Dame
Ohio State
Big SEC matchups

As a league the SEC as a whole out performs most everyone else but a lot of that has to do with low competition from Pro teams in SEC country. The team that has been impacted the most by a pro team is Tennessee.

SEC fans are going to watch SEC games because they don’t just want to watch their team they want to scout the others.

Now make Mississippi State or South Carolina an independent team and they are going to struggle. But a Georgia vs South Carolina game is always going to draw a decent rating (not blow the doors off but better than most standard conference games) even when neither is highly ranked.

Competition is a large factor. If you are the first game of the season the audience is going to be much larger than normal, same for Thanksgiving games and conference championships. They just don’t have the competition.

So it’s very subjective and the conference influences it a great deal as well as the time of day.

There is a reason that the B1G puts a lot of big games on at noon and that’s so they don’t go head to head with the SEC. The SEC has better ratings because most of their games are in prime time and usually the best game.

So many factors go into it. Alabama and Georgia don’t get their ratings without being part of the league. They would do better than most but the conference matters.

Tennessee hasn't helped itself with its struggles. I think the Titans and Vols can live together and I watch both. However, the Titans were very good this season and Tennessee was vastly improved but no where on the level of the Titans. If the Titans are down, expect Vols to get more viewership.

I will also say Middle Tennessee is very bandwagon and you would be surprised how many Bama fans you see in Nashville area now. This wasn't the case pre-Saban.

A big factor is win-loss. Nashville Predators were on the verge of closing shop and had to get companies to bail them out in the Nashville area with donations. Then they had that drive to the NHL Finals and they have been a major hit in Nashville since because they have good teams. The ultimate way to get viewership is to win.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Tennessee hasn't helped itself with its struggles. I think the Titans and Vols can live together and I watch both. However, the Titans were very good this season and Tennessee was vastly improved but no where on the level of the Titans. If the Titans are down, expect Vols to get more viewership.

I will also say Middle Tennessee is very bandwagon and you would be surprised how many Bama fans you see in Nashville area now. This wasn't the case pre-Saban.

A big factor is win-loss. Nashville Predators were on the verge of closing shop and had to get companies to bail them out in the Nashville area with donations. Then they had that drive to the NHL Finals and they have been a major hit in Nashville since because they have good teams. The ultimate way to get viewership is to win.

All I can tell you is that in my opinion, the Titans helped clean up your fanbase. 25 years ago when you went to Knoxville it was a nasty venue with a pretty rough crowd around the stadium. I went probably 8 years ago after the Titans had become a thing and it was a totally different environment and much more family-friendly. I hated my first visit to Knoxville but my second I was very impressed and my conclusion was that the Titans had taken the riff-raff out of the fan base.

That is why I don't like going to NFL games as I find it to be too gladiatorish. The whole environment and vibe is completely different than a college game with no band, loud rock music everywhere, and people screaming for blood. The college game to me has always been much more rah-rah, more family-friendly and more sportsmanship-like. I'll watch the NFL on TV but I don't like being in the stadium as it just feels wrong when you are so used to the college game day experience.

 

[Volbound1700]

All I can tell you is that in my opinion, the Titans helped clean up your fanbase. 25 years ago when you went to Knoxville it was a nasty venue with a pretty rough crowd around the stadium. I went probably 8 years ago after the Titans had become a thing and it was a totally different environment and much more family-friendly. I hated my first visit to Knoxville but my second I was very impressed and my conclusion was that the Titans had taken the riff-raff out of the fan base.

That is why I don't like going to NFL games as I find it to be too gladiatorish. The whole environment and vibe is completely different than a college game with no band, loud rock music everywhere, and people screaming for blood. The college game to me has always been much more rah-rah, more family-friendly and more sportsmanship-like. I'll watch the NFL on TV but I don't like being in the stadium as it just feels wrong when you are so used to the college game day experience.

Possibly but I think most of that fanbase became Alabama fans

Middle Tennessee is very different than East Tennessee, however. East Tennessee (Chattanooga, Knoxville, and Tri Cities areas) are really the core of the Tennessee fanbase. Middle Tennessee has always been very fickle. West Tennessee is also so far away that you get Arkansas, Ole Miss, etc. fans in that region.

The Titans seem to be the unifying factor, however. Nearly all of the fanbases in the area root for the Titans. Predators also have a large following now.

Win-Loss is everything. Vanderbilt even starting selling out games with Vandy fans when they had James Franklin.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Eh, threatening to end series won't help attract ND. Their series with Michigan and Michigan State stopped with no big worry. If ND can't fit into USC's schedule every year, they will find someone else to play and move on.

The only thing that would truly force Notre Dame's hand would be exclusion from post season w/o a conference affiliation. Maybe that happens in the future when the SEC and B1G dominate everything about the sport, but its not gonna happen right now or in the immediate future.

The issue with the "ND will just find someone else to play and move on" is -- With the super conferences, the pickings will be slim on who they could schedule. Also -- the USC game is a huge game for them, they have played roughly 90 times since 1926. It isn't a game you just stop. It is also why, if ND joins a conference, it will almost assuredly be the B1G.

 

[Tharvot]

The issue with the "ND will just find someone else to play and move on" is -- With the super conferences, the pickings will be slim on who they could schedule. Also -- the USC game is a huge game for them, they have played roughly 90 times since 1926. It isn't a game you just stop. It is also why, if ND joins a conference, it will almost assuredly be the B1G.

One would think so, yes. But ND has demonstrated in the past that they will not join a conference for football unless they are absolutely forced to. I've become so jaded on the subject that im in the "believe it when i see it" category when it comes to ND joining anything.

 

[Volbound1700]

The issue with the "ND will just find someone else to play and move on" is -- With the super conferences, the pickings will be slim on who they could schedule. Also -- the USC game is a huge game for them, they have played roughly 90 times since 1926. It isn't a game you just stop. It is also why, if ND joins a conference, it will almost assuredly be the B1G.

Prior to USC, I would think ACC would have been best fit for Notre Dame. However, after recent expansion, I have to agree. Notre Dame has no realistic option other than B1G.

 

[Volbound1700]

One would think so, yes. But ND has demonstrated in the past that they will not join a conference for football unless they are absolutely forced to. I've become so jaded on the subject that im in the "believe it when i see it" category when it comes to ND joining anything.

but... Notre Dame will join Big12:

 

[Deep Creek]

Flavor of the month matters as well. If they have a low number next to their name and are in the Playoff hunt, I am sure they get more eyeballs.

I know each team’s value would fluctuate year to year. But the drunk fowl said he thought Wazzou and Oregon State would be worth only about 15 million. I can think of a lot of schools that are similar to them or worse.

In fact, I’m not sure any school left in the Big 12 would be worth much more than either of those two. Maybe Kansa because of Hoops and BYU’s LDS connection. But the rest……Schools like K-State, TCU, Houston, Iowa State and the rest of the Big 12 (and some in other conferences) are very similar to those two…at least value wise IMHO.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

One would think so, yes. But ND has demonstrated in the past that they will not join a conference for football unless they are absolutely forced to. I've become so jaded on the subject that im in the "believe it when i see it" category when it comes to ND joining anything.

It didn't make sense to them on the financial side. With the super conferences and the ridiculous amount of money they will bring in for those schools -- it'd make no sense not to join a conference.

I'm with you though on the "i will believe it when I see it".

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Prior to USC, I would think ACC would have been best fit for Notre Dame. However, after recent expansion, I have to agree. Notre Dame has no realistic option other than B1G.

I'd think the B1G would be the obvious choice. They've had long standing series in the past with Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue and they are located right in the middle of the B1G footprint.

 

[Thiefery]

ND is going to march to the beat of it's own drummer. It makes sense for them to join the BiG if they decide to finally join a conference for it's football team. But nothing would shock me.. maybe ESPN throws them LHN money for them to continue their relationship with the ACC, and schedules more future SEC opponents..

 

[Red_Alert]

Notre Dame can hold out as long as they want and not worry about being locked out by anyone.

They are the only crown jewel blueblood left to be had, and they can take as long as they want before finally committing to something other than their Independence.

 

[Deep Creek]

Notre Dame can hold out as long as they want and not worry about being locked out by anyone.

They are the only crown jewel blueblood left to be had, and they can take as long as they want before finally committing to something other than their Independence.

If I were Notre Dame I'd sit back and watch/listen to the conjecture just to be ornery. Some might consider it arrogant. I'd consider it good comedy entertainment.

 

[Volbound1700]

If you really think about it, USC and UCLA waiting until the last minute to make the announcement was kind of a dick move because it hurt the ability for other teams to leave the league. It also really didn't make a lot of sense as to why they couldn't do it earlier.

 

[NU_WTF?]

i have a generac ...and power doesn't go out here unless it's hurricane season

I dont believe you. Spray paint your user name on it and take a picture then upload it here