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I made a reference to him in another thread about Kansas and how Kansas hasn't done anything in football since he was there. He looks like a genius right now based on where the Kansas program is currently versus where it was when he coached them.
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Who says they are? Not in football.
The Big East doesn't make crap per team.
How much money is the NCAA Tournament worth to the Big East?
When you are a basketball first conference, NCAA Tournament success is vital to the financial stability of the individual members.
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Quick googling shows they get about $5-$10 million per team, per year. That's it.
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What if you are planning on cutting out the NCAA and taking all the money.
Do they have any value then ???
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That thread was more about how the ACC still has a decade left before it dies. It wasn't really about expansion
Either way, the only way the ACC survives is if they add the CHARLOTTE 49ers #GoNiners
Either way, the only way the ACC survives is if they add the CHARLOTTE 49ers #GoNiners
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Read something interesting about the Big East. The are/were the only football conference to have a winning record against the SEC.
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Here's my plan to save the ACC:
- It comes down to getting Notre Dame. If the ACC can't get ND, it won't survive. Can't play hardball with them, Notre Dame will just walk away. The ACC has to offer ND something they can't say no too. What does ND want? National Profile for Recruiting and their ability to play their rivals
1) The ACC already has a strong presence across the Eastern Seaboard. In order to enhance the national profile of the ACC, add Stanford, Oregon, Washington and California. This will give ND to play games in the Northeast, Southeast and the West Coast.
2) Rivals - ACC already has Boston College and the Stanford addition is another Notre Dame rival. Notre Dame can be offered membership and the ability to choose the 18th member. If the Navy rivalry is important, Navy can join the ACC for football only. If Notre Dame wants a Texas presence, we can move in that direction.
This offer gives ND something that the Big Ten can't, the ability to play in the south regularly, while maintaining their traditional rivalries. USC is the only annual rival that is OOC and that can continue to be played. This conference would also have 5 teams that have made the CFP, more than any other conference.
Hurry up and get this post to commissioner Phillips and let's save the ACC!
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Ok then it's up to you to beat some sense into him
I've been thinking along the same line. If the BIG won't take Oregon/Washington then why not the ACC and include Cal and Standford to give the west coast it's own pod. With or without ND, it's still a good TV product even if it's not making as much money as SEC / BIG. After that 15 years is plenty of time to figure out the next move after 2036, so there's no need to panic.
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It may not be enough to get ND but you mine as well go out swinging right?
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The NCAA pretty much owns March Madness. The talk is to split off the CFP ... football only and leave hoops to the NCAA.
I understood that the current contract with ESPN could be renegotiated if more teams are added. I see this as the best way to go, but any team joining would know that the conference days are numbered unless ESPN really comes up with bigger money. And I don't see that happening.
As for the GOR, it is doing what it was designed to do - keep teams from leaving. This has always been the case but it hasn't seemed to stop all this shitty speciation of SEC going after teams X and Y B1G going after teams A, B, C.
They never were. Both B1G and SEC know going after ACC teams is a non starter for another decade. Speculation is one thing, but morons pretending they have "sources" claiming this and that are full of shit.
As for the GOR, it is doing what it was designed to do - keep teams from leaving. This has always been the case but it hasn't seemed to stop all this shitty speciation of SEC going after teams X and Y B1G going after teams A, B, C.
They never were. Both B1G and SEC know going after ACC teams is a non starter for another decade. Speculation is one thing, but morons pretending they have "sources" claiming this and that are full of shit.
Depends on the conference. Not a snowball chance in hell for GT to get into SEC, but there is still a chance to make it into B1G, but not for the normal reasons- maybe #3 on the ACC list.
Does FSU, Miami, or Clemson actually make it into SEC? Or the better question is if they will in 10 years? I don't see it. If they bring enough value to pull their own weight, OK but that's another 10 years not making half what SCAR and UF are raking in, the gap will just widen. It isn't about wins for SEC, it's about $$$, so in 10 years will these brands in small markets bring in enough to not dilute the payouts in the conference? Miami is a good market, but the others aren't. What's their attraction? Good teams? That will always wax and wan, not a good reason to add, IMO.
Besides, looking at the SEC now, I can see absolutely no incentive to expand anywhere/anymore. They are set. If the want more teams, maybe grabbing UNC and UVA. New markets in new areas and UNC is a good acquisition. I throw in a team from Virginia to make it an even number and UVA isn't a bad get either.
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If 8 leaving the ACC causes the GOR to blow up, then the SEC and Big XII combined can do that NOW.
SEC grabs 4: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia.
Big XII grabs 4 or even 6: Miami, Georgia Tech, NC State, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Louisville.
Plus the Big XII could increase to 22 members by also grabbing Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado.
With the destruction of the ACC under the above scenario, ND finally joins the B1G, along with Stanford, Oregon, and Washington.
The ACC has 4 left out: Duke, Wake, Syracuse, BC
The PAC has 3 left out: Cal, Oregon State, Washington State
Perhaps the B1G increases to 22 if it sees value in also grabbing Duke and Cal.
So... after the dust settles, we end up with a 22 member Big XII, a 22 member B1G, and a 20 member SEC in this hypothetical scenario with both the ACC & PAC going bye-bye.
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Teams aren't jumping to the B12 unless they have too. The B12 would love to grab the teams you mentioned plus the PAC teams and have east west divisions. But those ACC teams aren’t going to jump out of the GOR for equal/a bit more pay but a ton more travel costs when in 10 plus years they could probably get into the B12 anyway.
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I think 8 leaving like that voids the GOR for those that stayed. The 8 that left would still be held to it
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Yeah but if it puts you in position to kill the NCAA and capture the basketball post season that is worth at least a billion in todays dollars.
Don’t be so sure the SEC and B1G don’t have their sights on that down the road. They could eventually literally own post season play and the money it generates in all sports.
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I was thinking the same.
Why in the world do you take UCLA.