Who is the next Clemson?

Who is the next Clemson?

  • Texas A&M

    Votes: 11 52.4%

  • West Virginia

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Oklahoma State

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Colorado

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Louisville

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • NC State

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Arizona/Arizona State

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Kansas State

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Michigan State

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Iowa

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Ole Miss

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Arkansas

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • BYU

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Washington

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Total voters
    21
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Basically Clemson was a program that 10 years ago would not be considered ELITE. Now they are one of the strongest programs year-in and year-out. Who is the next Clemson? I listed a few programs that may fit that criteria in the poll.

I did not list other regular Title Contenders, Blue Bloods that lost their way, or Oregon/Wisconsin because the later two are just unique.
 
I think these teams set up well, because of the money involved.
I don't see any of those other schools having enough money in a few years to put something like that together.

aTm
MSU
Iowa
Ole Miss
Arkansas
 
outofyourmind said:
I think these teams set up well, because of the money involved.
I don't see any of those other schools having enough money in a few years to put something like that together.

aTm
MSU
Iowa
Ole Miss
Arkansas
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I'm not seeing MSU, Iowa, or Ole Miss getting there. Arkansas has a pretty good Coach though but I don't see it out of them.
That leaves Texas A&M
 
Volbound1700 said:
Basically Clemson was a program that 10 years ago would not be considered ELITE. Now they are one of the strongest programs year-in and year-out. Who is the next Clemson? I listed a few programs that may fit that criteria in the poll.

I did not list other regular Title Contenders, Blue Bloods that lost their way, or Oregon/Wisconsin because the later two are just unique.
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Just wondering, what makes Oregon/Wisconsin unique?
 
Kburjr said:
Just wondering, what makes Oregon/Wisconsin unique?
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You guys are regular contenders but don't have the crown.

Basically, it would not be much of a stretch to see either take it to the next level so it wouldn't be as much of a "out of no where" pick like Clemson's rise.
 
outofyourmind said:
I'm not seeing MSU, Iowa, or Ole Miss getting there. Arkansas has a pretty good Coach though but I don't see it out of them.
That leaves Texas A&M
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True. I am almost wondering if they won't come out of the B1G and SEC, however. These teams have to compete against a lot of elite teams already in their league.

Clemson only had one elite rival at the time of their rise (FSU), one constant rebuild power (Miami), and some average programs that could scare but were not going to dominate you (Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State, and Pittsburgh).

Even from a recruiting situation, it also helped Clemson that Florida and Tennessee entered a suck period (especially Tennessee who lost a lot of recruits to Clemson for a variety of reasons).
 
When Oklahoma began it's rise to power, in the 1940's, success came because their was a Shit Ton of money behind it.
 
Volbound1700 said:
You guys are regular contenders but don't have the crown.

Basically, it would not be much of a stretch to see either take it to the next level so it wouldn't be as much of a "out of no where" pick like Clemson's rise.
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Granted @Kburjr, I could include both. Especially since Oregon and Wisconsin are a little down versus past years right now but it just wouldn't be as fun to speculate.
 
outofyourmind said:
When Oklahoma began it's rise to power, in the 1940's, success came because their was a Shit Ton of money behind it.
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Tennessee's rise (which started in 1920s) was thanks to Bob Neyland. Basically a great coach. In fact, Neyland is a huge reason for Tennessee's success as a program. We are a different program without him.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Tennessee's rise (which started in 1920s) was thanks to Bob Neyland. Basically a great coach. In fact, Neyland is a huge reason for Tennessee's success as a program. We are a different program without him.
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Agreed
However, great success always comes from huge amounts of money AND the right Coach. imo

And out of that list, I'm seeing A&M spending the money.
 
outofyourmind said:
I think these teams set up well, because of the money involved.
I don't see any of those other schools having enough money in a few years to put something like that together.

aTm
MSU
Iowa
Ole Miss
Arkansas
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Aggie solely due to the money their boosters have and the absolute desperation to be part of that blue bloods club. But all of these schools have the same problem: they're in conference with super powers already.

To "be the next Clemson", it really takes a perfect mix of hiring the right coach, recruiting the right talent, and being in a 1-team conference where really its only you that runs the show...also helps if you can land generational players at QB for 6-7 years in a row.

Oregon was on track prior to Chip Kelly leaving, but they could never win the big one.
 
A&M has the best shot imo. Everything is there EXCEPT that they play in a more difficult conference.

Tennessee has a shot as well
 
outofyourmind said:
Agreed
However, great success always comes from huge amounts of money AND the right Coach. imo

And out of that list, I'm seeing A&M spending the money.
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I voted for A&M too although I could see other options on the list. West Virginia seems to stick out to me because they were kind of making the climb in the latter days of the Big East.
 
CoalTrain said:
A&M has the best shot imo. Everything is there EXCEPT that they play in a more difficult conference.

Tennessee has a shot as well
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Tennessee wasn't included due to Blue Blood status.

Here is the list of teams that I think have tasted that success or are considered Elite enough to not fall into Clemson Category: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miami, FSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Clemson (irony), USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Texas. Probably someone that I am missing on this list, my apologies.
 
Volbound1700 said:
True. I am almost wondering if they won't come out of the B1G and SEC, however. These teams have to compete against a lot of elite teams already in their league.

Clemson only had one elite rival at the time of their rise (FSU), one constant rebuild power (Miami), and some average programs that could scare but were not going to dominate you (Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State, and Pittsburgh).

Even from a recruiting situation, it also helped Clemson that Florida and Tennessee entered a suck period (especially Tennessee who lost a lot of recruits to Clemson for a variety of reasons).
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I was about to post some of this ... what is it that makes Clemson, Clemson?

- They have a dynamic coach who had no previous experience.
- That coach was given a ton of time to learn how to coach.
- They had a natty in the past, and a passionate fanbase - they aren't newbies to CFB.
- They had a clear path to the CFP by being in a shitty conference with no competition.
- They were in a good recruiting area - not SC per se, but Georgia, SC, NC, TN, and FL.

The 4th is the most important and excludes any SEC or B1G team. Will have to come from the ACC, PAC, or B12. The PAC teams will have a problem with recruiting territory, but let's go Oregon from the PAC. The B12 ... maybe Baylor? The ACC could be FSU or Miami, but they don't meet your requirements. Realistically, that leaves Oregon. Throw in Utah as a wildcard, however unlikely.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I was about to post some of this ... what is it that makes Clemson, Clemson?

- They have a dynamic coach who had no previous experience.
- That coach was given a ton of time to learn how to coach.
- They had a natty in the past, and a passionate fanbase - they aren't newbies to CFB.
- They had a clear path to the CFP by being in a shitty conference with no competition.
- They were in a good recruiting area - not SC per se, but Georgia, SC, NC, TN, and FL.

The 4th is the most important and excludes any SEC or B1G team. Will have to come from the ACC, PAC, or B12. The PAC teams will have a problem with recruiting territory, but let's go Oregon from the PAC. The B12 ... maybe Baylor? The ACC could be FSU or Miami, but they don't meet your requirements. Realistically, that leaves Oregon. Throw in Utah as a wildcard, however unlikely.
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It is more about perception. No one would have said Clemson was ELITE until Dabo Swinney era. If not for 2010, Auburn would be a good candidate for the list. However, Auburn has been pretty stout in modern era (along with LSU).

To me, LSU kind of had a Clemson-like rise starting in 2001. LSU might be a Clemson of the past because LSU was a forgotten program for a long time.
 
outofyourmind said:
I'm sorry, but I'm just not seeing a current 'door mat' becoming the next Clemson
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They have strong fan support like Clemson and money.

However, I think you are correct as long as they are stuck in Big12, mostly due to travel wearing their teams down.
 
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