USC and UCLA planning to leave for B10 by 2024!

OlyDuck said:
Oregon is getting kids from the south, from the east, from Big 10 states, from Texas.
and places like Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State Clemson get kids from the west.
majority are still going to be regional sure but it already happens and yes i think there would be an increase
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1. Don't use Michigan as an example, because we aren't offering NIL deals to recruits and it is being reported Dante Moore was offered $1.5 million by Oregon. Anyone who offers money to Michigan kids right now will sign them away from UM. MSU is another story -- they aren't stuck in the stone age like UM and actually offer NIL money.

2. Getting kids from the South and getting the kids from the South that teams like Bama and Georgia get are two different things. Michigan has signed kids from Alabama -- it is the kids those schools aren't going for.

3. Same with Texas -- you mentioned signing two kids from Texas. You signed the 9th best WR.................not the 9th best WR in 2023 class nationally, the 9th best WR from the state of Texas. And the other kid you signed from Texas was the 62nd ranked in the state of Texas. Both could turn out to be great players, but it isn't like you stole these kids from Texas.

4. There is a big difference signing a player with an offer from a Bama, Georgia, OSU, etc., compared to signing a player being actively recruited by them. An offer is simply an offer. A team isn't going to rescind an offer and these schools will put those offers out when the kids are 13, 14, 15 years old. If they aren't interest -- they simply stop contacting the kid or let them know they filled the spot they had for him


I am not trying to knock Oregon -- I think Oregon is a great school. Personally I hope they get added to the B1G -- it'd make for some great games to watch. I am just pointing out the obvious to you in regards to recruiting and pulling recruits out of the football hotbeds. Now with Nike -- i'm sure you may be able to pull some kids with NIL deals, so we have to see how that all ends up playing out.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
2. Getting kids from the South and getting the kids from the South that teams like Bama and Georgia get are two different things. Michigan has signed kids from Alabama -- it is the kids those schools aren't going for.
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I think you are looking at this too narrowly. If we're talking about Oregon actually being in the SEC, they will very likely get some of those kids that Bama and Georgia usually get.

Currently, those kids aren't choosing Oregon because they would get maybe 1 game played in SEC country about every other year, if that. Oregon being in the SEC would change that equation and likely make more of those kids willing to go to Oregon, especially if there's a strong NIL deal involved.

Hell, with the transfer portal, they may give Oregon a shot because they know that if they decide they don't like Oregon, they can transfer to Bama or Georgia.
 
The travel along would guarantee Oregon 2-3 upset losses a year. Look what travel did to West Virginia. You would be on an island by yourself.
 
Volbound1700 said:
The travel along would guarantee Oregon 2-3 upset losses a year. Look what travel did to West Virginia. You would be on an island by yourself.
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Maybe for the Olympic sports which can have 2-3 games/meets/matches a week. But even that can be adjusted some. Won't be as big a deal for football which only has 1 game per week.

Also, the conference is probably the most ''spread out'', so they are used to travel. Scheduling can help with that too.
 
trojanfan12 said:
Maybe for the Olympic sports which can have 2-3 games/meets/matches a week. But even that can be adjusted some. Won't be as big a deal for football which only has 1 game per week.

Also, the conference is probably the most ''spread out'', so they are used to travel. Scheduling can help with that too.
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While I agree with Pac12 being spread out, the EST opponents will still be a MAJOR headache for Oregon due to 3-hour difference.

Let's assume the SEC is generous to Oregon and won't schedule a noontime game, that might help a little. Here is the thing, Oregon hasn't really been that good the last 5-10 years, not good enough to make a splash in the SEC consistently. Chip Kelly's Oregon teams would have been competitive but modern Oregon would struggle. To what level, I am unsure of. You would have to give me an exact schedule with teams to compare.

Ultimately, this is all speculation and there are so many variables that it is hard to tell. We are dealing with young kids and a game that sometimes requires luck to win.
 
trojanfan12 said:
I think you are looking at this too narrowly. If we're talking about Oregon actually being in the SEC, they will very likely get some of those kids that Bama and Georgia usually get.

Currently, those kids aren't choosing Oregon because they would get maybe 1 game played in SEC country about every other year, if that. Oregon being in the SEC would change that equation and likely make more of those kids willing to go to Oregon, especially if there's a strong NIL deal involved.

Hell, with the transfer portal, they may give Oregon a shot because they know that if they decide they don't like Oregon, they can transfer to Bama or Georgia.
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The bigger point he's missing, and the reason the Pac is at least considering SDSU, is the relationships coaches can get with local HS coaching staffs when they travel there every few years. You can't get that kind of network from afar. At least not at the level needed to keep interest up in your program year after year from hotbed districts of football.

Any team joining the B1G or SEC would for sure be able to establish relationships they really can't now and get at least some sort of increase of player in that region because of it.
 
Wizardhawk said:
The bigger point he's missing, and the reason the Pac is at least considering SDSU, is the relationships coaches can get with local HS coaching staffs when they travel there every few years. You can't get that kind of network from afar. At least not at the level needed to keep interest up in your program year after year from hotbed districts of football.

Any team joining the B1G or SEC would for sure be able to establish relationships they really can't now and get at least some sort of increase of player in that region because of it.
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SDSU makes sense for pack because they are the only remaining Division I College program in Southern California. Granted it is a different city (San Diego vs. Los Angeles).
 
Volbound1700 said:
SDSU makes sense for pack because they are the only remaining Division I College program in Southern California. Granted it is a different city (San Diego vs. Los Angeles).
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If the PAC wants to try to remain a conference and isn't going to merge with the Big 12, which I think is a mistake by both conferences, then it seems SDSU and BYU should be added. SDSU keeps a footprint in SoCal. BYU has been treated as something of a de facto P5 opponent by the P5 conferences for years anyway and brings a rivalry game with Utah.

Outside of that, it seems they'd have go back to a 10 team conference and a round robin 9 game schedule with no CCG.
 
outofyourmind said:
Who has the most National Championships out of the 10 left ???
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trojanfan12 said:
CAL-1920, 1921, 1922, 1923 and 1937
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Probably better than those that will be in the Big 12. I ain’t a very good Googler but the only natty I recall from them is BYU’s controversial one in the ‘80s. Maybe TCU’s in the Sammy Baugh days? Did WVU have any?
 
Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Texas A&M
vs.
TCU, BYU, , West Virginia, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF,

The Big XII is just a number now. Nothing "Big" about it. I hate to see it happen but it DID happen. This is like a town that the Interstate passed and there is no exit ramp to the old downtown. The town withers. The only chance the "Big" XII has to survive in a healthy way is to poach Oregon and Washington. But that leaves a conference across 3 time zones and a culture that is not homogeneous. If someone wants a no-shit realistic third conference to counterbalance the SEC and B1G, the only way to do it is if the PAC does a raid and builds a new core of legitimate programs.
 
Deep Creek said:
Probably better than those that will be in the Big 12. I ain’t a very good Googler but the only natty I recall from them is BYU’s controversial one in the ‘80s. Maybe TCU’s in the Sammy Baugh days? Did WVU have any?
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Negative :tsk:
 
Goldbug said:
Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Texas A&M
vs.
TCU, BYU, , West Virginia, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF,

The Big XII is just a number now. Nothing "Big" about it. I hate to see it happen but it DID happen. This is like a town that the Interstate passed and there is no exit ramp to the old downtown. The town withers. The only chance the "Big" XII has to survive in a healthy way is to poach Oregon and Washington. But that leaves a conference across 3 time zones and a culture that is not homogeneous. If someone wants a no-shit realistic third conference to counterbalance the SEC and B1G, the only way to do it is if the PAC does a raid and builds a new core of legitimate programs.
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lol

Once the B1G and SEC are done raiding the ACC and PAC the B12 will be that third conference. Just take the leftovers and be that 3rd wheel.
 
ralphiewvu said:
lol

Once the B1G and SEC are done raiding the ACC and PAC the B12 will be that third conference. Just take the leftovers and be that 3rd wheel.
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You're desperate to keep what little you can salvage out of a weak Big 12. We get it. Time zones, culture, eyeballs, whatever are irrelevant when you're trying to survive and patch something together to save your skin. When Oklahoma State is likely the best football program left in a conference the handwriting is on the wall and the future is bleak when you're up against teams that will be raking in nearly twice as much as West Virginia can hope for. I'd probably be acting the same way you are if it was Oklahoma in your situation.
 
trojanfan12 said:
Outside of that, it seems they'd have go back to a 10 team conference and a round robin 9 game schedule with no CCG.
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Why no CCG?

The rules were changed years ago to allow conf with less than 12 to have a CCG of their top 2 teams provided they have a round robin schedule. Why would the Pac10 play a round robin and forgo that CCG?

The rule was changed after the Big 12 had co-champions in '14? I think and it cost them consideration for the playoffs. It would be dumb for the Pac to ignore having one.
 
Do I think the Pac should add more when USC/UCLA leaves? Sure, but for the TV revenue considerations, not CCG reasons. 10 is still the best format IMO and I'd love to see us stay at that level and play every team again, but money is the driver of this bus and it dictates you need a larger number of schools and TV footprints.
 
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