Big 12 thread

ralphiewvu · Jul 25, 2022

Wild Turkey said:
Honestly Oregon and Washington don’t have to do anything for about a year. Even if 4 other schools agree to join the Big 12 they can wait it out if they want. It’s not like the B12 is going to say no.

They will definitely try to get in without signing a GOR but I don’t see the B12 doing that so it will be a wait game. By this time next year we’ll know what is happening and they will make a move contractually.

Potential Dominoes:

1. NBC signs a renewal deal with ND. That will keep the ACC together. Or they don’t offer enough and ND starts talking to the B1G. I think they renew

2. Utah, AZ, ASU and Colorado bolt for the Big 12. Or the PAC decides to stay together.

3. The PAC and Big 12 sign new network deals.

All of the above is in play.

God I hope that second sentence in #2 doesn’t come true.

Knight&Day · Jul 25, 2022

OlyDuck said:
unquestioned? when OU and UT leave there will 100% be question

Not really. If you only look at FB (mostly just actual on-field results), anyway.

Besides Clemson, who else does the ACC have? Pitt, NCST and maaaaybe WF?

Pac has Oregon, Utah, and maaaaybe ASU?

Big XII is the clear #3.

OlyDuck · Jul 25, 2022

Knight&Day said:
Not really. If you only look at FB (mostly just actual on-field results), anyway.

Besides Clemson, who else does the ACC have? Pitt, NCST and maaaaybe WF?

Pac has Oregon, Utah, and maaaaybe ASU?

Big XII is the clear #3.

unknown quantities.
Big XII all those teams coming in are unlikely to maintain the exact same level of success and have the remaining teams also have success. do you honestly think that Cinci, Houston, OK state, Baylor, Oklahoma, and BYU will all hit 10 wins in the same season? Big 10 and SEC only had 4 each.
teams will rise and fall.
a couple years ago Pac also had Stanford and UW and WSU hitting 9 or 10 wins or more per season.

Thiefery · Jul 25, 2022

OlyDuck said:
unknown quantities.
Big XII all those teams coming in are unlikely to maintain the exact same level of success and have the remaining teams also have success. do you honestly think that Cinci, Houston, OK state, Baylor, Oklahoma, and BYU will all hit 10 wins in the same season? Big 10 and SEC only had 4 each.
teams will rise and fall.
a couple years ago Pac also had Stanford and UW and WSU hitting 9 or 10 wins or more per season.

I don't think any of the Big12 schools will even recruit as good as they did with both UT and ou in the conference.. Think the only realistic school that can probably benefit in recruiting is Tech and that's because they have some boosters with deep pockets that are raising the floor for every player on the football roster. 25k doesn't seem much but it's guaranteed starting floor for every player on that team... and they want to increase it yearly.

WhosYourDawggy · Jul 25, 2022

Knight&Day said:
Not really. If you only look at FB (mostly just actual on-field results), anyway.

Besides Clemson, who else does the ACC have? Pitt, NCST and maaaaybe WF?

Pac has Oregon, Utah, and maaaaybe ASU?

Big XII is the clear #3.

Up until 5 minutes ago, I would have agreed 100% with you, bet the house. Then I read this:

Mandel: Pac-12's TV numbers indicate its future might not be so dire

Television numbers indicate the Pac-12 isn't necessarily in a weaker position than the Big 12.

theathletic.com

It's a paywall, but it basically says the PAC, without UCLA and USC are better off. There are a number of reasons, but 2 stand out to me:

- The simple fact is that OUT and TX are much better revenue draws than USC and UCLA, at least in the past 6 years when they sucked. This means the B12 is losing more from their two departing teams. It's kind of a back-handed insult to USC and UCLA.

- PAC after Dark - evidently it really draws the eyeballs.

Taking the games against the teams that are leaving out of the counts, here are the average viewers:

Innermind · Jul 26, 2022

This limbo between the PAC and Big XII is the fault of the B1G.

If the B1G wanted to go to the west coast then they should've done it all the way instead of partial/half measures. The B1G should've also grabbed Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal in one swoop to increase to 20 members.

If that would've happened then the Big XII could've finished off the PAC by grabbing Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado... leaving Oregon State and Washington State for the MWC.

And then in the future when the SEC, B1G, and Big XII decide to take apart the ACC.... the B1G would increase to 22 members by getting Notre Dame and Virginia... the SEC would also increase to 22 members by grabbing Florida State, Miami, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, and Louisville... and the Big XII would increase to 20 members by grabbing Georgia Tech, NC State, Pitt, and San Diego State... leaving Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and Boston College for the Big East (joining BE football playing members UConn, Villanova, Butler, and Georgetown to form a BE football conference)

Thiefery · Jul 26, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
Up until 5 minutes ago, I would have agreed 100% with you, bet the house. Then I read this:

Mandel: Pac-12's TV numbers indicate its future might not be so dire

Television numbers indicate the Pac-12 isn't necessarily in a weaker position than the Big 12.

theathletic.com

It's a paywall, but it basically says the PAC, without UCLA and USC are better off. There are a number of reasons, but 2 stand out to me:

- The simple fact is that OUT and TX are much better revenue draws than USC and UCLA, at least in the past 6 years when they sucked. This means the B12 is losing more from their two departing teams. It's kind of a back-handed insult to USC and UCLA.

- PAC after Dark - evidently it really draws the eyeballs.

Taking the games against the teams that are leaving out of the counts, here are the average viewers:

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the remainder Big12 fans on twitter and the accounts who follow Big12 sports are shitting on Mandel for being a Pac12 lover lol

But I read that article earlier and he made some good points

outofyourmind · Jul 26, 2022

Thiefery said:
the remainder Big12 fans on twitter and the accounts who follow Big12 sports are shitting on Mandel for being a Pac12 lover lol

But I read that article earlier and he made some good points

When the 'Anchors' of a Conference leave, who want's to watch whats left ???
Answer,,,, not many.

So it doesn't really matter what those numbers are.

OlyDuck · Jul 26, 2022

outofyourmind said:
When the 'Anchors' of a Conference leave, who want's to watch whats left ???
Answer,,,, not many.

So it doesn't really matter what those numbers are.

Anchors? maybe in the case of Oklahoma and the Big XII im not sure i would call USC and UCLA the anchors of the Pac

outofyourmind · Jul 26, 2022

OlyDuck said:
not sure i would call USC and UCLA the anchors of the Pac

Yes
You are right.
There was only 1 Anchor in the PAC

OlyDuck · Jul 26, 2022

outofyourmind said:
Yes
You are right.
There was only 1 Anchor in the PAC

Anchor holds things down. Oklahoma did that for the Big XII making numerous playoffs.
who do you see as holding it down the for the Pac?

Red_Alert · Jul 26, 2022

OlyDuck said:
Anchors? maybe in the case of Oklahoma and the Big XII im not sure i would call USC and UCLA the anchors of the Pac

I know you don't get it and likely never will, but an "anchor" is a blueblood. Bluebloods are all-time winning programs.

USC is a blueblood, therefore the "anchor" of the PAC.

That's why the Big 10 and SEC have been consolidating bluebloods for media rights boosts.

9 of the Top 10 winningest programs now belong to the Big 10 and SEC

The only remaining crown jewel to be gotten is Notre Dame.

Red_Alert · Jul 26, 2022

OlyDuck said:
Anchor holds things down. Oklahoma did that for the Big XII making numerous playoffs.
who do you see as holding it down the for the Pac?

Correct.

The PAC is going to wither without USC as the "anchor".

You'll see.

Deep Creek · Jul 26, 2022

OlyDuck said:
Anchors? maybe in the case of Oklahoma and the Big XII im not sure i would call USC and UCLA the anchors of the Pac

If USC and UCLA aren’t the PAC’s anchors, who is?

Kevin12773 · Jul 26, 2022

Deep Creek said:
If USC and UCLA aren’t the PAC’s anchors, who is?

Red_Alert · Jul 26, 2022

@OlyDuck

The PAC only has one of the Top 20 winningest programs remaining.

The other 19 are in the Big 10, SEC, ACC, or Independent.

Hint.... That one remaining in the PAC is NOT Oregon.

OlyDuck · Jul 26, 2022

Deep Creek said:
If USC and UCLA aren’t the PAC’s anchors, who is?

in the last decade plus there hasnt really been one

gobigred · Jul 26, 2022

Deep Creek said:
If USC and UCLA aren’t the PAC’s anchors, who is?

Kevin12773 said:

Come on, don’t you know it’s about the uniforms, not the wins ?

Skooooo Ducks

Red_Alert · Jul 26, 2022

OlyDuck said:
in the last decade plus there hasnt really been one

According to media rights contracts there has.

OlyDuck · Jul 26, 2022

Red_Alert said:
According to media rights contracts there is.

being the most valuable doesnt make them an anchor. just the most valuable. the 2 things arent mutually exclusive. being a "blue blood" doesnt make them an anchor. that is a true statement across the Big XII, Big Ten and SEC. but not so much the Pac and ACC.