Arch Manning news ...

Thiefery · Jul 27, 2022

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
And defensively -- Texas is atrocious. So why would elite defensive recruits head there, unless they are from the state? Texas has been one of the worst tackling teams i've seen in CFB over the last 5-10 years.

Elite defensive recruits want to play with other elite defensive recruits on elite teams. Georgia showed last year what they can with those players on defense.

Do they now?

Welp I guess some just have bigger nuts than you and will come to Texas, regardless

NinerSpartan · Jul 27, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
I know this is going to seem like sour grapes, but it's not. We didn't get Manning, we will be fine.

Prior to not getting Manning, I questioned the "pied piper" effect that he would have no matter where he went. I asked on a UGA board for anyone to name a player that was genuinely a pied piper. The top player mentioned was Justin Fields. 2018 was our first no. 1 class, and it was the third best all time, even after ATM last year. But we really couldn't point to that many players that came to UGA just because of Fields. Most were already leaning toward UGA and that just cemented their choice.

So, what about Manning? Did he really pull all that many good players to Texas? I'll let @Thiefery provide more depth and context as he knows way more about Texas recruiting than I do. But let's recall that Texas was already able to recruit well:

Per the 247 Composite:

2023 - est. top 5
2022 - 5th
2021- 15th
2020 - 9th
2019 - 3rd
2018 - 3rd

With that in mind, this is what has happened since Manning committed (I've included his HS teammate as that seems the most pied piper player of them all):

23-Jun
Arch Manning
1
27-Jun
Derek Williams S
0.9823
36
LA
2
29-Jun
Johntay Cook WR
0.9818
38
TX
3
20-Jul
Malik Huhammad CB
0.98
43
TX
4
26-Jun
Jaydon Chatman IOL
0.9246
190
TX
5
3-Jul
Sydir Mitchell DL
0.9164
231
NJ
6
23-Jul
Peyton Kirkland OT
0.9049
289
FL
7
26-Jun
Jonah Wilson WR
0.9041
296
TX
8
25-Jun
Liona Lefau LB
0.8953
364
HI
9
26-Jun
Connor Stroh OT
0.8794
541
TX
10
26-Jun
Trevor Goosby OT
0.8794
541
TX
11
28-Jun
Billy Walton Edge
0.8756
604
TX
12
19-Jun
Will Randle TE
0.8725
676
LA
13
26-Jun
Andre Cojoe IOL
0.8686
761
TX
0.9127
355

The average player is ranked 355th, with a .9127. I am less critical of OL evals, as they are really hard to do and lots of OL that are in the 300 and 400s often turn out to be quite good after several years in the system. And they have signed 5 of those. Of the 3 top 100 players, 2 are on the D ... did they come to Texas because of Manning? That doesn't seem to be very "pied piper-ish" to me. While there are lots of teams that would kill for 13 players in the top 750, we expect higher of Texas especially if Manning has the tails everyone is talking about.

As a point of comparison, it was between UGA and TX for Manning. We lost fair and square. How have we done since Manning went to Texas? Not listed in the chart below, we signed two 2024 players both of whom are receivers - a TE and WR. They are ranked 26th and 53rd. It's obviously early, they could drop, and they might not end up at UGA. But both are homegrown Georgia boys, so I feel good in saying that not landing Manning won't hurt next year. As for this year, the numbers since Manning:

23-Jun
Arch Manning to TX
1
23-Jul
Joenel Aguero S
0.9832
34
MA
2
10-Jul
Raylen Harris LB
0.9771
50
FL
3
16-Jul
Troy Bowles LB
0.9732
56
FL
4
1-Jul
Daniel Harris CB
0.935
151
FL
5
19-Jul
Jamaal Jarrett DL
0.927
180
NC
6
22-Jul
Kelton Smith IOL
0.9189
218
GA
0.9524
115

5 are on the D so we can argue Manning wouldn't have affected that. But we seem to have survived not singing Manning. I also do think we might have signed a better WR class - our TE class is awesome, and we will have a good, if not elite WR class. Manning would have helped there, I think.

I think Manning could be really good. I wish we would have landed him. Texas should be glad they did, and it was a huge bump for Sark. I am just not sold on any players being a pied piper like many talk about. And I don't think Manning is any different.

6 full paragraphs and two tables

God damn son, some of us are just here to shit post

outofyourmind · Jul 27, 2022

Hitman Hart said:
God damn son, some of us are just here to shit post

WhosYourDawggy · Jul 27, 2022

Hitman Hart said:
6 full paragraphs and two tables

God damn son, some of us are just here to shit post

Good for you ... shitpost away. I do from time to time. Otherwise, I'll post substantive posts whenever I want to. Feel free to Ignore them or me. Won't hurt my feelings one bit.

NinerSpartan · Jul 27, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
Good for you ... shitpost away. I do from time to time. Otherwise, I'll post substantive posts whenever I want to. Feel free to Ignore them or me. Won't hurt my feelings one bit.

huskers1217 · Jul 27, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
I know this is going to seem like sour grapes, but it's not. We didn't get Manning, we will be fine.

Prior to not getting Manning, I questioned the "pied piper" effect that he would have no matter where he went. I asked on a UGA board for anyone to name a player that was genuinely a pied piper. The top player mentioned was Justin Fields. 2018 was our first no. 1 class, and it was the third best all time, even after ATM last year. But we really couldn't point to that many players that came to UGA just because of Fields. Most were already leaning toward UGA and that just cemented their choice.

So, what about Manning? Did he really pull all that many good players to Texas? I'll let @Thiefery provide more depth and context as he knows way more about Texas recruiting than I do. But let's recall that Texas was already able to recruit well:

Per the 247 Composite:

2023 - est. top 5
2022 - 5th
2021- 15th
2020 - 9th
2019 - 3rd
2018 - 3rd

With that in mind, this is what has happened since Manning committed (I've included his HS teammate as that seems the most pied piper player of them all):

23-Jun
Arch Manning
1
27-Jun
Derek Williams S
0.9823
36
LA
2
29-Jun
Johntay Cook WR
0.9818
38
TX
3
20-Jul
Malik Huhammad CB
0.98
43
TX
4
26-Jun
Jaydon Chatman IOL
0.9246
190
TX
5
3-Jul
Sydir Mitchell DL
0.9164
231
NJ
6
23-Jul
Peyton Kirkland OT
0.9049
289
FL
7
26-Jun
Jonah Wilson WR
0.9041
296
TX
8
25-Jun
Liona Lefau LB
0.8953
364
HI
9
26-Jun
Connor Stroh OT
0.8794
541
TX
10
26-Jun
Trevor Goosby OT
0.8794
541
TX
11
28-Jun
Billy Walton Edge
0.8756
604
TX
12
19-Jun
Will Randle TE
0.8725
676
LA
13
26-Jun
Andre Cojoe IOL
0.8686
761
TX
0.9127
355

The average player is ranked 355th, with a .9127. I am less critical of OL evals, as they are really hard to do and lots of OL that are in the 300 and 400s often turn out to be quite good after several years in the system. And they have signed 5 of those. Of the 3 top 100 players, 2 are on the D ... did they come to Texas because of Manning? That doesn't seem to be very "pied piper-ish" to me. While there are lots of teams that would kill for 13 players in the top 750, we expect higher of Texas especially if Manning has the tails everyone is talking about.

As a point of comparison, it was between UGA and TX for Manning. We lost fair and square. How have we done since Manning went to Texas? Not listed in the chart below, we signed two 2024 players both of whom are receivers - a TE and WR. They are ranked 26th and 53rd. It's obviously early, they could drop, and they might not end up at UGA. But both are homegrown Georgia boys, so I feel good in saying that not landing Manning won't hurt next year. As for this year, the numbers since Manning:

23-Jun
Arch Manning to TX
1
23-Jul
Joenel Aguero S
0.9832
34
MA
2
10-Jul
Raylen Harris LB
0.9771
50
FL
3
16-Jul
Troy Bowles LB
0.9732
56
FL
4
1-Jul
Daniel Harris CB
0.935
151
FL
5
19-Jul
Jamaal Jarrett DL
0.927
180
NC
6
22-Jul
Kelton Smith IOL
0.9189
218
GA
0.9524
115

5 are on the D so we can argue Manning wouldn't have affected that. But we seem to have survived not singing Manning. I also do think we might have signed a better WR class - our TE class is awesome, and we will have a good, if not elite WR class. Manning would have helped there, I think.

I think Manning could be really good. I wish we would have landed him. Texas should be glad they did, and it was a huge bump for Sark. I am just not sold on any players being a pied piper like many talk about. And I don't think Manning is any different.

soo..you are saying..

Huskerz Fer Champz

NewPhoneWhoDis · Jul 27, 2022

Thiefery said:
Do they now?

Welp I guess some just have bigger nuts than you and will come to Texas, regardless

They do -- it is usually the guys who grew up Texas fans from the state of Texas. It doesn't change the fact Texas's defense has been a joke for a long time. It isn't because of lack of talent -- they bring in the kids. I'd blame the coaches, but this has been going on over multiple coaches.

Whatever it is -- you get to Texas and it is like they are allergic to tackling and wrapping up these days. Texas ranked like 7th in defense between just the schools IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. A&M, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, Texas-San Antonio, UTEP, North Texas all ranked higher than Texas last year.

If they don't figure out things on the defensive side of the ball -- They could have Peyton Manning as their QB and they still aren't winning anything.

Thiefery · Jul 27, 2022

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
They do -- it is usually the guys who grew up Texas fans from the state of Texas. It doesn't change the fact Texas's defense has been a joke for a long time. It isn't because of lack of talent -- they bring in the kids. I'd blame the coaches, but this has been going on over multiple coaches.

Whatever it is -- you get to Texas and it is like they are allergic to tackling and wrapping up these days. Texas ranked like 7th in defense between just the schools IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. A&M, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, Texas-San Antonio, UTEP, North Texas all ranked higher than Texas last year.

If they don't figure out things on the defensive side of the ball -- They could have Peyton Manning as their QB and they still aren't winning anything.

wait you saying Peyton? What exactly did he win?

NewPhoneWhoDis · Jul 27, 2022

Thiefery said:
wait you saying Peyton? What exactly did he win?

2 super bowls?

Thiefery · Jul 28, 2022

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
2 super bowls?

whoa who knew you could win those in college.. great point.. guess that's why Michigan stays being a blue blood, thanks to Bradys championships

Wishbone · Aug 29, 2022

Arch

6 for 12, 81 yards, 1 INT

Georgia dodged a bullet.

Goldbug · Aug 29, 2022

Wishbone said:
Arch

6 for 12, 81 yards, 1 INT

Georgia dodged a bullet.

Has anyone told Arch or Golden Boy they don't get to wear a blue jersey in the Red River Shootout?

Thiefery · Aug 30, 2022

Wishbone said:
Arch

6 for 12, 81 yards, 1 INT

Georgia dodged a bullet.

LOL.. dude played a school 2 divisions higher than him.. He has one good TE, one good OL.. he's straight

fordman84 · Aug 30, 2022

Thiefery said:
LOL.. dude played a school 2 divisions higher than him.. He has one good TE, one good OL.. he's straight

Sounds like he has better weapons than Jexas

Thiefery · Aug 30, 2022

fordman84 said:
Sounds like he has better weapons than Jexas

enough to beat Bama nextweek....

ELTEXAN · Aug 31, 2022

Injuries withstanding, I put the odds of Arch never starting for Texas at about 85%.

RubinRock · Aug 31, 2022

Thiefery said:
LOL.. dude played a school 2 divisions higher than him.. He has one good TE, one good OL.. he's straight

I honestly hate that this stuff even shows up on my feed. But this vid cracked me up.

Arch may play on a shitty team, but some of the guys he plays against are just pathetic. No's 25 and 29 on defense looked like they were on the take. I've seen the lowest divisions of high school football here play tougher than this.

fordman84 · Aug 31, 2022

Thiefery said:
enough to beat Bama nextweek....

Hope you do. Don't see it happening, but would enjoy it if you did :suds:

fordman84 · Aug 31, 2022

RubinRock said:
I honestly hate that this stuff even shows up on my feed. But this vid cracked me up.

Arch may play on a shitty team, but some of the guys he plays against are just pathetic. No's 25 and 29 on defense looked like they were on the take. I've seen the lowest divisions of high school football here play tougher than this.

Can't tell if that is "I don't want to hurt this guy" or standing around watching him because they know he will be on TV next year.

Thiefery · Aug 31, 2022

ELTEXAN said:
Injuries withstanding, I put the odds of Arch never starting for Texas at about 85%.

well.. if you feel this way.. He's definitely going to be a starter at UT 100%.. all your other predictions were flat out wrong

	23-Jun	Arch Manning
1	27-Jun	Derek Williams	S	0.9823	36	LA
2	29-Jun	Johntay Cook	WR	0.9818	38	TX
3	20-Jul	Malik Huhammad	CB	0.98	43	TX
4	26-Jun	Jaydon Chatman	IOL	0.9246	190	TX
5	3-Jul	Sydir Mitchell	DL	0.9164	231	NJ
6	23-Jul	Peyton Kirkland	OT	0.9049	289	FL
7	26-Jun	Jonah Wilson	WR	0.9041	296	TX
8	25-Jun	Liona Lefau	LB	0.8953	364	HI
9	26-Jun	Connor Stroh	OT	0.8794	541	TX
10	26-Jun	Trevor Goosby	OT	0.8794	541	TX
11	28-Jun	Billy Walton	Edge	0.8756	604	TX
12	19-Jun	Will Randle	TE	0.8725	676	LA
13	26-Jun	Andre Cojoe	IOL	0.8686	761	TX
				0.9127	355

	23-Jun	Arch Manning to TX
1	23-Jul	Joenel Aguero	S	0.9832	34	MA
2	10-Jul	Raylen Harris	LB	0.9771	50	FL
3	16-Jul	Troy Bowles	LB	0.9732	56	FL
4	1-Jul	Daniel Harris	CB	0.935	151	FL
5	19-Jul	Jamaal Jarrett	DL	0.927	180	NC
6	22-Jul	Kelton Smith	IOL	0.9189	218	GA
				0.9524	115