B1G's Commish Warren ...

[WhosYourDawggy]

Obviously, the PAC wants to get a TV deal done immediately. By doing so -- it'd all but assure no further expansion with teams from PAC, as it'd seem like they'd have a GOR deal included.

So I have no issue with Warren's statement, especially if adding more than just USC and UCLA is their end goal.

From a B1G/Warren perspective, if your goal is to blow up the PAC then sure talk about how you are going to continue to poach from the PAC. I have no problem if the B1G is actually going to do that.

But if you don't intend on doing that, quit flapping your gums and let the PAC and B12 figure things out. Or, if your idea is to destabilize CFB shut the fuck up about how important student-athletes are to you.

 

[Wild Turkey]

In other words, yeah streaming has made market far less important, but let's ignore that and take Virginia because of, checks notes, market. You can't agree that streaming has changed everything and then say, "but they still want the state of Virginia." They will only take teams that (1) have large viewership, and (2) can get into an expanded CFP often. No Virginia school can do either of those. At least not now. Perhaps it will be different in 2034-ish.

The bold is possible because I did it.

On the CFP, if the B1G and the SEC expand again chances are the playoff goes away and the P2 form some type of conference playoff with a championship game between them. This 12-team playoff thing that lets other schools in would be out the window so your "expanded CFP often" comment will be moot.

If the SEC takes 4 teams there aren't 4 that meet your criteria so someone is going to get in. I think it will be Virginia but wouldn't be shocked if it's Duke just to own that rivalry with UNC.

They aren't going to have 3 teams from the state of Florida.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The bold is possible because I did it.

On the CFP, if the B1G and the SEC expand again chances are the playoff goes away and the P2 form some type of conference playoff with a championship game between them. This 12-team playoff thing that lets other schools in would be out the window so your "expanded CFP often" comment will be moot.

If the SEC takes 4 teams there aren't 4 that meet your criteria so someone is going to get in. I think it will be Virginia but wouldn't be shocked if it's Duke just to own that rivalry with UNC.

They aren't going to have 3 teams from the state of Florida.

Wow, so the SEC is going to take UVa and Duke, two teams with low viewership and no chance of ever getting into a CFP?

And now you are predicting this because the CFP will go away? Ok, you have jumped the shark on this one. Gonna move on.

 

[CoalTrain]

Warren is posturing trying to make the league as attractive as possible to ND to influence their decision making. Potentially grabbing all their big rivals except for Navy is an attempt to push them.

It would be a massive mistake to bring in schools under a lower payout schedule and would create a have and have not issue through the league. You think Oregon and Washington are going to be happy making less than Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois and Indiana?

He is pushing this narrative because in reality he needs ND to potentially commit before he inks his next deal.

If he can’t ink ND they aren’t expanding.

Sankey is in a different position in that he would take ND but he ain’t chasing them and it’s not really a match. He is sitting back to see if the GOR in the ACC gets challenged and if not he is happy.

Truth is the B1G has created logistic problems for itself in order to try and keep up with the SEC. You don’t say no to USC but he made his job a lot harder.

Killed it^ exactly right IMO.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I thought Warrens comments were magical!

You know what Market the SEC needs @Wild Turkey , that West Virginia Market. That’s a have to have market if I’m the SEC…..

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I thought Warrens comments were magical!

You know what Market the SEC needs @Wild Turkey , that West Virginia Market. That’s a have to have market if I’m the SEC…..

Truthfully, WVu is a far better candidate than UVa or Duke. You have better viewership and are more likely to get to the CFP than either of those teams. Unfortunately, still not enough. Again, I'd love to burn some couches with you guys!

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

From a B1G/Warren perspective, if your goal is to blow up the PAC then sure talk about how you are going to continue to poach from the PAC. I have no problem if the B1G is actually going to do that.

But if you don't intend on doing that, quit flapping your gums and let the PAC and B12 figure things out. Or, if your idea is to destabilize CFB shut the fuck up about how important student-athletes are to you.

The destabilization of CFB only started when the SEC swiped the flagship programs of the Big 12, Texas and OU. All the B1G is doing is following suit. It just so happens the conference the B1G would be interested in adding other teams wants to get a TV deal immediately, to try and stave off other teams from leaving.

The SEC would be doing the same if the ACC didn't have an utterly ridiculous television contract that runs til the year 3000 (obviously just kidding on the year) and they were interested in say Clemson joining the SEC or whoever else they deem worthy.

That is the only reason Sankey isn't saying much. There isn't much for him to say. The SEC isn't adding West Coast teams, so they have no use for PAC programs. They took the two teams they wanted from the Big 12, and there really isn't any other worthy programs to take on.

That leaves ND (who isn't going to the SEC) and the ACC (whose teams locked in with their TV congrats GOR. THAT is why Sankey hasn't had much to say. What is he going to say -- the SEC would be really interested in Clemson in 2037?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Truthfully, WVu is a far better candidate than UVa or Duke. You have better viewership and are more likely to get to the CFP than either of those teams. Unfortunately, still not enough. Again, I'd love to burn some couches with you guys!

Wait a minute -- West Virginia fans burn couches? We may need to bring them over to the B1G. They could have rivalry games with Michigan State. MSU students burn couches to celebrate anything and everything. It's Tuesday -- let's burn a couch. I got a "C" on the intro to Business Match midterm -- let's burn a couch. It isn't raining today -- let's burn a couch. That rivalry would be epic.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Truthfully, WVu is a far better candidate than UVa or Duke. You have better viewership and are more likely to get to the CFP than either of those teams. Unfortunately, still not enough. Again, I'd love to burn some couches with you guys!

I know it’s a pipe dream, but it’ll never die!!!!!!!

 

[ralphiewvu]

Wait a minute -- West Virginia fans burn couches? We may need to bring them over to the B1G. They could have rivalry games with Michigan State. MSU students burn couches to celebrate anything and everything. It's Tuesday -- let's burn a couch. I got a "C" on the intro to Business Match midterm -- let's burn a couch. It isn't raining today -- let's burn a couch. That rivalry would be epic.
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Hey there young fella, where do we sign?

 

[Wild Turkey]

Wow, so the SEC is going to take UVa and Duke, two teams with low viewership and no chance of ever getting into a CFP?

And now you are predicting this because the CFP will go away? Ok, you have jumped the shark on this one. Gonna move on.

By your logic nothing matters but football and eyeballs. Yet we both agree UNC is the number one target of the SEC.

UNC isn’t going to make the playoff.
UNC football isn’t going to get eyeballs or ratings.

That doesn‘t reconcile with your logic.


As for the CFP going away that isn‘t just me saying that. We are going to two super conferences who are going to have huge resource advantages over the everyone else, which is going to create a large competitive advantage. It won’t take long for the B1G and SEC to realize they can create their own mini playoffs (which they will own all the revenue to) to decide a conference champ and then play a national championship game against each other which the split the revenue. Why subsidize the other conferences by splitting the revenue of an unnecessary expanded playoff?

I don’t like it but that’s where we are headed.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

How about the SEC just give Missouri, Miss State, Vandy and Arkansas to the Big 12 so the SEC can go back to being a 12 team confernce, which is the best number of teams for a conference.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

By your logic nothing matters but football and eyeballs. Yet we both agree UNC is the number one target of the SEC.

UNC isn’t going to make the playoff.
UNC football isn’t going to get eyeballs or ratings.

That doesn‘t reconcile with your logic.


As for the CFP going away that isn‘t just me saying that. We are going to two super conferences who are going to have huge resource advantages over the everyone else, which is going to create a large competitive advantage. It won’t take long for the B1G and SEC to realize they can create their own mini playoffs (which they will own all the revenue to) to decide a conference champ and then play a national championship game against each other which the split the revenue. Why subsidize the other conferences by splitting the revenue of an unnecessary expanded playoff?

I don’t like it but that’s where we are headed.

I made it clear in my article what matters - eyeballs and CFP. "Market" was important a decade ago and is a diminishing part of CFB economics. And nothing does matter but football ... basketball brings in very little. If you are marginal, perhaps hoops help. But football is what drives revenue. Nothing I just wrote can be argued.

I don't think UNC is the number one target. I don't believe I have ever said that. It certainly isn't in my article, cited below. Here is what I wrote:

What are the SEC and B1G going to do? With the ACC Grant of Rights (GOR), and the fact that neither the SEC nor the B1G want to be involved in litigation, I think the ACC will be off-limits until 2033-ish. Also, each new team needs to bring in $100 million or more in value and I can't really see that happening with many of the teams available. But let's assume that isn't the case and the ACC can be plundered, and that each new team will bring in revenue to earn their share of the pie, or the long-term outlook of more teams and larger conferences allow the conferences to bring in more money in the future.

My conclusion was that the ACC GOR was a problem, and there are few teams that actually have value to earn their piece of the pie. I then said, let's ignore that and pretend that the GOR isn't a problem and that they can earn a share. Then and only then does UNC become my 4th team for the SEC, and a target for the B1G. But Clemson, FSU and Miami are more attractive because they have more eyeballs and are more likely to get CFP shares. To be honest, Oklahoma State could get in before UNC as they have better eyeballs and play better football. That is one of the marginal cases where "market" and basketball would probably make a difference.

That all reconciles with my logic, as you put it.

As for the CFP, I can only go with what I know now. We know there will be expansion with at least 4 power conferences (SEC, B1G, ACC, and probably B12 and maybe the PAC), and 5 or 6 G5 conferences in 2026. The scenario you paint may come to fruition, but I think the whole super conference talk is overblown by people to get clicks. There is not a current economic model that would indicate that the SEC and B1G can make more money going to 20 teams, and eliminating the other 90 schools. Might we get there one day? Sure. But that is not something that is going to happen in the near future. You certainly can't say that the SEC wants UNC because at some point in 20 years there will only be two conferences.

College Football Expansion - Who is Next and Why

I wrote this about a week ago and had it published at Rivals. It's been up for a while there so I wanted to share this with this group. A couple of things: 1. Don't @Me with tldr ... don't care. It's long ... 3200 words. That's on purpose. I spent time on it because this type of thing...

hooplanation.com

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The destabilization of CFB only started when the SEC swiped the flagship programs of the Big 12, Texas and OU. All the B1G is doing is following suit. It just so happens the conference the B1G would be interested in adding other teams wants to get a TV deal immediately, to try and stave off other teams from leaving.

The SEC would be doing the same if the ACC didn't have an utterly ridiculous television contract that runs til the year 3000 (obviously just kidding on the year) and they were interested in say Clemson joining the SEC or whoever else they deem worthy.

That is the only reason Sankey isn't saying much. There isn't much for him to say. The SEC isn't adding West Coast teams, so they have no use for PAC programs. They took the two teams they wanted from the Big 12, and there really isn't any other worthy programs to take on.

That leaves ND (who isn't going to the SEC) and the ACC (whose teams locked in with their TV congrats GOR. THAT is why Sankey hasn't had much to say. What is he going to say -- the SEC would be really interested in Clemson in 2037?

That's not really true ... destabilization started decades ago. The SEC did nothing that any other conference would have done if TX and OU came to them. The B1G did what they did and most other conferences would have done the same thing. I say most, because the SEC isn't expanding to the west coast, even for USC. And I am not really trying to say one conference is worse than the next one. They are all doing what is best for them, and while I would prefer the old way, I am open for the change going forward. That's not my beef with what Warren is doing. I don't even care if the B1G goes after the 4 other schools and puts the PAC out of its misery. That might be a good thing.

What I, and people in the CFB business, don't like is his loose lips over the past several days. If you want to add the 4 teams, add them. If you want to leave it as it is, leave it as it is. But, if you think college football is better off with other healthy conferences, then stop the loose lips.

From that CBS article:

College athletics sources reached out to CBS Sports concerned with the tenor of Warren's address Wednesday. They believed, even if Warren was going to be aggressive in further expansion, keeping it to himself instead of sending ripples of worry through college athletics might have been a sounder move.

 

[Red_Alert]

The destabilization of CFB only started when the SEC swiped the flagship programs of the Big 12, Texas and OU. All the B1G is doing is following suit. It just so happens the conference the B1G would be interested in adding other teams wants to get a TV deal immediately, to try and stave off other teams from leaving.

The SEC would be doing the same if the ACC didn't have an utterly ridiculous television contract that runs til the year 3000 (obviously just kidding on the year) and they were interested in say Clemson joining the SEC or whoever else they deem worthy.

That is the only reason Sankey isn't saying much. There isn't much for him to say. The SEC isn't adding West Coast teams, so they have no use for PAC programs. They took the two teams they wanted from the Big 12, and there really isn't any other worthy programs to take on.

That leaves ND (who isn't going to the SEC) and the ACC (whose teams locked in with their TV congrats GOR. THAT is why Sankey hasn't had much to say. What is he going to say -- the SEC would be really interested in Clemson in 2037?

Are you 15?

You're a fucking idiot and have always been an idiot since you were TrustMeIAmRight on CommieHoopla.

Destabilization started when tejas started whoring itself and 3 other Big 12 members to the PAC in 2010.

That led to Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and A&M looking for safe haven.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That's not really true ... destabilization started decades ago. The SEC did nothing that any other conference would have done if TX and OU came to them. The B1G did what they did and most other conferences would have done the same thing. I say most, because the SEC isn't expanding to the west coast, even for USC. And I am not really trying to say one conference is worse than the next one. They are all doing what is best for them, and while I would prefer the old way, I am open for the change going forward. That's not my beef with what Warren is doing. I don't even care if the B1G goes after the 4 other schools and puts the PAC out of its misery. That might be a good thing.

What I, and people in the CFB business, don't like is his loose lips over the past several days. If you want to add the 4 teams, add them. If you want to leave it as it is, leave it as it is. But, if you think college football is better off with other healthy conferences, then stop the loose lips.

From that CBS article:

College athletics sources reached out to CBS Sports concerned with the tenor of Warren's address Wednesday. They believed, even if Warren was going to be aggressive in further expansion, keeping it to himself instead of sending ripples of worry through college athletics might have been a sounder move.

If you believe the BS written by CBS sports -- I can't help you. As if "college athletic sources", which they, of course, don't name, are calling CBS sports about the article they are writing. It is nothing more than journalists drumming up interest in an article, because, people like yourself, will run with it as truth.

And again -- What started this latest destabilization had absolutely nothing to do with Warren or the B1G and everything to do with Sankey and the SEC. So if people want to whine about destabilization -- go talk to Sankey, he started the dominos. Maybe CBS can reach out to their "college athletic sources" and ask them about it.

As I stated -- the ONLY reason Sankey isn't saying anything now is that the only programs the SEC would be interested in are locked into a GOR until 2036, so what is he going to say?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

If you believe the BS written by CBS sports -- I can't help you. As if "college athletic sources", which they, of course, don't name, are calling CBS sports about the article they are writing. It is nothing more than journalists drumming up interest in an article, because, people like yourself, will run with it as truth.

And again -- What started this latest destabilization had absolutely nothing to do with Warren or the B1G and everything to do with Sankey and the SEC. So if people want to whine about destabilization -- go talk to Sankey, he started the dominos. Maybe CBS can reach out to their "college athletic sources" and ask them about it.

As I stated -- the ONLY reason Sankey isn't saying anything now is that the only programs the SEC would be interested in are locked into a GOR until 2036, so what is he going to say?

I do believe what was said in that article because it makes total sense. Warren is flapping his gums when he shouldn't be and doesn't have to be. You watch ... he will walk back some of those comments in the next 48 hours. LOL at saying Dennis Dodd isn't a legit sports writer.

How many times do I have to write I don't care what Warren and the B1G did with USC and UCLA. The B1G wasn't saying no to them when they came calling. Just like no one would have said no to UT and OU. What I have said is that Warrens's ongoing gum flapping with regard to continued expansion is what is destabilizing right now.

You seem to not like Sankey as you keep bringing him up when I am talking Warren.

 

[Huskers4me]

That's not really true ... destabilization started decades ago. The SEC did nothing that any other conference would have done if TX and OU came to them.

PAC didn’t want Texas Tech and Oklahoma State which was supposedly tied to the other two.

 

[NU_WTF?]

If you believe the BS written by CBS sports -- I can't help you.

Lol this pleb thinks anything written is as good as gold, it's quite amusing, feeling dirty for agreeing with you.

Off to shower

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Are you 15?

You're a fucking idiot and have always been an idiot since you were TrustMeIAmRight on CommieHoopla.

Destabilization started when tejas started whoring itself and 3 other Big 12 members to the PAC in 2010.

That led to Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and A&M looking for safe haven.

You are asking someone if they are 15, while your response is filled with elementary school name calling? Priceless. Keep up the good work.

What started this latest destabilization had absolutely nothing to do with Warren or the B1G and everything to do with Sankey and the SEC

It doesn't surprise me that Nebraska fans are talking about a decade plus ago -- it seems to the ONLY thing they talk about. We are talking about the present. We realize Nebraska likes to live in the past, but come join us here in the now.


And FUCK TEXAS for trying to leave 12 years ago and sticking the B1G with Nebraska, who has added ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the conference, other than women's volleyball. No wonder everyone hates Texas.