B1G's Commish Warren ...

I agree ... even with USC when it comes to on the field performance the SEC is Tier 1. Do you think this move by the B1G will make a difference in the quality of the football?
Is USC better than the 7/8 B1G team? If they are, then the quality will be better. Until they get to playing conference games, it is just speculation.
 
Is USC better than the 7/8 B1G team? If they are, then the quality will be better. Until they get to playing conference games, it is just speculation.
I am projecting USC getting back to 00s quality with their new coach on board. Going to be interesting at the time they are trying to get relevant, they also get a substantially tougher schedule.
 
I am projecting USC getting back to 00s quality with their new coach on board. Going to be interesting at the time they are trying to get relevant, they also get a substantially tougher schedule.
I really don't see USC as the key, but UCLA being a better than average B1G team. The first couple years playing new teams will draw eyeballs, but if they are not competitive with the Minnesotas, Purdues of the league, viewership will crash.
 
I really don't see USC as the key, but UCLA being a better than average B1G team. The first couple years playing new teams will draw eyeballs, but if they are not competitive with the Minnesotas, Purdues of the league, viewership will crash.
It will be interesting to see where they land in the B1G pecking order. Missouri had an interesting landing in the SEC. They had a good coach and were playing pretty well in the B12. They landed just when UGA, UTjr and UF were cratering in the SECE. They win 2 SECE titles, but then get creamed going forward. We won in 2012, but then the Richt decline started we lost in 2013 and won every game since. But we were down 2013-2106 leading to Richt getting fired and CKS hired.

BTW, same with OU and TX coming into the SEC.
 
I agree ... even with USC when it comes to on the field performance the SEC is Tier 1. Do you think this move by the B1G will make a difference in the quality of the football?
Not really. Neither did adding Maryland, Rutgers or even the corn aggies for that matter.

The SEC is the only conference that has multiple teams with wins in the CFP. The others have only a single team with a CFP win….and one has none…looking at you Big 12.

And that ain’t Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma or OregonWashington’s fault. I blame the rest of ‘em.
 
This is one time where status quo is fine. We will make the most money, and we will have more best teams. Just adding to add isn't something the SEC is interested in, I hope.

FSU and maybe Miami are the only teams that make sense for the SEC and it is not about $ but about keeping the B1G out of Florida. UNC might make sense for recruiting and new market as well.
 
FSU and maybe Miami are the only teams that make sense for the SEC and it is not about $ but about keeping the B1G out of Florida. UNC might make sense for recruiting and new market as well.
You think that the SEC teams would be willing to lose millions of dollars per year, tens of millions per year, to keep the B1G out of Florida? Either a team has a revenue stream or they don't. If, there are side-benefits like the one you mention, then fine. But if the B1G is willing to lose millions per year to get into the Florida market, good. Just like the friction costs they are going to experience with teams on the west coast.

Having said that, FSU and Miami, along with UNC, Clemson and OkState are the 5 teams that have any chance of getting into the SEC should they expand. The problem is that the ACC schools won't be available for 10+ years and by then who knows what they economics are.
 
You think that the SEC teams would be willing to lose millions of dollars per year, tens of millions per year, to keep the B1G out of Florida? Either a team has a revenue stream or they don't. If, there are side-benefits like the one you mention, then fine. But if the B1G is willing to lose millions per year to get into the Florida market, good. Just like the friction costs they are going to experience with teams on the west coast.

Having said that, FSU and Miami, along with UNC, Clemson and OkState are the 5 teams that have any chance of getting into the SEC should they expand. The problem is that the ACC schools won't be available for 10+ years and by then who knows what they economics are.

Florida is a massive recruiting market and arguably the top state for recruiting. The B1G entering Florida and stealing recruits from the SEC would be a major concern.
 
Florida is a massive recruiting market and arguably the top state for recruiting. The B1G entering Florida and stealing recruits from the SEC would be a major concern.
You conflate two things ... of course Florida is a big recruiting grounds. But having a team like Miami in it doesn't suddenly make it prime territory for B1G teams. It's not like Iowa or Nebraska will suddenly start recruiting Florida better because Miami is in the B1G. Any recruit in Florida can basically watch every B1G game every weekend. With this thing called the Internet, kids know about all the schools they might play for.

Did ACC teams suddenly take over Florida when FSU and Miami moved to the ACC? Other than Miami and FSU, there isn't a single top 50 Florida recruit committed to an ACC school. Last year Indiana picked up 2 players. That's it. If that's a strategy, it doesn't seem to be working. If that's a strategy, it's not worth millions per team per year.
 
I don't see this happening any time soon. College football is good because all regions are represented and people pull for their region, at some level. If you wipe out large swaths of teams and fans it becomes less interesting. The SEC and B1G walk a fine line between getting as big as they can to be profitable, and so big they actually diminish the product they are trying to derive revenue from. This is why I think the SEC, at least, slows down on expansion.

For example, would the SEC actually make more money by bringing in Clemson, FSU, Miami, and UNC if that means the ACC is destroyed? Maybe, but it's risky losing fans in the states and for the teams that don't come in.

What the post you are responding to is alluding to is the idea that it might be a better product if only those who truly can compete at the highest levels are in one Tier competing against each other, and everyone else is in another. We already have that with P5 and G5. Do we break up the P5 ... that's what the post is getting at. That may happen, and it may make sense some day. But that day is a long way away, IMO.
I could see it happening unfortunately because it makes sense if both the SEC and B1G go to 20 plus teams. Why would they cost themselves money? It’s really going to suck for people like me but honestly what can be done? It may not happen within the next decade but eventually in our lifetime it will IMO.
 
I could see it happening unfortunately because it makes sense if both the SEC and B1G go to 20 plus teams. Why would they cost themselves money? It’s really going to suck for people like me but honestly what can be done? It may not happen within the next decade but eventually in our lifetime it will IMO.
Here's how I see it.

- If we assume an expanded CFP, the B1G and SEC are going to be making about $110 million for each school by 2027.
- That means any new school has to generate $110 million of value. I am not sure that there are 8 more teams that do that.
- To make that happen, the ACC and PAC are destroyed, leaving the B12 and the ACC and PAC leftovers doing something.

So, first, I don't think they can get to 20, without blowing up the CFP to be only the SEC and the B1G such that the money made there makes it worth it.

But, and it's a big but, will the TV numbers be as good if you have basically eliminated 92 of the current teams eligible at some level? I don't know ... seems like you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Yeah, the 40 teams now split all the money, but is there as much money for a 40 teams CFP that leaves out a lot of the US? You think WVU would be left out and that means a whole state. How many would watch?
 
Here's how I see it.

- If we assume an expanded CFP, the B1G and SEC are going to be making about $110 million for each school by 2027.
- That means any new school has to generate $110 million of value. I am not sure that there are 8 more teams that do that.
- To make that happen, the ACC and PAC are destroyed, leaving the B12 and the ACC and PAC leftovers doing something.

So, first, I don't think they can get to 20, without blowing up the CFP to be only the SEC and the B1G such that the money made there makes it worth it.

But, and it's a big but, will the TV numbers be as good if you have basically eliminated 92 of the current teams eligible at some level? I don't know ... seems like you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Yeah, the 40 teams now split all the money, but is there as much money for a 40 teams CFP that leaves out a lot of the US? You think WVU would be left out and that means a whole state. How many would watch?
If The B1G and The SEC think it’s costing them money I could totally see them doing that. Let’s be honest they’ll have every team that realistically could win an NC every year. Why would they cost themselves money to help out teams like mine? Why would they give teams like mine a chance? Of course they’ll blow up the CFP if they think they can Make more by themselves. And I can’t fault them because I doubt they’d be wrong.
 
If The B1G and The SEC think it’s costing them money I could totally see them doing that. Let’s be honest they’ll have every team that realistically could win an NC every year. Why would they cost themselves money to help out teams like mine? Why would they give teams like mine a chance? Of course they’ll blow up the CFP if they think they can Make more by themselves. And I can’t fault them because I doubt they’d be wrong.
I agree they will do what's best for them ... I just can't fathom a playoff restricted to 2 conferences will generate as much as on with 4 or more. We shall see in 10 years.
 
You conflate two things ... of course Florida is a big recruiting grounds. But having a team like Miami in it doesn't suddenly make it prime territory for B1G teams. It's not like Iowa or Nebraska will suddenly start recruiting Florida better because Miami is in the B1G. Any recruit in Florida can basically watch every B1G game every weekend. With this thing called the Internet, kids know about all the schools they might play for.

Did ACC teams suddenly take over Florida when FSU and Miami moved to the ACC? Other than Miami and FSU, there isn't a single top 50 Florida recruit committed to an ACC school. Last year Indiana picked up 2 players. That's it. If that's a strategy, it doesn't seem to be working. If that's a strategy, it's not worth millions per team per year.

FSU and Miami are NOT in B1G now so you lost me on highlighted part.

Texas A&M moving to SEC opened Texas up to SEC recruiting. That kind of defeats your argument.

Sure teams like Indiana will struggle with Florida but the Michigan and Ohio States of the world would definitely get an advantage with FSU and Miami. Also FSU and Miami, with more $$$, could become recruiting threats against other SEC programs.
 
FSU and Miami are NOT in B1G now so you lost me on highlighted part.

Texas A&M moving to SEC opened Texas up to SEC recruiting. That kind of defeats your argument.

Sure teams like Indiana will struggle with Florida but the Michigan and Ohio States of the world would definitely get an advantage with FSU and Miami. Also FSU and Miami, with more $$$, could become recruiting threats against other SEC programs.
THe higlighted part disproves your contention. It is your contention that simply picking up teams in a conference opens up their recruiting grounds to teams in the conference. I showed you that no teams other than Indiana have any of the top 50 players in Florida for the past two recruiting cycles. If the ACC has FSU and Miami in the ACC, and has had them for over a decade, why aren't all the ACC teams crushing Florida talent? And if the ACC isn't doing that, what makes you think the B1G will suddenly do so? tOSU, UM, PSU - they can go into Florida all they want right now.

Prove that ATM moving to Texas opened up the Texas market. You can't just say it and therefore it is so. UGA was recruiting Texas well before ATM came into the SEC. A quick example would be former no. 1 NFL pick, Matthew Stafford. We didn't need ATM in order to pull people from Texas. Random check - Bama had 3 TX players in 2010.

I'm not saying it doesn't help to play games in a state. I suspect there is some marginal value to that. But with everyone able to see every game every weekend, the idea that we have to play in a state in order to recruit that state is old time thinking. And using the two teams you mentioned, it certainly isn't helping the ACC.
 
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