Oklahoma fans ... this won't work in the SEC

WhosYourDawggy said:
For most it's not meaningless. I don't know the exact percentage, but historically a large number of commits in July stick. I'd bet at least 85% with the 15% being those that get processed or flipped.

I say historically because who knows what is going to happen this year. If you are bidding on eBay, you don't make your highest bid in the first day or few hours. You wait until the last minute and you make your final bids to limit what others can respond with. My guess is that teams that are willing to pay-for-play will wait until right before signing day and let loose with their cash. Could be an interesting ESD, and based on last year I hate seeing ATM lurking way in the back, but listed on "in" on a lot of the guys we are in on.

What is it with you guys ... I am not "worrying" about Venables and Dalbo. I am discussing their recruiting approach which is obviously out of the mainstream. I actually think it will hurt them, and helps us - once a player commits to Clemson, our staff doesn't have to waste as many resources and can move on. So I surely am not "worrying," I am happy to see this as I think it is a sub-optimal approach. Perhaps I am wrong, but the very top recruiters for the past decade haven't done that. Watch half of UGA's class get bought out from under them at the last minute, I might agree it's time for a change.
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I understand that. I just don't see the difference between a coach who's ok with letting players take visits to other schools vs a coach who's not ok with that. Either way, a kid can flip if they really wanted to. Not sure how "this won't work in the SEC" when everybody is already competing for the same players regardless of conference. If anything OU / Texas recruiting will get better because of the pitches school can sell to players about getting seen more on TV and more money to possible give to players
 
TaikoTiger said:
I understand that. I just don't see the difference between a coach who's ok with letting players take visits to other schools vs a coach who's not ok with that. Either way, a kid can flip if they really wanted to. Not sure how "this won't work in the SEC" when everybody is already competing for the same players regardless of conference. If anything OU / Texas recruiting will get better because of the pitches school can sell to players about getting seen more on TV and more money to possible give to players
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It won’t work in the SEC because it means more… duh
 
TaikoTiger said:
I understand that. I just don't see the difference between a coach who's ok with letting players take visits to other schools vs a coach who's not ok with that. Either way, a kid can flip if they really wanted to. Not sure how "this won't work in the SEC" when everybody is already competing for the same players regardless of conference. If anything OU / Texas recruiting will get better because of the pitches school can sell to players about getting seen more on TV and more money to possible give to players
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It limits the number of good players you can pursue, and it makes roster management harder.

It works in the ACC because even by limiting yourself you still got the best talent in the conference. Had Clemson been in the SEC, they wouldn't have been close to the top talent. That matters. OU will be hamstringing its recruiting and roster management. That matters when UGA, Bama, ATM, and others won't do that.
 
Volbound1700 said:
@WhosYourDawggy, what was Missouri's recruiting classes in 2013 and 2014 when they beat your Georgia Bulldogs and won the SEC East?

According to Rivals:
2010 - 21
2011 - 48
2012 - 31
2013 - 41
2014 - 34

So a team with an average recruiting ranking of ~35 won the SEC East twice. Kind of defeats your argument of not being able to compete in SEC without having top recruiting class.
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So you are saying that teams with those types of recruiting classes will compete for conference and national championships? You just took the most extreme outlier situation ever and put it out there as if this proves anything.

If you honestly don't think that the teams with the best recruiting win the most games, not sure what else I can tell you.

As to this info:

- You have picked the 2 years when the SECE has been at its lowest, ever. UGA was coming to the end of the Richt era, and in 2013 we were 8-5 with losses to Clemson, Missouri, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. We were decimated with injuries. UF went 4-8, and UTjr was 5-7. Missouri won by default.

- In 2014 UF and UTjr still sucked, and we beat Missouri 34-0 @Missouri. But we lost to USCjr and UF and lost the east.

It was an odd time for UGA that brought and end to CMR.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
So you are saying that teams with those types of recruiting classes will compete for conference and national championships? You just took the most extreme outlier situation ever and put it out there as if this proves anything.

If you honestly don't think that the teams with the best recruiting win the most games, not sure what else I can tell you.

As to this info:

- You have picked the 2 years when the SECE has been at its lowest, ever. UGA was coming to the end of the Richt era, and in 2013 we were 8-5 with losses to Clemson, Missouri, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. We were decimated with injuries. UF went 4-8, and UTjr was 5-7. Missouri won by default.

- In 2014 UF and UTjr still sucked, and we beat Missouri 34-0 @Missouri. But we lost to USCjr and UF and lost the east.

It was an odd time for UGA that brought and end to CMR.
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Keep in mind, I am a Tennessee fan. We had top 10 recruiting classes with Butch Jones and Jeremy Pruitt that did NOTHING. Development (especially at key positions like QB and Linebacker) is HUGE to winning as well.

Nebraska won National Titles in 1990s with limited recruiting. Clemson has been a title contender despite having lower classes as you pointed out.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Keep in mind, I am a Tennessee fan. We had top 10 recruiting classes with Butch Jones and Jeremy Pruitt that did NOTHING. Development (especially at key positions like QB and Linebacker) is HUGE to winning as well.

Nebraska won National Titles in 1990s with limited recruiting. Clemson has been a title contender despite having lower classes as you pointed out.
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Having high classes doesn't mean you win. See UTjr, UT, and others.

Clemson is the only aberration in the last decade. Interestingly, it's because of Dabo's culture that is based off the exact way of recruiting that I am talking about in this post. Credit to him for being able to make it work. But the point I am making is that may work in the ACC due to lack of competition, but it won't work in the SEC when that level of recruiting means you are 3rd - 8th within the conference. My guess is that Venebles is doing that because it is what he knows. He will have to adjust, in my opinion.
 
Op being retarded again and not giving coaching it's proper respect. What a fag
 
Here is the chart for the last 9 NCs:

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WhosYourDawggy said:
It limits the number of good players you can pursue, and it makes roster management harder.

It works in the ACC because even by limiting yourself you still got the best talent in the conference. Had Clemson been in the SEC, they wouldn't have been close to the top talent. That matters. OU will be hamstringing its recruiting and roster management. That matters when UGA, Bama, ATM, and others won't do that.
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Agree. You can get away with limiting your recruiting options in the Big 12, ACC and PAC-12. Especially if you are one of the 1 or 2 blue bloods in the conference because there will always be a certain percentage of recruits who will choose you just because you're a blue blood.

But in the SEC and B1G, where there are multiple other blue blood programs, it seems foolish to do anything that could limit your recruiting.
 
I kind of jumped into this thread to be devil's advocate. I think recruiting is only one component (but is a major one) in winning it all.

Going off the Venables situation. I think the OP and others are making two major assumptions:

1. That Venables comments were ironclad and he would never deviate from what he said which was said more as a preference than ironclad rule anyways
2. That Venables not recruiting verbal commits to other schools will instantly ensure that Oklahoma's recruiting class will be at the bottom of the SEC
 
Volbound1700 said:
I kind of jumped into this thread to be devil's advocate. I think recruiting is only one component (but is a major one) in winning it all.

Going off the Venables situation. I think the OP and others are making two major assumptions:

1. That Venables comments were ironclad and he would never deviate from what he said which was said more as a preference than ironclad rule anyways
2. That Venables not recruiting verbal commits to other schools will instantly ensure that Oklahoma's recruiting class will be at the bottom of the SEC
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Venables' biggest issue is requiring a player to stop looking around if he commits to OU. Would you let your fiance keep dating around "just so she could be sure you're the right one for her"? Maybe Venables is all full of crap. Maybe it is just too much to ask for in today's world with some of these entitled little shits acting like they're LeBron James. But he is betting that enforcing some integrity into the process will be a net positive for him and the OU program. He will still talk to players who are "committed" to other teams if they reach out to him. But he won't initiate the contact. In other words, he won't try to poach players. My bet is enough guys will contact him for whatever reason that a lot of the "controversy" right now will just go away and it will be pretty much like business as usual. Except for that little thing called "make up your !@#$%^& mind before you commit to playing at OU".
 
fordman84 said:
I've spent a lot of time making and reading charts and I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell is going on here.
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Not sure about the chart, but the discourse seems to be about cruitin’ philosophy. And the underlying debate of whether cruitin’ or coachin’ is more important.
 
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trojanfan12 said:
Agree. You can get away with limiting your recruiting options in the Big 12, ACC and PAC-12. Especially if you are one of the 1 or 2 blue bloods in the conference because there will always be a certain percentage of recruits who will choose you just because you're a blue blood.

But in the SEC and B1G, where there are multiple other blue blood programs, it seems foolish to do anything that could limit your recruiting.
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One of the most frustrating things with recruiting during the Richt era was that lots of people would be pumped about having the no. 10 class in the nation, or even better. And then you would realize you were 4th or 5th in the SEC and realize it didn't mean shit.

Here are Richt's last 7 classes ... that national rank looks pretty good until you then look at the SEC rank and realize you have to get through that first.

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Imagine being 8th in the country, but 6th in your conference. LOL. Or 6th in the country, 4th in your conference.
 
fordman84 said:
I've spent a lot of time making and reading charts and I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell is going on here.
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That shows the previous 4 recruiting classes for the NCs.
 
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