Oklahoma fans ... this won't work in the SEC

duckboy33 said:
I'm not trying to troll, this is a legit question. Should OU expect their recruiting to be better than 4th-6th in the SEC once they join?

They're recruiting at the level I would expect them to recruit at TBH
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The point that I am trying to make is that they should try to do whatever they can to get it as high as they can. If your recruiting practices/method hamstrings your ability to get certain players, that is not a smart move, IMO. In the SEC you have 7 of the top 11 teams in talent. OU in the B12 was 6th with Texas at 11, and then TCU at 29 and everyone else worse. By the time OU got to TCU at 29, they would have already seen 10 other SEC schools. Let that sink in about the difference in talent they will see week in and week out.

An argument against my position, based on your question, might be that if you can't expect to compete against Bama and UGA and maybe ATM, who have shown they are the top recruiters, maybe you need to try something different. That would be a valid point.

The thread kind of morphed from what I said in the first sentence above, to a question of whether OU can be competitive in the SEC. I think they can and will be. I've been clear in all the most recent OU posts that I am and have been a big fan since the early 70s. This isn't an "OU and Clemson are bad teams" thread, although some have defensively gone there. It's a thread about how you recruit when you are in a conference that has talent way better than what you are used to playing.

A second tangent we went off was what happens to successful programs like OU and Clemson if suddenly they aren't the no. 1 recruiting class in their conference. It will be interesting to see as it's not likely they will continue to have a talent advantage in the SEC like they did in the B12, or like Clemson has had in the ACC (part of the hypothetical we've discussed).
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
My point exactly … they are 4th in the SEC, 6th by average. Let that sink in … Venables is doing great and he’s 6th in his conference. Congrats! Assuming they were in the SEC,
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duckboy33 said:
I agree. It really wasn't intended to be a shot at Oklahoma. Finishing 4th-6th in the SEC should get you a top 10 class. If you can develop, coach them up and create a 1st class culture, you can have a ton of success in any conference.
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Wrong. I’ve been told that shit don’t fly in the SEC.

Recruiting just means more in the SEC

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WhosYourDawggy said:
The point that I am trying to make is that they should try to do whatever they can to get it as high as they can. If your recruiting practices/method hamstrings your ability to get certain players, that is not a smart move, IMO. In the SEC you have 7 of the top 11 teams in talent. OU in the B12 was 6th with Texas at 11, and then TCU at 29 and everyone else worse. By the time OU got to TCU at 29, they would have already seen 10 other SEC schools. Let that sink in about the difference in talent they will see week in and week out.

An argument against my position, based on your question, might be that if you can't expect to compete against Bama and UGA and maybe ATM, who have shown they are the top recruiters, maybe you need to try something different. That would be a valid point.

The thread kind of morphed from what I said in the first sentence above, to a question of whether OU can be competitive in the SEC. I think they can and will be. I've been clear in all the most recent OU posts that I am and have been a big fan since the early 70s. This isn't an "OU and Clemson are bad teams" thread, although some have defensively gone there. It's a thread about how you recruit when you are in a conference that has talent way better than what you are used to playing.

A second tangent we went off was what happens to successful programs like OU and Clemson if suddenly they aren't the no. 1 recruiting class in their conference. It will be interesting to see as it's not likely they will continue to have a talent advantage in the SEC like they did in the B12, or like Clemson has had in the ACC (part of the hypothetical we've discussed).
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Texas usually is #1 in recruiting in the Big XII
 
Kevin12773 said:
Wrong. I’ve been told that shit don’t fly in the SEC.

Recruiting just means more in the SEC

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What's funny is you really not thinking that recruiting does in fact mean more in the SEC. Have some bad recruiting years and see about how good your Xs and Os coaches are. You are getting defensive when you don't need to. None of us are saying OU won't be good in the SEC. None of us are saying they can't recruit in the SEC - they are a blue blood program, with a lot of success and a new coach that has a good track record as a coordinator. But if you really don't think recruiting means more than anything in the SEC, that's good for me and my team.

Composite talent for 2021

SEC: 1,2, 5,7,8,14,19,22,27,28,30,31
B12: 6,11,29,41,47

Good luck with that.

247sports.com

2021 College Football Team Talent Composite

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.
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Kevin12773 said:
Point is 7 pages of this idea that (im paraphrasing here) is a top 5 class is really a top 11 class in the SEC and OU is gonna be the new Vanderbilt makes me chuckle.
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LOL, you have some thin skin if you think this thread is anywhere close to saying OU is the new Vanderbilt. You might want to re-read it without your "defensive everyone hates OU" glasses on.

We are saying a top 5 class in the SEC isn't the same as a top 5 class in the B12 or ACC, but that's just facts.

With regard to Vanderbilt, we know you aren't afraid of them ... it's Texas that wants no part of Vandy.
 
Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I think Venables has done a tremendous job of pulling in the #6 class with everything he walked into.

It's going to be his game planning and in game adjustments that determine if he will be successful or not.

Don't care how good your players are if you struggle on game day.


Too early to tell I think.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The point that I am trying to make is that they should try to do whatever they can to get it as high as they can. If your recruiting practices/method hamstrings your ability to get certain players, that is not a smart move, IMO. In the SEC you have 7 of the top 11 teams in talent. OU in the B12 was 6th with Texas at 11, and then TCU at 29 and everyone else worse. By the time OU got to TCU at 29, they would have already seen 10 other SEC schools. Let that sink in about the difference in talent they will see week in and week out.

An argument against my position, based on your question, might be that if you can't expect to compete against Bama and UGA and maybe ATM, who have shown they are the top recruiters, maybe you need to try something different. That would be a valid point.

The thread kind of morphed from what I said in the first sentence above, to a question of whether OU can be competitive in the SEC. I think they can and will be. I've been clear in all the most recent OU posts that I am and have been a big fan since the early 70s. This isn't an "OU and Clemson are bad teams" thread, although some have defensively gone there. It's a thread about how you recruit when you are in a conference that has talent way better than what you are used to playing.

A second tangent we went off was what happens to successful programs like OU and Clemson if suddenly they aren't the no. 1 recruiting class in their conference. It will be interesting to see as it's not likely they will continue to have a talent advantage in the SEC like they did in the B12, or like Clemson has had in the ACC (part of the hypothetical we've discussed).
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OU #6, Texas #11 and TCU #29. And yet Baylor and Okie Lite played in the CCG!
LMAO
 
outofyourmind said:
Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I think Venables has done a tremendous job of pulling in the #6 class with everything he walked into.

It's going to be his game planning and in game adjustments that determine if he will be successful or not.

Don't care how good your players are if you struggle on game day.


Too early to tell I think.
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I agree ... he came into a shitstorm and has done well. If I were you, I'd also like the fact he is a defense-first guy. He can find an OC, but your weakness has been lack of D for a long time. Riley can coach O, but he refused to concentrate on D. Will be interesting.
 
trojanfan12 said:
That's the point. You might have a top 10 recruiting class, but still only be 4th or worse in your conference.

If you have a top 10 class in the PAC or Big 12, at worst, you'll be 2nd in the conference.
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Explain FSU, Texas and USC. A wrong coach can ruin a good class and that can happen anywhere
 
trojanfan12 said:
That's the point. You might have a top 10 recruiting class, but still only be 4th or worse in your conference.

If you have a top 10 class in the PAC or Big 12, at worst, you'll be 2nd in the conference.
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I think that's obvious. The question is really whether Oklahoma is able to recruit at a higher level than 4th-6th in the SEC consistently. I'm not sure that's a reasonable expectation and I don't think Venables changing up his recruiting tactics would change that dynamic.
 
Retard mutt at it again. Derr coaches no matter derrr
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
LOL, you have some thin skin if you think this thread is anywhere close to saying OU is the new Vanderbilt. You might want to re-read it without your "defensive everyone hates OU" glasses on.

We are saying a top 5 class in the SEC isn't the same as a top 5 class in the B12 or ACC, but that's just facts.

With regard to Vanderbilt, we know you aren't afraid of them ... it's Texas that wants no part of Vandy.
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No thin skin here dawggy. I’ll take a top 6 class every year no matter what conference OU is in. No voodoo math needed on my end.

Boomer
 
duckboy33 said:
I think that's obvious. The question is really whether Oklahoma is able to recruit at a higher level than 4th-6th in the SEC consistently. I'm not sure that's a reasonable expectation and I don't think Venables changing up his recruiting tactics would change that dynamic.
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It might not, but if he recruits like everyone else in the conference, at least he's evening the playing field a bit.
 
Kevin12773 said:
No thin skin here dawggy. I’ll take a top 6 class every year no matter what conference OU is in. No voodoo math needed on my end.

Boomer
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Music to my ears. I'm thinking your head coach will have different ideas at some point in the future.
 
trojanfan12 said:
It might not, but if he recruits like everyone else in the conference, at least he's evening the playing field a bit.
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Maybe. However, Venables might be looking to do something that separates themselves from the rest of the conference. If he's not going to out recruit Bama or UGA regardless, he might be better off getting top 10 classes and building a really strong culture.
 
duckboy33 said:
Maybe. However, Venables might be looking to do something that separates themselves from the rest of the conference. If he's not going to out recruit Bama or UGA regardless, he might be better off getting top 10 classes and building a really strong culture.
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Probably why we saw Saban go 17 stretch against his former assistants using his same coaching philosophy.
You're not going to out Saban, Saban
 
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