Kliavkoff (not a ballet dancer but the PAC commissioner) - Takes On the Big 12

@NewPhoneWhoDis

I am totally lost on this argument. SEC has 6 and soon to be 8 historical powers that can recruit top ten classes and with right coach win National Title:

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma... heck I think Texas A&M also belongs in that list.

Take Tennessee, if we had hired Saban in 2007, do you NOT think Tennessee would have 5-6 National Titles with Alabama type run? Look at Alabama prior to Saban.

Coaching is everything. Put Saban at any of the 8-9 programs listed above and they are powerhouses.

If Alabama and Georgia left the SEC, someone else would step up. 2000-2010 proves that with LSU and Florida winning multiple titles.

Alabama's success was entirely based off hiring Saban. Take Nick Saban out of the equation and they probably are not even a top 5 team in the SEC the last 10 years. Saban's hiring also had rippling effects, notable on Tennessee. Tennessee's fall would likely not have been as dramatic if they didn't have to compete both on the field and recruiting trials against Saban.

Big12 has 0 National Powers. You add Alabama and Georgia to Big12, they now have 2. SEC still has 6-7 in that analysis. Sorry, you lose.
 
Volbound1700 said:
@NewPhoneWhoDis

I am totally lost on this argument. SEC has 6 and soon to be 8 historical powers that can recruit top ten classes and with right coach win National Title:

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma... heck I think Texas A&M also belongs in that list.

Take Tennessee, if we had hired Saban in 2007, do you NOT think Tennessee would have 5-6 National Titles with Alabama type run? Look at Alabama prior to Saban.

Coaching is everything. Put Saban at any of the 8-9 programs listed above and they are powerhouses.

If Alabama and Georgia left the SEC, someone else would step up. 2000-2010 proves that with LSU and Florida winning multiple titles.

Alabama's success was entirely based off hiring Saban. Take Nick Saban out of the equation and they probably are not even a top 5 team in the SEC the last 10 years. Saban's hiring also had rippling effects, notable on Tennessee. Tennessee's fall would likely not have been as dramatic if they didn't have to compete both on the field and recruiting trials against Saban.

Big12 has 0 National Powers. You add Alabama and Georgia to Big12, they now have 2. SEC still has 6-7 in that analysis. Sorry, you lose.
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Volbound1700 said:
@NewPhoneWhoDis

I am totally lost on this argument. SEC has 6 and soon to be 8 historical powers that can recruit top ten classes and with right coach win National Title:

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma... heck I think Texas A&M also belongs in that list.

Take Tennessee, if we had hired Saban in 2007, do you NOT think Tennessee would have 5-6 National Titles with Alabama type run? Look at Alabama prior to Saban.

Coaching is everything. Put Saban at any of the 8-9 programs listed above and they are powerhouses.

If Alabama and Georgia left the SEC, someone else would step up. 2000-2010 proves that with LSU and Florida winning multiple titles.

Alabama's success was entirely based off hiring Saban. Take Nick Saban out of the equation and they probably are not even a top 5 team in the SEC the last 10 years. Saban's hiring also had rippling effects, notable on Tennessee. Tennessee's fall would likely not have been as dramatic if they didn't have to compete both on the field and recruiting trials against Saban.

Big12 has 0 National Powers. You add Alabama and Georgia to Big12, they now have 2. SEC still has 6-7 in that analysis. Sorry, you lose.
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Volbound1700 said:
@NewPhoneWhoDis

I am totally lost on this argument. SEC has 6 and soon to be 8 historical powers that can recruit top ten classes and with right coach win National Title:

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma... heck I think Texas A&M also belongs in that list.

Take Tennessee, if we had hired Saban in 2007, do you NOT think Tennessee would have 5-6 National Titles with Alabama type run? Look at Alabama prior to Saban.

Coaching is everything. Put Saban at any of the 8-9 programs listed above and they are powerhouses.

If Alabama and Georgia left the SEC, someone else would step up. 2000-2010 proves that with LSU and Florida winning multiple titles.

Alabama's success was entirely based off hiring Saban. Take Nick Saban out of the equation and they probably are not even a top 5 team in the SEC the last 10 years. Saban's hiring also had rippling effects, notable on Tennessee. Tennessee's fall would likely not have been as dramatic if they didn't have to compete both on the field and recruiting trials against Saban.

Big12 has 0 National Powers. You add Alabama and Georgia to Big12, they now have 2. SEC still has 6-7 in that analysis. Sorry, you lose.
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Here is what you are missing -- Bama and Georgia would leave to go to the Big 12 in the scenario he was talking about, meaning Texas and Oklahoma are still in the Big 12. So the Big 12 would be Bama, Georgia, Texas and Oklahoma.

And no -- there is zero chance Saban wins 5-6 titles at Tennessee, because the state of Tennessee doesn't produce the high school talent the state of Alabama does. Saban has signed 20+ five star recruits from just the state of Alabama since he has been at Alabama. That doesn't even include the large amount of top 100 recruits from the state.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Here is what you are missing -- Bama and Georgia would leave to go to the Big 12 in the scenario he was talking about, meaning Texas and Oklahoma are still in the Big 12. So the Big 12 would be Bama, Georgia, Texas and Oklahoma.

And no -- there is zero chance Saban wins 5-6 titles at Tennessee, because the state of Tennessee doesn't produce the high school talent the state of Alabama does. Saban has signed 20+ five star recruits from just the state of Alabama since he has been at Alabama. That doesn't even include the large amount of top 100 recruits from the state.
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You are a complete moron. Tennessee recruits the EXACT same area historically as Saban. North Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, etc. That well dried up when Saban moved into town.

Tee Martin, for example, came from Mobile, Alabama. We could get Alabama recruits prior to Saban.

Please don't post on stuff you don't understand.

Look at Alabama pre-Saban, a lot of people said the same things about Alabama that they say about Tennessee now. I heard crap like they would never get back to Bear Bryant era, etc. Lee Corso said that one time in Game Day about Alabama in Tuscaloosa. I imagine he had to eat those words.
 
Volbound1700 said:
You are a complete moron. Tennessee recruits the EXACT same area historically as Saban. North Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, etc. That well dried up when Saban moved into town.

Tee Martin, for example, came from Mobile, Alabama. We could get Alabama recruits prior to Saban.

Please don't post on stuff you don't understand.

Look at Alabama pre-Saban, a lot of people said the same things about Alabama that they say about Tennessee now. I heard crap like they would never get back to Bear Bryant era, etc. Lee Corso said that one time in Game Day about Alabama in Tuscaloosa. I imagine he had to eat those words.
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Well damn, if you signed Tee Martin -- that must mean you'd sign 20+ five star recruits from Alabama if Saban wasn't there, as he has done at Alabama.

I will give you an idea of the disparity between Alabama and Tennessee -- in 2023, the state of Alabama right now, has 8 of the top 60 recruits nationally. The state of Tennessee in 2023 has....................zero in the top 60. The state of Alabama gives Saban an enormous advantage giving them a base of elite recruits every year in his backyard.

It is why the schools winning titles all have the exact same thing, a ton of elite in state talent -- the only outlier and you honestly can't really call them an outlier, as their campus is essentially on the Georgia border, is Clemson. If you aren't in one of those select few states -- your chances of winning a national title are slim.

Tennessee has the right idea now -- buying recruits like the QB from California. That's about the only way Tennessee is going to be able to recruit like Georgia and Tennessee in today's game.

It isn't only Tennessee -- the deck is stacked against pretty much everyone but a handful of teams. That's college football right now.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Well damn, if you signed Tee Martin -- that must mean you'd sign 20+ five star recruits from Alabama if Saban wasn't there, as he has done at Alabama.

I will give you an idea of the disparity between Alabama and Tennessee -- in 2023, the state of Alabama right now, has 8 of the top 60 recruits nationally. The state of Tennessee in 2023 has....................zero in the top 60. The state of Alabama gives Saban an enormous advantage giving them a base of elite recruits every year in his backyard.

It is why the schools winning titles all have the exact same thing, a ton of elite in state talent -- the only outlier and you honestly can't really call them an outlier, as their campus is essentially on the Georgia border, is Clemson. If you aren't in one of those select few states -- your chances of winning a national title are slim.

Tennessee has the right idea now -- buying recruits like the QB from California. That's about the only way Tennessee is going to be able to recruit like Georgia and Tennessee in today's game.

It isn't only Tennessee -- the deck is stacked against pretty much everyone but a handful of teams. That's college football right now.
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Dude, go study when Tennessee was good. All of their recruits came from Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, etc. In the late Fulmer years when Mark Richt, Nick Saban, etc. started cutting him off from these areas, Tennessee did start to recruit the West Coast more.

Saban is gone, Tennessee could easily start doing that again. Hell they are recruiting pretty good right now and they didn't recruit terrible classes with Butch Jones and Jeremy Pruitt. Issue was coaching/development.

You want me to name other recruits

Jamal Lewis - Georgia
Peyton Manning - Louisiana
Travis Henry - Florida
Peerless Price - Ohio

There were some from Tennessee like Al Wilson and John Henderson but most were from surrounding states.
 
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Volbound1700 said:
Dude, go study when Tennessee was good. All of their recruits came from Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, etc. In the late Fulmer years when Mark Richt, Nick Saban, etc. started cutting him off from these areas, Tennessee did start to recruit the West Coast more.

Saban is gone, Tennessee could easily start doing that again. Hell they are recruiting pretty good right now and they didn't recruit terrible classes with Butch Jones and Jeremy Pruitt. Issue was coahing/development.
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Like many whose teams were good in 90's -- what has changed since then is pretty much.........everything. The internet gives coaches access to players from all over the country with the click of a button. National football camps gives coaches a chance to see players up close against other elite talent. High school teams now have strength and conditioning coaches and programs. Schools spend millions and millions of dollars a year on recruiting. Social media allows these recruits to contact other recruits to try and get them to come to school with them, making those in state recruits unbelievably valuable. These recruits know each other from a young age, as they will put together national 7 on 7 teams.

It isn't the 90's anymore. The only schools who will recruit like the Bama's, Georgia's, Ohio State, etc. are schools located in a state with the type of talent those schools have. USC could do it. Texas could do it. Florida could do it. Florida State could do it. LSU could do it. They'd need to find the right coach to make it happen though.

Schools like Tennessee, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc. -- it isn't happening and I'm a Michigan fan. We got to the CFP and then we saw the talent disparity between UM and Georgia. Could one of those schools catch lightning in a bottle and find an elite all american QB who could close the talent gap on his own? Sure. Auburn did it with Cam Newton. Florida State did it with Jameis Winston. Though both those schools are located in talent rich states, they are just the second choice in those states.

That is CFB today. The one thing that could change this is NIL. A school could do what A&M did and buy a recruiting class, but it is going to be awfully expensive to keep that up. Some schools have deep pockets. Hell -- As a UM fan -- I hope they start doing the same and buying kids. Stephen Ross has given UM like $400 million -- have him toss another $100 million over and use that money to buy a few kids each year.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You want a really good laugh........................imagine playing in the weak division of the B1G and only winning 13 games in 5 years. Now THAT is LMAO. :hammer:

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All you've got is distraction from your constant dumbfuckery.
 
Red_Alert said:
All you've got is distraction from your constant dumbfuckery.
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Constant dumbfuckery sums up Nebraska's season last year. But don't worry -- you are a coach away from being elite.:beer2:
 
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