B1G Media Deal

FS1 and CBSSN use to carry Army games. I think both carry some of the smaller G5 games.
 
This is good news for the PAC10 (as long as it’s standing). ESPN has to fill their shelves up.

Of course the other networks could blow up the PAC at any point, which has to be a concern for ESPN.
 
duckboy33 said:
This is good news for the PAC10 (as long as it’s standing). ESPN has to fill their shelves up.

Of course the other networks could blow up the PAC at any point, which has to be a concern for ESPN.
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Possibly but as @WhosYourDawggy pointed out, ESPN hadn't been carry a lot of B1G games currently and they mostly fill those noon slots (which would be unavailable for Pac12).

I am not sure how hard ESPN will go after Pac12.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Possibly but as @WhosYourDawggy pointed out, ESPN hadn't been carry a lot of B1G games currently and they mostly fill those noon slots (which would be unavailable for Pac12).

I am not sure how hard ESPN will go after Pac12.
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More about market share than time slots. Lots of conference can fill the Noon time slot. Only one can consistently fill the late night one
 
duckboy33 said:
More about market share than time slots. Lots of conference can fill the Noon time slot. Only one can consistently fill the late night one
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It would make sense for you guys to go with ESPN as UCLA/USC will now compete with you guys (at times) on the Night slots.
 
ericd7633 said:


$350 million distributed among the 14 teams is $25 million/school.
$350 million distributed among the 16 teams is just under $22 million/school.

This is for the rights to the 2nd best game.

I can see ND getting above $50 million based on this deal from NBC. Probably $60 million too.
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The conference takes a cut as well. So split 15 or 17ways.
 
duckboy33 said:
More about market share than time slots. Lots of conference can fill the Noon time slot. Only one can consistently fill the late night one
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Plus ESPN will go after anything they have room for ... you don't leave money on the table. They'll try to get PAC and B12. I think they have more channels than FoxSports, and CBS and NBC aren't in the business to load up a ton of timeslots ... they are more prime time slot providers.

I am really glad the SEC moved away from CBS. It really gummed up our scheduling. With ESPN handling everything, I think we are going to get better clarity on the schedule so we can better make plans. That's the only thing I see as a problem with 3 partners - the uncertainty of scheduling. 1.3 billion will make that easier to deal with, that's for sure.
 
Volbound1700 said:
It would make sense for you guys to go with ESPN as UCLA/USC will now compete with you guys (at times) on the Night slots.
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The real question is how seriously does the PAC consider Amazon or Apple. Sounds like they aren't gonna get the Big Ten content that they want. Streaming services have to vastly over pay if they want live sports content. For exposure, most conferences are reluctant to put their content on streaming services. But if espn lowballs the PAC 10 and Apple/Amazon give the PAC a giant offer, do they consider it?

PACs at a huge disadvantage from a revenue and exposure standpoint. They may have to decide to choose one
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Plus ESPN will go after anything they have room for ... you don't leave money on the table. They'll try to get PAC and B12. I think they have more channels than FoxSports, and CBS and NBC aren't in the business to load up a ton of timeslots ... they are more prime time slot providers.

I am really glad the SEC moved away from CBS. It really gummed up our scheduling. With ESPN handling everything, I think we are going to get better clarity on the schedule so we can better make plans. That's the only thing I see as a problem with 3 partners - the uncertainty of scheduling. 1.3 billion will make that easier to deal with, that's for sure.
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Yup, they've already allocated the money for college football. If they aren't spending that money on the Big Ten, that means more for the PAC 12 and Big 12.
 
To put some context to the CBS game ... ESPN purchased that one game per week that CBS had, plus 8 basketball games per year for $300 million.

For the previous 12+ years, CBS was paying the SEC $50 million per year. One reason the SEC told CBS to pound sand was that CBS wouldn't renegotiate back in 2013-ish when the SEC brought in Mizzou and ATM.
 
duckboy33 said:
The real question is how seriously does the PAC consider Amazon or Apple. Sounds like they aren't gonna get the Big Ten content that they want. Streaming services have to vastly over pay if they want live sports content. For exposure, most conferences are reluctant to put their content on streaming services. But if espn lowballs the PAC 10 and Apple/Amazon give the PAC a giant offer, do they consider it?

PACs at a huge disadvantage from a revenue and exposure standpoint. They may have to decide to choose one
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I am skeptical of streaming companies and live sports. It's just not their model ... they want content that people will watch over and over and live sports doesn't do that. I watched an MLB game on Apple+ and it was not very good. Tried to be too edgy. Now, it's a brand new thing, I get that. But do they really have the numbers to pull that off?

A quick google shows: Apple+ has between 20 million and 40 million paying subscribers, generating between $1 billion and $2 billion of annual revenue. How much can they pay for sports content? Will people really pony up for Apple+ in order to watch a random game their team plays on it?
 
From On3:

More details are emerging from the Big Ten’s media rights negotiations with ESPN. As it turns out, the network is walking away from the table — and a nearly $400 million per year deal.

John Ourand of the Sports Business Journal reported the Big Ten offered a seven-year, $380 million per year deal for ESPN to carry games as part of the new agreement. Sports Illustrated’s Ross Dellenger added the offer was for about 13 games, which is half of the current 27-game package, and included the second- and third-best games on the Big Ten slate. ESPN’s primetime window would’ve also been impacted, Dellenger said.

ESPN said no, and pulled out of the negotiations entirely, potentially setting the stage for CBS and NBC to swoop in, as previously reported by the New York Post’s Andrew Marchand.

It also means ESPN won’t have any Big Ten football or basketball games for the first time in 40 years.

To put it in perspective, ESPN currently pays the Big Ten $190 million per year, according to The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel. The latest offer would’ve been double that number. In addition, CBS is reportedly gearing up to offer a figure in the “neighborhood” of $350 million to air Big Ten games in its 3:30 p.m. ET time slot, which currently showcases SEC games.

Now, the question is what’s next for ESPN. Marchand reported Monday night that the network could target the Big 12 or the Pac-12 for potential media deals to deal with losing the Big Ten.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I am skeptical of streaming companies and live sports. It's just not their model ... they want content that people will watch over and over and live sports doesn't do that. I watched an MLB game on Apple+ and it was not very good. Tried to be too edgy. Now, it's a brand new thing, I get that. But do they really have the numbers to pull that off?

A quick google shows: Apple+ has between 20 million and 40 million paying subscribers, generating between $1 billion and $2 billion of annual revenue. How much can they pay for sports content? Will people really pony up for Apple+ in order to watch a random game their team plays on it?
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I'm skeptical of it too. But if it can deliver subscribers, it could absolutely fit their model. I'd get Apple+ or Prime if it meant getting access to all of Oregon's Football and Hoops content. However, a lot of older people probably won't and I wouldn't subscribe to either in order to watch Big 12 content (and I doubt non PAC 10 fans would do it for the PAC).

One thing to remember, a lot of these streaming services are flopping. They don't have content that people want. It appears they think live sports can help that.
 
Interesting on the NFL-like angle:

 
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duckboy33 said:
I assume FOX will get the first choice and CBS/NBC alternate for the 2nd choice.
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This is the one thing that may drive the B1G fans nuts. With CBS, they had the first pick and had to announce 10 days before the game. Then ESPN announced its choices. CBS had a number of times per year it could delay their choice for a week, giving us 5 days before we knew times. CBS could also take its 3:30 slot once a year and make it a primetime night game. This was most often Bama v. LSU, with a UGA v. ND thrown in once.

For fans that like me that like to travel, it really sucked. ESPN has said they will announce sooner when their games will be.

For the B1G with 3 different partners, it will be interesting what the pecking order is, when they have to make the call, etc. This may be one of the things that allow the networks to make more money at the expense of the fans.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
This is the one thing that may drive the B1G fans nuts. With CBS, they had the first pick and had to announce 10 days before the game. Then ESPN announced its choices. CBS had a number of times per year it could delay their choice for a week, giving us 5 days before we knew times. CBS could also take its 3:30 slot once a year and make it a primetime night game. This was most often Bama v. LSU, with a UGA v. ND thrown in once.

For fans that like me that like to travel, it really sucked. ESPN has said they will announce sooner when their games will be.

For the B1G with 3 different partners, it will be interesting what the pecking order is, when they have to make the call, etc. This may be one of the things that allow the networks to make more money at the expense of the fans.
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That's definitely an issue. Oregon has a lot of fans that fly in for games from California. If it's a day game, you can fly out later Saturday night. If it's a night game, you need to find a place to stay. The 5 day notice is a headache for late games.
 
Here's my take:

Winners:

Big Ten - Obvious reasons
NBC - With ND flirting with ending their independence status, NBC locked up some good primetime content. Worst case scenario, they have primetime Big Ten games instead. Best case scenario, they can pair this with the ND game at 3:30. On top of that, they'll get some content for Peacock.

Losers:

ESPN - It's not the end of ESPN but getting shut out of one of the premier conferences in America isn't great.
CBS - Lost the SEC game of the week and replaced it with the Big Ten's #2 or #3 game. On top of that, they're paying A LOT more for it.

Next Steps:

- ESPN has to pivot to the PAC 12 and Big 12 over the next two years. I expect they will make a push to control most of the tier 1 content here.
- After seeing the Big Ten's media deal, ND has the information it needs to negotiate with NBC and make a decision. Depending on the Irish decision, things could change a lot or not at all.
 
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