B10 new media deal worth over 1B per year

[rmilia1]

Making the B10 the 5th biggest TV deal in the world for sports

Behind only the NFL, the NBA, MLB and the EPL

Also the deal is 2 times the next highest conference desk in college sports

Itll be interesting to see how this impacts the other leagues next deals

SEC is currently at 588M. You'd have to think they'll be on a level similar to the B10 but the other leagues likely won't be close

I wonder of this expedites more expansion??

 

[ralphiewvu]

I can’t see it expediting expansion unless ND has a change of heart. There is in reality no one else left that will increase the pie for each school. It sucks for those on the outside looking in (my school) but it’s the truth.

 

[duckboy33]

I can’t see it expediting expansion unless ND has a change of heart. There is in reality no one else left that will increase the pie for each school. It sucks for those on the outside looking in (my school) but it’s the truth.

Bruce Feldman said he's not so sure that's the case. He spoke on the Rich Eisen show and said that his belief on this has changed. It sounds like the Big Ten is going to go to 20 with or without ND.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Bruce Feldman said he's not so sure that's the case. He spoke on the Rich Eisen show and said that his belief on this has changed. It sounds like the Big Ten is going to go to 20 with or without ND.

Even if it means the pie won’t get bigger or even stay the same per school?

Nothing shocks me anymore but this still seems weird.

 

[duckboy33]

Even if it means the pie won’t get bigger or even stay the same per school?

Nothing shocks me anymore but this still seems weird.

Correct. My guess it's about not leaving USC/UCLA on an island and eventually having such a large market share that you can name your price.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Correct. My guess it's about not leaving USC/UCLA on an island and eventually having such a large market share that you can name your price.

Makes sense from that perspective. So 4 more schools is UW, UO, Stanford and ?????

 

[duckboy33]

Makes sense from that perspective. So 4 more schools is UW, UO, Stanford and ?????

Presumably Cal but I doubt anything is imminent. The Big Ten is going to wait until ND signs something before moving to plan B.

 

[Deep Creek]

Guess us old farts are going to have to erase what our mind goes to when we hear the words conference, league, division, etc. The frequency of play among conference ALL members is not a necessary component any longer.

 

[Thiefery]

Guess us old farts are going to have to erase what our mind goes to when we hear the words conference, league, division, etc. The frequency of play among conference ALL members is not a necessary component any longer.

But it's been like this for a minute outside the latest version of the big12

At least with the 3-6-6 schedule, you'll see schools play at least once every 4 years, but more importantly, they keep it's rivalry games every season. My horns will be playing aggy, ou and piggy every season again.. I'm good with it

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Even if it means the pie won’t get bigger or even stay the same per school?

Nothing shocks me anymore but this still seems weird.

I recently learned that the SEC's deal is that if new teams come in, they increase the pie on a pro-rata basis, no more, no less. Where teams drive more revenue than their piece of pie, this is bad and the network gets a bonus. Where teams are worth less than the pro rata piece of pie, this is a good thing so long as you can absorb the friction costs adding those teams creates, and the network ends up subsidizing the less profitable teams.

This explains why they would do the deal with USC/UCLA first, and then bring teams in after. Do the deal with those that increase the pie, then bring in those that don't after, and you get a subsidy from the networks. That didn't make sense before, and now it does.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

But it's been like this for a minute outside the latest version of the big12

At least with the 3-6-6 schedule, you'll see schools play at least once every 4 years, but more importantly, they keep it's rivalry games every season. My horns will be playing aggy, ou and piggy every season again.. I'm good with it

I assume you mean see them play at least once "at home" every 4 years. The beauty of 3-6-6 is that you will see teams play each other "at least" every other year. A player staying 4 years will get to play in every SEC stadium.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Based on these last few posts, isn't the most likely scenario now?

- B1G takes Oregon, UDub, Cal and Stanford.
- The corner schools - ASU, UA, Colo, and Utah go to the B12.
- The States go to a G5.
- The PAC is gone.

Have we ever had a conference just disappear? With only two crappy teams, it's not like the PAC could even raid other conferences.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Making the B10 the 5th biggest TV deal in the world for sports

Behind only the NFL, the NBA, MLB and the EPL

Also the deal is 2 times the next highest conference desk in college sports

Itll be interesting to see how this impacts the other leagues next deals

SEC is currently at 588M. You'd have to think they'll be on a level similar to the B10 but the other leagues likely won't be close

I wonder of this expedites more expansion??

I know this will come off as being defensive, but it's not meant that way. I give Warren major kudos for this deal. He was horrible during Covid, but this is what he was hired for and he killed it.

With that in mind, your statement that "the deal is 2 times the next highest conference desk in college sports" isn't accurate because of the timing of all this.

The B1G deal is for $8 billion over 7 years, but it's backloaded. By the time the events that cause the backloading - USC and UCLA coming into the league, and the CBS component of the deal not kicking in until 2025 - the SEC will have its own new deal in 2024, with an extra $250 million in 2025 when CBS drops the SEC and ESPN takes over that game.

I would also point out that the total of the deal doesn't really matter ... what matters is the per team revenue. For example, let's say that the new deal allows the B1G to bring in 4 more teams. If that generates a pro rata share for all 4, then the total amount is higher, but the per team revenue doesn't change. No one will care. If they don't get a pro rata share for the 4 teams, but do it anyway, they will have a larger amount but less per team. People will care about that.

These graphs were in May 2022, before USC and UCLA, and the new B1G deal. But they contemplated this new contract and the very large numbers. I mean this is a great deal, but it's not a surprising deal to anyone who has been following this. It will be interesting to see if they update this in light of the new B1G developments.

 

[outofyourmind]

I know this will come off as being defensive, but it's not meant that way. I give Warren major kudos for this deal. He was horrible during Covid, but this is what he was hired for and he killed it.

With that in mind, your statement that "the deal is 2 times the next highest conference desk in college sports" isn't accurate because of the timing of all this.

The B1G deal is for $8 billion over 7 years, but it's backloaded. By the time the events that cause the backloading - USC and UCLA coming into the league, and the CBS component of the deal not kicking in until 2025 - the SEC will have its own new deal in 2024, with an extra $250 million in 2025 when CBS drops the SEC and ESPN takes over that game.

I would also point out that the total of the deal doesn't really matter ... what matters is the per team revenue. For example, let's say that the new deal allows the B1G to bring in 4 more teams. If that generates a pro rata share for all 4, then the total amount is higher, but the per team revenue doesn't change. No one will care. If they don't get a pro rata share for the 4 teams, but do it anyway, they will have a larger amount but less per team. People will care about that.

These graphs were in May 2022, before USC and UCLA, and the new B1G deal. But they contemplated this new contract and the very large numbers. I mean this is a great deal, but it's not a surprising deal to anyone who has been following this. It will be interesting to see if they update this in light of the new B1G developments.

The SEC seems to jump a lot from 24-25 and then again in 25-26
What's going on there again ???

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The SEC seems to jump a lot from 24-25 and then again in 25-26
What's going on there again ???

If you are referring to the OU/TX move, I don't think that's it. This was going to happen even before the OU/TX move.

The main ESPN contract was always going to start in 2024. That was negotiated in 2020. Also, the CBS game move to ESPN which brings in $250 million more has nothing to do with OU/TX. It was also negotiated before the OU/TX move.

The 25-26 changes are because of the CFP expansion that everyone knew would happen in the 2025-26 season because that is when the CFP contract expired. That's when OOC scheduling tough begins, for the most part, so people saw that coming a long time ago.

We can give credit to the OU/TX move for the changing of the SEC IC scheduling, and I am grateful for that.

I know it is my SEC bias - born a bred SEC - but I just don't think the B1G is going to be able to touch what the SEC will put on the field. And, I am not just talking championships. I mean week-to-week games where you have AU, UA, LSU, OU, TX, ATM, UF, UGA, and even UTjr playing each other, sprinkling in games with Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Kentucky.

 

[Thiefery]

If you are referring to the OU/TX move, I don't think that's it. This was going to happen even before the OU/TX move.

The main ESPN contract was always going to start in 2024. That was negotiated in 2020. Also, the CBS game move to ESPN which brings in $250 million more has nothing to do with OU/TX. It was also negotiated before the OU/TX move.

The 25-26 changes are because of the CFP expansion that everyone knew would happen in the 2025-26 season because that is when the CFP contract expired. That's when OOC scheduling tough begins, for the most part, so people saw that coming a long time ago.

We can give credit to the OU/TX move for the changing of the SEC IC scheduling, and I am grateful for that.

I know it is my SEC bias - born a bred SEC - but I just don't think the B1G is going to be able to touch what the SEC will put on the field. And, I am not just talking championships. I mean week-to-week games where you have AU, UA, LSU, OU, TX, ATM, UF, UGA, and even UTjr playing each other, sprinkling in games with Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Kentucky.

The BiGs next move is going to play players who choose to play in that conference.. They are going to give a percentage of equal revenue for the players on scholarships.. They hope this will give their schools better access across the south to get recruits

 

[outofyourmind]

I know this will come off as being defensive, but it's not meant that way. I give Warren major kudos for this deal. He was horrible during Covid, but this is what he was hired for and he killed it.

With that in mind, your statement that "the deal is 2 times the next highest conference desk in college sports" isn't accurate because of the timing of all this.

The B1G deal is for $8 billion over 7 years, but it's backloaded. By the time the events that cause the backloading - USC and UCLA coming into the league, and the CBS component of the deal not kicking in until 2025 - the SEC will have its own new deal in 2024, with an extra $250 million in 2025 when CBS drops the SEC and ESPN takes over that game.

I would also point out that the total of the deal doesn't really matter ... what matters is the per team revenue. For example, let's say that the new deal allows the B1G to bring in 4 more teams. If that generates a pro rata share for all 4, then the total amount is higher, but the per team revenue doesn't change. No one will care. If they don't get a pro rata share for the 4 teams, but do it anyway, they will have a larger amount but less per team. People will care about that.

These graphs were in May 2022, before USC and UCLA, and the new B1G deal. But they contemplated this new contract and the very large numbers. I mean this is a great deal, but it's not a surprising deal to anyone who has been following this. It will be interesting to see if they update this in light of the new B1G developments.

How much does the PAC go down without USC/UCLA

 

[duckboy33]

Based on these last few posts, isn't the most likely scenario now?

- B1G takes Oregon, UDub, Cal and Stanford.
- The corner schools - ASU, UA, Colo, and Utah go to the B12.
- The States go to a G5.
- The PAC is gone.

Have we ever had a conference just disappear? With only two crappy teams, it's not like the PAC could even raid other conferences.

I believe that's the most likely scenario.

Some realistic scenarios that could complicate that:
1) Cal doesn't get an invite because the Irish reverse course
2) Big 12 doesn't take all of the corner 4. Maybe they only take 2 of them.

If the PAC ends up having just OSU and WSU, they're in trouble. Long shot would be hoping the MWC schools don't like their leadership and make the jump.

PAC 10 could be: OSU, WSU, Boise, Fresno, San Diego State, UNLV, Utah State, Colorado State, Air Force and SMU

 

[Thiefery]

How much does the PAC go down without USC/UCLA

i think the estimated payout decreased like 12-15 mil

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

PAC 10 could be: OSU, WSU, Boise, Fresno, San Diego State, UNLV, Utah State, Colorado State, Air Force and SMU

But why? They wouldn't be considered P5, so there is no advantage. I suppose they could argue we will pull all the best West G5 into one conference to maximize value, but again it won't be considered P5. Interesting thought.