Smart on scheduling tough OOC

NewPhoneWhoDis · Aug 22, 2022

Tharvot said:
OOC games have no bearing whatsoever on conference championships

CFP will expand, making a potential early season OOC loss far less impactful

Yes, but you are much more likely to get injured in a hard hitting game against another elite team than you are playing a cupcake.

In the B1G and SEC -- it gives them little to no reason to play a tough OOC, when they will have the top SOS already with their conference games.

NewPhoneWhoDis · Aug 22, 2022

Wild Turkey said:
If they expand the playoff to 12 teams that takes a lot of pressure off OOC games and hopefully makes it more likely that they happen. Dropping an early OOC game doesn't hurt you nearly as much at that point.

If they expand to 12 -- then I agree. Teams could still schedule big OOC games. At 4 it makes no sense at all for teams in the B1G or SEC, when they will essentially be the entire top 20 for SOS

Thiefery · Aug 22, 2022

Wild Turkey said:
I question if you understand recruiting at all.

I understand that home teams can host OV and UV to the games.. if you think it makes THAT much of a difference playing in Dallas.. I don't think you understand recruiting.. Not like it's going to help Auburn.. you play in College Station every other season.

Gatorchip · Aug 22, 2022

Red_Alert said:
View attachment 82338

Clemson: (10-3)
UAB: (9-4) G5
South Carolina: (7-6)
Vanderbilt: (2-10)
Arkansas: (9-4)
Auburn: (6-7)
Kentucky: (10-3)
Florida; (6-7)
Missouri: (6-7)
Tennessee: (7-6)
Charleston Southern: FCS
Georgia Tech: (3-9)

We beat each other up

NewPhoneWhoDis · Aug 22, 2022

duckboy33 said:
Don't be so sure. Networks aren't giving these contracts to get UGA vs. Georgia State.

Pushing playoff expansion makes this easier. Teams can lose an OOC game and still be in good shape for a 16 team playoff.

What you don't seem to get is -- the SEC and the B1G already had a huge inventory of games with 3, 4, 5+ million views. This was BEFORE they added USC/UCLA and Texas/OU.

23 of the top 30 most watched teams in CFB are in the B1G and SEC. With Oklahoma going to the SEC, the 8 most watched teams in CFB, all averaging 3-5 million viewers per game are in the B1G and SEC. The teams that NEED the OOC games are in the Pac, Big 12, ACC -- the B1G and SEC don't need that.

duckboy33 · Aug 22, 2022

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
What you don't seem to get is -- the SEC and the B1G already had a huge inventory of games with 3, 4, 5+ million views. This was BEFORE they added USC/UCLA and Texas/OU.

23 of the top 30 most watched teams in CFB are in the B1G and SEC. With Oklahoma going to the SEC, the 8 most watched teams in CFB, all averaging 3-5 million viewers per game are in the B1G and SEC. The teams that NEED the OOC games are in the Pac, Big 12, ACC -- the B1G and SEC don't need that.

These big contracts are not being given so each Big Ten and SEC team can schedule 3 games that nobody wants to watch. The plan is clear. Expand the playoffs to 16, cut down on the cupcake games and improve the inventory

WhosYourDawggy · Aug 22, 2022

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The OOC you have scheduled is with 8 conference games. If you go to 9, those OOC games will go away, because Smart isn't dumb -- the more high impact games you play, the more you risk injury.

And I'm not pounding my chest about OOC games -- I really couldn't care less about OOC games. I was simply pointing out that Smart is full of it

Why don't you wait to see what happens before calling him FOS. Right now he says he likes them and why.

We were playing big OOC games when it could just as easily could have cost us a chance for the CFP, when a single loss eliminated us. Smart didn't dodge them then, he sought them out. It's actually better with the 12 team CFP where you can lose a tough OOC and still get in, and SOS will matter.

Look at our OOC schedule in the future ... we have some years where we have 2 big OOC games:

2026 - Louisville, UCLA
2027 - FSU, Louisville
2028 - Texas, FSU (Texas game will be dropped obviously)
2029 - Texas, Clemson (Texas game will be dropped obviously)
2030 - Clemson, TOSU
2031 - tOSU, OU (OU game will be dropped)
2033 - Clemson, NCState

So with 8 IC games, we most often scheduled two tough OOC. Does that strike you as a coach that is scared of competition?

I am sure we will move some of them around because (1) we now have gaps in 28, 29, and 31, and (2) with a 9 game IC schedule no way were a going to play two tough OOC games, plus Tech. We might even have to cancel some for the same reason.

I am going to be real interested in seeing what your new schedule is going to look like with 16/20 teams. The SEC is going balls to the wall with our 9 game IC, 3-6-6 format. Will be interesting to see if your conference does the same.

When your team actually schedule 1 tough OOC then you can bitch.

WhosYourDawggy · Aug 22, 2022

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
What you don't seem to get is -- the SEC and the B1G already had a huge inventory of games with 3, 4, 5+ million views. This was BEFORE they added USC/UCLA and Texas/OU.

23 of the top 30 most watched teams in CFB are in the B1G and SEC. With Oklahoma going to the SEC, the 8 most watched teams in CFB, all averaging 3-5 million viewers per game are in the B1G and SEC. The teams that NEED the OOC games are in the Pac, Big 12, ACC -- the B1G and SEC don't need that.

The fuck you talking about? Do you think you got those $8 billion so you can play a pussy schedule with UConn, Hawaii, and ColoSt? You are on the wrong side of this. The expanded CFP is all about tougher schedules. You better get used to it.

iowajerms · Aug 22, 2022

Smart scheduling would include "Do not schedule North Dakota State".

NewPhoneWhoDis · Aug 22, 2022

duckboy33 said:
These big contracts are not being given so each Big Ten and SEC team can schedule 3 games that nobody wants to watch. The plan is clear. Expand the playoffs to 16, cut down on the cupcake games and improve the inventory

The B1G and SEC are going to get the huge contracts because THEY ALREADY HAVE THE HUGE AUDIENCES.

Ohio State — 5.22M
Michigan — 4.74M
Alabama — 4.64M
Penn State — 3.87M
Georgia — 3.61M
Oklahoma — 3.46M
Auburn — 3.22M
Michigan State — 2.89M

Here are the average number of viewers per game for the top 8 teams. Conferences like the B1G and SEC don't have to rely on the CFP to draw big ratings. They have a bunch of teams already bringing in big numbers and adding in USC/UCLA and Texas/OU only adds to the huge inventory.

EVERY OTHER CONFERENCE needs those big OOC games. And personally, I don't think there is a chance they go to 16 teams in the CFP. It is rarely competitive with 4 teams, adding 12 more isn't going to fly. Also -- I don't see players agreeing to it, as it would mean they could play 16 or 17 games a year.

WhosYourDawggy · Aug 22, 2022

Red_Alert said:
View attachment 82338

Clemson: (10-3)
UAB: (9-4) G5
South Carolina: (7-6)
Vanderbilt: (2-10)
Arkansas: (9-4)
Auburn: (6-7)
Kentucky: (10-3)
Florida; (6-7)
Missouri: (6-7)
Tennessee: (7-6)
Charleston Southern: FCS
Georgia Tech: (3-9)

You forgot the most important part of the gauntlet: UGA 34 - Michigan 11.

What happens when reality hits you in the face:

WhosYourDawggy · Aug 22, 2022

duckboy33 said:
These big contracts are not being given so each Big Ten and SEC team can schedule 3 games that nobody wants to watch. The plan is clear. Expand the playoffs to 16, cut down on the cupcake games and improve the inventory

I don't think they will go to 16. 12 is way better for a number of reasons, primarily no one wants to watch 1 v. 16, 2 v. 15, 3 v. 14 and 4 v. 13.

But agree 100% that the networks are expecting more really good games. B1G better be going to 3-6-6 like the SEC.

duckboy33 · Aug 22, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think they will go to 16. 12 is way better for a number of reasons, primarily no one wants to watch 1 v. 16, 2 v. 15, 3 v. 14 and 4 v. 13.

But agree 100% that the networks are expecting more really good games. B1G better be going to 3-6-6 like the SEC.

expanding to 12 does the same thing. I’ve just thrown out 16 because that seems to be the new talking point

Deep Creek · Aug 22, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
Why don't you wait to see what happens before calling him FOS. Right now he says he likes them and why.

We were playing big OOC games when it could just as easily could have cost us a chance for the CFP, when a single loss eliminated us. Smart didn't dodge them then, he sought them out. It's actually better with the 12 team CFP where you can lose a tough OOC and still get in, and SOS will matter.

Look at our OOC schedule in the future ... we have some years where we have 2 big OOC games:

2026 - Louisville, UCLA
2027 - FSU, Louisville
2028 - Texas, FSU (Texas game will be dropped obviously)
2029 - Texas, Clemson (Texas game will be dropped obviously)
2030 - Clemson, TOSU
2031 - tOSU, OU (OU game will be dropped)
2033 - Clemson, NCState

So with 8 IC games, we most often scheduled two tough OOC. Does that strike you as a coach that is scared of competition?

I am sure we will move some of them around because (1) we now have gaps in 28, 29, and 31, and (2) with a 9 game IC schedule no way were a going to play two tough OOC games, plus Tech. We might even have to cancel some for the same reason.

I am going to be real interested in seeing what your new schedule is going to look like with 16/20 teams. The SEC is going balls to the wall with our 9 game IC, 3-6-6 format. Will be interesting to see if your conference does the same.

When your team actually schedule 1 tough OOC then you can bitch.

Games are scheduled way too far out IMHO. During COVID teams were able to cobble together schedules/play games without having to do it 5 years before the game is played.

WhosYourDawggy · Aug 22, 2022

Deep Creek said:
Games are scheduled way too far out IMHO. During COVID teams were able to cobble together schedules/play games without having to do it 5 years before the game is played.

I don't think trying to prove a point using a pandemic is going to get you where you want to go. Especially because far more often than not they couldn't pull the games together at the last minute.

Celebrate we are about to get way better IC games, and should get better OOC with the expanded CFP.

WhosYourDawggy · Aug 22, 2022

duckboy33 said:
expanding to 12 does the same thing. I’ve just thrown out 16 because that seems to be the new talking point

I think it's a negotiating tactic thrown out by The Alliance (RIP) because they want to look like they had a reason for doing that - it should have been 16, not 12 and we probably would have gotten it done.

Deep Creek · Aug 22, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think trying to prove a point using a pandemic is going to get you where you want to go. Especially because far more often than not they couldn't pull the games together at the last minute.

Celebrate we are about to get way better IC games, and should get better OOC with the expanded CFP.

Still don't need to do it 10+ years out. Again, JMO.

duckboy33 · Aug 22, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
I think it's a negotiating tactic thrown out by The Alliance (RIP) because they want to look like they had a reason for doing that - it should have been 16, not 12 and we probably would have gotten it done.

the alliance was more about what networks controlled the CFP. 16 is probably where we end up unless someone is gonna really push for 12

Kburjr · Aug 22, 2022

The networks want better matchups, the season ticket holders want better matchups. If I still lived near Madison, I would pay season ticket prices to watch that OOC schedule.

*not pay

NewPhoneWhoDis · Aug 22, 2022

WhosYourDawggy said:
The fuck you talking about? Do you think you got those $8 billion so you can play a pussy schedule with UConn, Hawaii, and ColoSt? You are on the wrong side of this. The expanded CFP is all about tougher schedules. You better get used to it.

We got the 8 billion dollars because more people watch the B1G than any other conference, including the SEC. 3 of the 4 most watched teams are from the B1G. 6 of the top 12 most watched are from the B1G.

THAT is why they got the huge contract. It isn't just OSU, UM, PSU. Teams like Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska average 2.5-3 million viewers per game.

They also paid the absurd amount because the B1G is a huge basketball conference too.

To put it in perspective for you, you know how big a deal Georgia was last year. They would have been the 4th most viewed B1G school if they were in that conference. Ohio State AVERAGED 1.6 million more viewers per game than Georgia. Michigan AVERAGED 1.1 million more viewers per game than Georgia.

The B1G has a massive amount of viewers for both football and basketball.