This Big XII Way Of Thinking...

It's not that UT and ou are leaving, those schools were the marquee games for everyone else in the conference. That's going to hurt the schools left over long term. The bluechips that do choose Baylor/TCU/Tech/osu will tend to now go elsewhere in the SEC.. You can already see it this cycle.. Tech lost one to tosu, Baylor lost one to ND.. a sneaky find by TCU flipped to UT once UT offered.

Will the additions of Cincinnati/UH/BYU/UCF change it?
 
duckboy33 said:
Big 12 is in a good position to be a viable conference that regularly sends team to an expanded playoff.
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they should get an AQ.. as should the PAC and G5 collectively.. Will that be enough to keep them competitive long term?
 
Collegefbfan said:
First off, this is not my point of view. I am not smart enough to even think of this. I heard this on a podcast awhile back, around the time Texas and Oklahoma decided to go to the SEC, and the Big XII was going to be left as a dumpster fire. Would the new Big XII be considered a power 5 conference? The guy said, "Well, weren't all these teams in the Big XII good enough to be beat to have the conference champ go to the playoff (sometimes)? So, now, without these two teams, the conference is not considered power 5 (or will it be)? The same Oklahoma team that lost 8 bowl games since winning their national title against Florida State. The same Texas team that hasn't won the conference since 2009. Some of the remaining teams like Baylor, TCU, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State have won the conference, so it isn't just an Oklahoma and Texas conference. Will the new Big XII be a P5 conference?

Thoughts?
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No it will not. The minute that OU and Texas are out of the Big12, it becomes the next G5. No doubt about it. Same goes for the PAC once SC and UCLA are gone.
 
What if I told you the winner of a title game between the future pac12 and the future big12 champs could be a guaranteed spot in the cfb playoff....do you make that merge?
 
The gap between P12/B12 and the top G5 will still be huge. Idk what y'all want to call it, P5 , Mid3 but I'm not sure if it matters. The expanded talks will be interesting but more than likely there will be AQs to get these conferences in
 
Deep Creek said:
P5 isn’t about quality of football or any athletic program. It is about how much revenue a team/conference can generate. And using revenue as the standard, only two “P5” conferences really exist.
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There is actually a definition of what P5 and G5 is somewhere in the CFP documents. The issue only really matters for the CFP. Because they didn't vote on it last year, the old agreement won't mean a thing when they meet going forward. The SEC, B1G and ND will be driving the truck this time around. They will decide who is P5 and who is G5 for the purpose of gaining invites. The old G5 teams backed the SEC before because they were more generous to the G5. If the B1G and SEC are at loggerheads, the G5 will back whichever one is advocating for anything that might get two of their teams in. The PAC, B12 and ACC will simply be glad to get their champion in.
 
TaikoTiger said:
The gap between P12/B12 and the top G5 will still be huge. Idk what y'all want to call it, P5 , Mid3 but I'm not sure if it matters. The expanded talks will be interesting but more than likely there will be AQs to get these conferences in
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I am for AQs, but you can be sure that Sankey's initial offer is going to be for 12 at large teams - 12 best, no AQs. He's still pissed at the ACC, PAC and B1G for what they did.

I really want AQs, but my guess is it will be the top 4 or 6 ranked conference champs from the 10 or 9 conferences (assuming the PAC may not survive). I don't think it will be P5s + 1 G5 as those definitions just may not make sense as you point out.
 
Also, don't forget that the PAC might get its balls cut off if 4 teams go to the B1G, and 4 to the B12. In that case, some here have said they would probably raid all the west coast conferences and get their best teams and try to pull together a super G5 conference. Whether they get the Rose Bowl tie-in and/or an AQ into the CFP would be interesting.
 
Thiefery said:
they should get an AQ.. as should the PAC and G5 collectively.. Will that be enough to keep them competitive long term?
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They don't even need the AQ. If it's just the top 12 or 16, the Big 12 is going to get teams in the playoffs.

They aren't going to get the TV deal that the P2 are getting but it's enough to be viable IMO.
 
MagicTaco said:
What if I told you the winner of a title game between the future pac12 and the future big12 champs could be a guaranteed spot in the cfb playoff....do you make that merge?
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I don't think so, not as the conferences are currently constructed. If the playoffs expand to 12/16 as expected, access shouldn't be an issue for either champion.

But I think the PAC is going to lose 3 or 4 members to the Big Ten and then potentially lose up to 4 more members to the Big 12. The question then is about survival. Can the PAC recruit enough G5 schools from the MWC and Texas to make something work?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Also, don't forget that the PAC might get its balls cut off if 4 teams go to the B1G, and 4 to the B12. In that case, some here have said they would probably raid all the west coast conferences and get their best teams and try to pull together a super G5 conference. Whether they get the Rose Bowl tie-in and/or an AQ into the CFP would be interesting.
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I don't think the Rose Bowl or the Big Ten are going to want the PAC in the Rose Bowl if it's OSU/WSU and a bunch of G5 teams.

They could have access to the playoffs though IMO.
 
duckboy33 said:
I don't think the Rose Bowl or the Big Ten are going to want the PAC in the Rose Bowl if it's OSU/WSU and a bunch of G5 teams.

They could have access to the playoffs though IMO.
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Why would they (or the networks) want them in an expanded playoff when it benefits them to leave em out?
 
duckboy33 said:
Big 12 is in a good position to be a viable conference that regularly sends team to an expanded playoff.
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Especially when you guys come on down.

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Hard Truths

1. There will be two conferences making the lion's share of the money.
2. The rest of the conferences will be so far behind in total revenue that in just a few years it will be ridiculous to consider them even close to the SEC and B1G.
3. The only thing that might save a few teams is getting poached out of the lesser conferences and shifted over to the Big Boy Conferences.
4. The super try-hards will cry about how the CFP needs to be expanded......a lot. It's already started.
5. Anything past the top half dozen teams in a playoff is just a participation trophy.
6. If they don't get some things fixed in CFB the sport is headed to hell in overdrive.
7. If two conferences end up with all the best teams and most of the money, they will feel like they are living in a school bus surrounded by land mines.
8. Shooting any politician who wants to come in and "fix" CFB should be classified as a misdemeanor. No jail time.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I am for AQs, but you can be sure that Sankey's initial offer is going to be for 12 at large teams - 12 best, no AQs. He's still pissed at the ACC, PAC and B1G for what they did.

I really want AQs, but my guess is it will be the top 4 or 6 ranked conference champs from the 10 or 9 conferences (assuming the PAC may not survive). I don't think it will be P5s + 1 G5 as those definitions just may not make sense as you point out.
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Sankey can be mad but he still only has one vote 🙂

But I agree that we're looking at 4-6 top ranked conference champs getting into the expanded playoffs
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
There is actually a definition of what P5 and G5 is somewhere in the CFP documents. The issue only really matters for the CFP. Because they didn't vote on it last year, the old agreement won't mean a thing when they meet going forward. The SEC, B1G and ND will be driving the truck this time around. They will decide who is P5 and who is G5 for the purpose of gaining invites. The old G5 teams backed the SEC before because they were more generous to the G5. If the B1G and SEC are at loggerheads, the G5 will back whichever one is advocating for anything that might get two of their teams in. The PAC, B12 and ACC will simply be glad to get their champion in.
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Well Cincy did make it into the CFP with the mere crumbs of G5 revenue so that sounds like they will support which of the two is friendlier to them.

Kind of makes a person wonder what the hell a lot of P5 programs that get 20+ times G5 revenue are doing with it. They ain’t getting comparable results. 12 of 14 PAC schools haven’t made the playoffs. 9 of 10 Big 12 teams haven’t. 11 of 14 B1G teams haven’t. 12 of 14 ACC teams haven’t. Only the SEC has decent varied representation. But lowly Cincy makes it off of crumbs.
 
CoalTrain said:
Why would they (or the networks) want them in an expanded playoff when it benefits them to leave em out?
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It doesn’t necessarily benefit them or the networks to exclude the other conferences from the playoffs. At least not in the long term.

It’s not good for the health of the sport long term to say that you need to be in the Big Ten or SEC to qualify for the playoffs. Those conferences will of course receive most of the bids
 
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