This Big XII Way Of Thinking...

Deep Creek said:
Do you see the ACC making an amount anywhere close to the B1G and SEC? I don't think hoops can carry the ACC to a number anywhere close to the other two. In fact, a good case can be made that the Big 12 has been a better hoops conference lately.
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All the projections indicate we will have G5, P5-3, and then P5-2, from an economic perspective. From a competition perspective, you have to like the ACC better than the PAC and B12 with Clemson, alone. If FSU and Miami can get back to being competitive, they have 3 teams with a chance to get into the CFP in any given year. NCSU, Wake, maybe even Pitt can compete with the best of the B12 and the PAC. Oregon might give the PAC a boost, but not when compared to Clemson.

I don't play close attention to the teams in those conferences, so maybe fans of teams in those conferences can say why the PAC > ACC, or B12 > ACC, from a quality of teams perspective.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
All the projections indicate we will have G5, P5-3, and then P5-2, from an economic perspective. From a competition perspective, you have to like the ACC better than the PAC and B12 with Clemson, alone. If FSU and Miami can get back to being competitive, they have 3 teams with a chance to get into the CFP in any given year. NCSU, Wake, maybe even Pitt can compete with the best of the B12 and the PAC. Oregon might give the PAC a boost, but not when compared to Clemson.

I don't play close attention to the teams in those conferences, so maybe fans of teams in those conferences can say why the PAC > ACC, or B12 > ACC, from a quality of teams perspective.
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Trying to figure out which of those three conferences is better than the other two is like finding the tallest midget. Still a midget.

I just think all three will be so far behind the other two financially that they'll all drop over time. So one is $35 million behind the big 2, the next is $40 million behind and the third is $45 million behind. That's still a bunch....even if you aren't as far behind as the other two.
 
I consider Big12 and Pac12 to be the equivalent of the Big East from 2001-2011 or so. They are better than G5 but not at the same level as other P5 leagues.

A Big12 and Pac12 team could make 12-team playoff but they will have to be unbeaten and win a meaningful OOC game or two.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I consider Big12 and Pac12 to be the equivalent of the Big East from 2001-2011 or so. They are better than G5 but not at the same level as other P5 leagues.

A Big12 and Pac12 team could make 12-team playoff but they will have to be unbeaten and win a meaningful OOC game or two.
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you talking about when Miami as the Big East champ won the NC and then played for it another time?
and when those Big East teams won 6 more BCS bowls(lost4) before becoming the AAC?
 
OlyDuck said:
you talking about when Miami as the Big East champ won the NC and then played for it another time?
and when those Big East teams won 6 more BCS bowls(lost4) before becoming the AAC?
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Good call, I meant after Miami. 2004-2010.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I consider Big12 and Pac12 to be the equivalent of the Big East from 2001-2011 or so. They are better than G5 but not at the same level as other P5 leagues.

A Big12 and Pac12 team could make 12-team playoff but they will have to be unbeaten and win a meaningful OOC game or two.
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i cant speak much on the Big 12 since only oklahoma made it but why this criteria now?
when Oregon made the playoff they were not undefeated, did not play USC, and had 1 meaningful OOC
When Washington made the playoff they were not undefeated, Lost to USC, and their ooc was trash (Rutgers, Idaho and Portland state)
 
OlyDuck said:
i cant speak much on the Big 12 since only oklahoma made it but why this criteria now?
when Oregon made the playoff they were not undefeated, did not play USC, and had 1 meaningful OOC
When Washington made the playoff they were not undefeated, Lost to USC, and their ooc was trash (Rutgers, Idaho and Portland state)
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You lost two of your premier programs. I think first 3-4 years you will be fine but you will eventually not have the $$$$ to compete at a higher level unless you get into the B1G or another league. (I think Oregon finds a way to eventually get into the B1G).
 
Volbound1700 said:
Good call, I meant after Miami. 2004-2010.
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oh so 2005 when 11 BE champ WVU beat SEC champ #5 UGA?
2006 BE champ #6 Louisville beat ACC champ 14 WF/
2007 BE champ #9 WVU beat Big XII champ #4 Oklahoma?
 
OlyDuck said:
oh so 2005 when 11 BE champ WVU beat SEC champ #5 UGA?
2006 BE champ #6 Louisville beat ACC champ 14 WF/
2007 BE champ #9 WVU beat Big XII champ #4 Oklahoma?
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They were still considered a lesser league. I mean Boise State and others have beaten someone. It is easy to win a game but that doesn't make your league stellar. What happened to WVU after they joined the Big12? Louisville after joining the ACC? None of them played for National Titles or competing at the top level.
 
Volbound1700 said:
You lost two of your premier programs. I think first 3-4 years you will be fine but you will eventually not have the $$$$ to compete at a higher level unless you get into the B1G or another league. (I think Oregon finds a way to eventually get into the B1G).
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no body is paying attention to losing UCLA

teams like Vanderbilt, Kansas, colorado, Indiana, Duke, northwestern have had the money and cant compete
teams like Boise State, San Diego State, BYU, UCF, Northern Illinois, Cinci, Houston havent had the money and have.
 
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OlyDuck said:
no body is paying attention to losing UCLA

teams like Vanderbilt, Kansas, colorado, Indiana, Duke, northwestern have had the money and cant compete
teams like Boise State, San Diego State, BYU, UCF, Northern Illinois, Cinci, Houston havent had the money and have.
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Scheduling.

Tennessee, despite being a shit storm, could win 9-10 games most years playing Boise State's schedules. Big difference between G5 and P5 level.
 
@OlyDuck

Think of it this way. When I was in Highschool, I went to a single A private school. There are 1-5As in Tennessee.

My high school beat teams from 3A, did that mean we were a 3A program or could compete regular in 3A? No. We don't have the student body, finances, or resources to compete regularly at a higher level.

To me, I don't understand why G5 teams are not in the lower division. It is kind of ridiculous to have teams that can go undefeated but are left out because they play at an entirely different talent level but are supposedly in the same division. Too many FBS teams.
 
The new Big 12, with the additions of BYU, Cincy, Houston and UCF, minus OU and TX, will be a GREAT basketball league. Honestly, most years it will probably be the #1 league. TX hasn't done much the last decade in basketball and OU had the FF year in 2016, but outside of that has only made the S16 one other time. Houston is on a roll right now in basketball and is a top 3 team heading into next year, and is set up pretty good. This league has GREAT Bball coaches and my guess is most won't be going anywhere. I love where the league is from a long term perspective.

This reminds me of what the Big East was post Miami and VT leaving. An elite basketball conference and a good football conference. It won't be considered P5 in terms of revenue, but it'll be a solid league with 3/4 ranked teams every season. A better AAC, if you will. I hope the league sticks together because it's going to be entertaining to watch from a football and basketball perspective.
 
OlyDuck said:
no body is paying attention to losing UCLA

teams like Vanderbilt, Kansas, colorado, Indiana, Duke, northwestern have had the money and cant compete
teams like Boise State, San Diego State, BYU, UCF, Northern Illinois, Cinci, Houston havent had the money and have.
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LOL ... you think if BSU, SDSU, BYU, UCF, UNI, Cincy, and Houston played B1G or SEC schedules, they would have the same results?

Look there is no excuse for what Vanderbilt hasn't done, and they are now starting to spend money. But Ws and Ls are a zero sum game. Half the teams lose in ICs games.
 
ericd7633 said:
The new Big 12, with the additions of BYU, Cincy, Houston and UCF, minus OU and TX, will be a GREAT basketball league. Honestly, most years it will probably be the #1 league. TX hasn't done much the last decade in basketball and OU had the FF year in 2016, but outside of that has only made the S16 one other time. Houston is on a roll right now in basketball and is a top 3 team heading into next year, and is set up pretty good. This league has GREAT Bball coaches and my guess is most won't be going anywhere. I love where the league is from a long term perspective.

This reminds me of what the Big East was post Miami and VT leaving. An elite basketball conference and a good football conference. It won't be considered P5 in terms of revenue, but it'll be a solid league with 3/4 ranked teams every season. A better AAC, if you will. I hope the league sticks together because it's going to be entertaining to watch from a football and basketball perspective.
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That is exactly what I said a few posts earlier and took slack for it.
 
Volbound1700 said:
You lost two of your premier programs. I think first 3-4 years you will be fine but you will eventually not have the $$$$ to compete at a higher level unless you get into the B1G or another league. (I think Oregon finds a way to eventually get into the B1G).
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Do you think the ACC is going to have the $$$$$ anywhere close to what the B1G and SEC will?

I don’t see the current ACC as any more attractive than the PAC or Big 12. Clemson’s been propping them up and that won’t last forever.

What I’m hoping for is some under the radar teams from “ the other three” conferences really kill it in regards to using the transfer portal and NIL.
 
Deep Creek said:
What I’m hoping for is some under the radar teams from “ the other three” conferences really kill it in regards to using the transfer portal and NIL.
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Here's YOUR chance to step up, Mr. UTEP!! Get your checkbook out! :heh: :headbanger:

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Seriously, though... Everything is going WONKERS these days! :drink:
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
It was always that the G5 just don't make enough money. That's the problem the PAC and the B12 will have this time around.

You could be correct on 6 AQs, but with the B12 and PAC being a shell of their former selves, why? I can see the SEC advocating for 4. I would imagine that the idea that it is 5 P5 + 1 G5 is totally out at this point. The Alliance was big on that, but that won't survive this round of negotiations.
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I just think there's more conferences for 6 AQs. For me I never been big on AQs, so I'm ok with 4 or 6. With 4 I like for better matchups and the drama on who's going to be the 4th conference to get the AQ. With 6, I think it gives fans more conferences to watch for during the regular season and keeps the fans of the mid-level engaged and watching CFB as there are not left out
 
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