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About 9am but a day behind. lol
ESPN Lowballs The PAC
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Still won't watch.
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There seem to be 3 possible scenarios:
- ESPN isn't lowballing... the PAC was already a tough sell ... without USC and UCLA (hate giving them any credit), and the time zone issues, there just aren't a lot of compelling game that will draw a lot of eyeballs.
- ESPN is saying, if we don't give them a deal, they will have to merge with the B12, and we can get some eyeballs with those games. At least more for both conferences than the two apart.
- ESPN knows that Oregon and Washington, and perhaps Cal and Stanford have a good chance of heading to the B1G in the near future, even if not this year, and aren't going to overpay without assurances about shrinkage.
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OR....Amazon buys the rights for the PAC12N, gets USC and UCLA to remain in the PAC12, and then gets BYU and SDSU to join the PAC 12 which then becomes the PAC14, and we all live happily ever after.
It could happen...right?
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The more I think about it, it's probably all 3 ... not overly compelling teams, Ore and Wash are really holding out for B1G, and ESPN would love to have the inventory of a 20 team B12 more than the 16 team B12 and the 10 team PAC. Games with Baylor, OSU, BYU, Utah, the Texas schools, UCF would probably be more compelling than games in the PAC. If they can get it to a 24 team by also bringing in Ore, UW, Cal, and Stanford, even better.
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lol
Not sure there is much the PAC can do to keep USC from leaving.
Somehow being able to offer them more than the B1G might get a conversation started, but it would take a lot more than that to get them to stay.
Oh man I know, that's why I tried to write that so that it was clearly a joke, and ha hopeful wish at best.
I don't know the future of the PAC, but if you and UCLA do end up leaving, then I'm not sure how we survive and still be considered a P5. Hell, we barely are considered one now.
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Curious ... would being the B12 be all that bad? I think your games would be closer. I think the Texas school rivalries would be good. Still have ASU each year. Which would you prefer?
Let's see.. the B12 would include:
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
TTU
West Virginia
and then us and ASU?
Yeah, I'd be down for that. I think a Kansas and Arizona bball rivalry would be great for college basketball. The travel (outside of WV) wouldn't be bad at all, and we'd have a conference.
My worry is only that the PAC will go away and no P5 will pick up the scraps.
EDIT: Oh yeah, BYU, UCF, Cincy, and Houston also.
So UCF would be a tough travel partner.
But yeah, Let's go!
So UCF would be a tough travel partner.
But yeah, Let's go!
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If Oregon and Washington were to take the lead and work with the PAC offices on trying to keep the conference together and convince the Arizona schools, Utah and Colorado to tell the Big 12, thanks but no thanks, that would help.
Also, if I understood what I read correctly, part of ESPN's issue with the money the PAC wants was that the PAC didn't want to include shrink protection.
The PAC should ask for a lower amount that is still a good bit more than the current deal, include shrink protection, but then also add growth inducements. That way, if anyone else leaves, ESPN pays less...but if they can convince someone else to join (I'd try to flip BYU and talk to SDSU or a couple of Big 12 schools), then ESPN pays more.
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B12 Divisions
East
Cincy
UCF
Houston
WVU
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
West
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Im spitballing here Im sure Junior would want a say in this and have a few more Texas teams in their division but this is the first draft.
East
Cincy
UCF
Houston
WVU
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
West
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Im spitballing here Im sure Junior would want a say in this and have a few more Texas teams in their division but this is the first draft.
I've always wanted BYU in the PAC. I think have the Holy War in conference would have been good, and BYU has a very good athletic department.
And for some unknown reason, I have wanted New Mexico in the PAC, just because they seem like a big enough school to be able to become decent, and the geography worked.
I like that actually.
And from a basketball perspective, that is super fucking tasty.
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The shrink provision is that ESPN can cancel the contract. That’s a no go in the current environment. Anyone leaves and ESPN can call it off.
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I don’t think you’d need divisions as much in basketball. but for football it’d probably be wise given the distance Of some. And I do agree that’s a helluva good bball league.
Yeah, I'm just saying basketball in general, that would have some killer matchups.
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Ohh heck yeah, almost Reminds me of the BE when they had 18 teams in the early 2000’s. Always a good matchup or two guaranteed. This league looks to be better though.
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New Mexico would be fine if they provided assurances that they will dump money into their facilities.
I suggested SDSU because PAC teams already play them, they have a new stadium that just opened this year and it would give the PAC schools a presence in the SoCal recruiting grounds again.
Yeah, I know SDSU has been the talk of the town lately in terms of joining the PAC. Makes sense.