Volbound1700 Playoff Watch - Week 8

1. Undefeated P5 teams
2. 1-loss P5 conference champs
3. 1-loss non-conference champs
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Everyone else
 
Collegefbfan said:
At the moment or looking into the future, what do the Hooplanation folks say? What does the media say? Is TCU or Clemson surely in over those 1 loss teams? Will Alabama be chosen over Tennessee because the Vols lost later (yes I know Georgia did the same last season). Gonna be a lot of back and forth with this shit.
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In something as you describe, I think the teams are at the mercy of how well their opponents really did during the seasons. IDEALLY, and that's a stretch IMO, the committee should look at how many "good" teams they beat (in the final analysis, not necessarily at just the time at which they beat them) and same for the losses (without punishing them more for a late loss.) I know those don't say fair, but you asked for opinions.

Let's use Texas as an example. If they continue to slide, that shouldn't help Bama's or TCU's case if those two are in contention. Taking those two further, say Okie Lite and K-State stumble somewhere, that doesn't help TCU at all. And say A&M, Arkie and Miss State fart, fumble and fall, then that doesn't help Bama's cause. Similar results could be applied to the rest.

Again, that's "ideal" but the committee members are all human and influenced by other things as much as they say they leave them at the door. They can't totally. It is IN them. We all have those "things" in us.

12 team solves some of these.
 
OlyDuck said:
Undefeated clemson and tcu with 13-0 and conference titles both in over any 1 loss non champs. Not sure how thats controversy
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Shouldn't be and wouldn't be in the 12 team playoff. If that happens then wouldn't the committee be saying a couple of things? 1.) Your conference opponents were good. 2) your OOC opponents were good.

So, you could have scheduled OOC via the Art Briles method and your conference overall could resemble the B1G West or the ACC Coastal this year and all is well?
 
This isn’t hard:

Clemson - Don’t see them losing
Ohio State - I don’t see them losing
TCU if they can run the table and if not Oregon slips in.
SEC champ probably UGA.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Clemson yes. TCU maybe.
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I think that an undefeated team would get in. If you had Clemson and TCU both undefeated, than the SEC Champ and B1G Champ would make it but nobody else. Pac12 (even if Oregon wins out) is probably out of the mix and the B1G/SEC are likely to not get an at-large (there won't be an undefeated at large option).

I don't see TCU going undefeated but we will see.

I am expecting some controversy at the end of the season.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
No LSU? According to the CBS buffoons they are RIGHT IN THE HUNT! Because they beat Ole Miss
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They still control their own destiny to win the West. If they win out, that would mean they win the SECCG and they’re not gonna leave the SEC champ out.

While there’s no realistic shot of that happening, they are technically still alive until Bama blows em out of the water
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
They still control their own destiny to win the West. If they win out, that would mean they win the SECCG and they’re not gonna leave the SEC champ out.

While there’s no realistic shot of that happening, they are technically still alive until Bama blows em out of the water
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Agree, LSU is not worth listing on the list with 2 losses right now. However, if a 2007 kind of situation happens, then they could have a shot.

I don't think they are good enough to win out.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I think that an undefeated team would get in. If you had Clemson and TCU both undefeated, than the SEC Champ and B1G Champ would make it but nobody else. Pac12 (even if Oregon wins out) is probably out of the mix and the B1G/SEC are likely to not get an at-large (there won't be an undefeated at large option).

I don't see TCU going undefeated but we will see.

I am expecting some controversy at the end of the season.
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I don't either. They haven't had their "clunker" game yet...and they aren't so good they can have one and get by their last five opponents. They just aren't THAT much better than them. @WV, Texas Tech, @Texas, @Baylor, Iowa State. WV and Tech have nothing to lose and can throw caution to the wind. Texas...who knows. Now that they have three losses, it depends on whether they've checked it in or not. Baylor will be up for them and ISU's defense is good enough to give them fits.

That said, I thought the horny toads would do good to make it to 6-6 this year...so what do I know.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Agree, LSU is not worth listing on the list with 2 losses right now. However, if a 2007 kind of situation happens, then they could have a shot.

I don't think they are good enough to win out.
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They would need a lot to go in their favor,

like the ACC Pac 12 and Big 12 champs ending up with 2 losses.

They cant possibly ignore the loss to a mediocre FSU team and yes Tennessee is good but they did not even remotely play them competitively.

Both of those 2007 losses for them were in multiple OTs. They also had a lot of help from literally everyone in front of them losing
 
Collegefbfan said:
I just wonder how much controversy this stirs up here and the media. Just say:
Ohio State beats Michigan and Buckeyes win the B1G champs game. Ohio State is in.
Michigan has 1 loss.
Georgia beats Tennessee and wins SEC champs game.
Georgia is in.
Alabama and Tennessee each have 1 loss.
Clemson wins out and wins ACC champs game.
Clemson is in.
Oregon wins out and wins PAC 12 champs game.
But the Ducks have 1 loss.
TCU wins out and wins BIG XII champs game.

At the moment or looking into the future, what do the Hooplanation folks say? What does the media say? Is TCU or Clemson surely in over those 1 loss teams? Will Alabama be chosen over Tennessee because the Vols lost later (yes I know Georgia did the same last season). Gonna be a lot of back and forth with this shit.
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If Bama doesn’t go to the SECCG or loses in the SECCG then who does? That would mean Bama has 2 losses either way unless UGA beats TEN then loses to Bama in the SECCG then we are talking.

UGA - 1 loss no SEC title but they beat Oregon
TEN - 1 loss- lost to UGA, no SEC title
Oregon - 1 loss to UGA. PAC title

In this scenario UGA still gets in bc Oregon didn’t barely lose, they lost bad.
 
Shanemansj13 said:
Worst case for Oregon is if UGA loses in the SECCG again and they have 1 loss. Oregon is out.
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Would be interesting to see what they do but I believe you're right.

People will point to Ohio State getting in over Penn State in 2016, but people forget, even though Penn State beat us and won the B1G. They did have 2 losses. (and one was to a 5 loss Pitt team)

Georgia beat Oregon bad enough for that game to really matter in a case like this. Not like it was even close so you can't just use the "oh it was week 1" excuse.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
They would need a lot to go in their favor,

like the ACC Pac 12 and Big 12 champs ending up with 2 losses.

They cant possibly ignore the loss to a mediocre FSU team and yes Tennessee is good but they did not even remotely play them competitively.

Both of those 2007 losses for them were in multiple OTs. They also had a lot of help from literally everyone in front of them losing
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Keep in mind in 2007 that there was only 1-2 teams with less than 2 losses as well. USC had 2 losses, West Virginia fell off and lost last week, etc.

That would need to happen this year for LSU to get in the picture.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Would be interesting to see what they do but I believe you're right.

People will point to Ohio State getting in over Penn State in 2016, but people forget, even though Penn State beat us and won the B1G. They did have 2 losses. (and one was to a 5 loss Pitt team)

Georgia beat Oregon bad enough for that game to really matter in a case like this. Not like it was even close so you can't just use the "oh it was week 1" excuse.
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I agree but man does this sent a bad statement for CFB. Oregon is getting punished for actually scheduling a tough OOC game. If Oregon had scheduled San Jose State in week 1 and won big, we wouldn't have this conversation.

That being said, I think Oregon drops a Pac12 game somewhere. The league is too deep for Oregon to go 9-0 in Pac12 play. (10-0 if you count Championship game which might be the game they lose).
 
Volbound1700 said:
Keep in mind in 2007 that there was only 1-2 teams with less than 2 losses as well. USC had 2 losses, West Virginia fell off and lost last week, etc.

That would need to happen this year for LSU to get in the picture.
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Exactly.

Though I could possibly see them putting a 2 loss LSU in over a 1 loss Big 12 champ (Texas is out at this point) or a 1 loss Pac 12 champ not named Oregon or USC.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Exactly.

Though I could possibly see them putting a 2 loss LSU in over a 1 loss Big 12 champ (Texas is out at this point) or a 1 loss Pac 12 champ not named Oregon or USC.
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The Big12 is going to be interesting... it is a very deep league but one dirty secret about Big12 is that they do not have a major OOC win as a conference that you can point to like Georgia over Oregon with the SEC.

TCU is the Big12's best hopes. I think they have to go unbeaten to make it. Their remaining schedule seems favorable but keep in mind they also got Big12 title game which could be rematch with Oklahoma State:

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Looking at their remaining schedule, the games @ West Virginia, @ Texas, @ Baylor, and Texas Tech at home loom large.

Baylor and West Virginia are not that good. I think they beat Baylor. West Virginia maybe tough just due to the distance they have to travel. That is the only reason I bring them up.

Texas Tech seems to be very inconsistent but they always tend to give the good teams trouble (Oklahoma State and Texas games for example).

Texas is another one in that they play tough teams well and they lose to bad teams. TCU seems to own Texas.

Iowa State is sneaky as well but I think TCU will win that one.

The irony is that West Virginia might be the worse team on TCU's remaining schedule but I think it might be the best option to upset TCU due to length of the travel, WVU having a great offense to match TCU in a shootout, and the fact that it could be a let down game after Kansas State matchup.
 
Volbound1700 said:
The Big12 is going to be interesting... it is a very deep league but one dirty secret about Big12 is that they do not have a major OOC win as a conference that you can point to like Georgia over Oregon with the SEC.

TCU is the Big12's best hopes. I think they have to go unbeaten to make it. Their remaining schedule seems favorable but keep in mind they also got Big12 title game which could be rematch with Oklahoma State:

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Looking at their remaining schedule, the games @ West Virginia, @ Texas, @ Baylor, and Texas Tech at home loom large.

Baylor and West Virginia are not that good. I think they beat Baylor. West Virginia maybe tough just due to the distance they have to travel. That is the only reason I bring them up.

Texas Tech seems to be very inconsistent but they always tend to give the good teams trouble (Oklahoma State and Texas games for example).

Texas is another one in that they play tough teams well and they lose to bad teams. TCU seems to own Texas.

Iowa State is sneaky as well but I think TCU will win that one.

The irony is that West Virginia might be the worse team on TCU's remaining schedule but I think it might be the best option to upset TCU due to length of the travel, WVU having a great offense to match TCU in a shootout, and the fact that it could be a let down game after Kansas State matchup.
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Not sure how great WVUs offense really is. They've hung big points in some games, but Texas Tech held them to 10, it was Texas Tech's best defensive performance since week 1 against FCS Murray State and they only scored 20 on Texas, 13 of those were late in the 4th after the game was already over.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Not sure how great WVUs offense really is. They've hung big points in some games, but Texas Tech held them to 10 and they only scored 20 on Texas, and 13 of those were late in the 4th after the game was already over.
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Where those games @ West Virginia or away? West Virginia seems to struggle on the road (granted, they have to travel long distance for every conference game).

I do agree they are the worse opponent remaining on TCU's schedule but that is a tough matchup for them.
 
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