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I was hyped............to watch Bama roll OSU. I was thoroughly disappointed.
Need to go to the SEC or B1G
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Mixture of both....that ain't what you started this bullshit with and you know it. You started it with CFP championships.
But, we'll play your fickle female game.
2016 Bama 38 Michigan State....that B1G qualifier you referenced....0, zip, nil, nada
2017 Clemson 31 Ohio State....that B1G qualifer you referenced.......0, zip, nil, nada
2022 Georgia 34 Michigan.....that B1G qualifier you referenced.... one, one, eleven,
Cold hard reality. There isn't significant difference in the B1G's CFP performance and that of conferences that haven't sent a rep or only sent a few. In fact, ACC has more representation and championships in the CFP era than the B1G.
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I'm so lost on what point you are making? Are you saying it is better to be in the PAC and Big 12 be left out completely multiple years? The PAC hasn't had a representative in the CFP in the last 5 years. The Big 12 has had a representative in the last 2 years and it has only been Oklahoma who has went for them.
What is the Cold Hard Reality you keep speaking of? NEVER would I say the B1G is on par with the SEC. The SEC could literally put 2 teams in the CFP every year and you wouldn't hear an argument from me.
And the ACC is Clemson -- the rest of the conference is a train wreck and has been for a while now. Hell -- the Big 12 is Oklahoma -- no other team has went from the Big 12.
I feel you are making this out to be a lot bigger than it needs to be. It isn't like it is a big secret who the top two conferences are on a yearly basis.
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Johnny Football won the Heisman the day they beat Alabama. Had Bo Nix beat Georgia he would be the front runner...he did the opposite...
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It was about as close as the Michigan-Georgia game, but better than the MSU-Alabama game...
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Winston took the whole team out for crab legs before the game so they all had butter fingers and couldn't hold on to the ball
Yeah, you've totally missed the point. The point is you change narratives when you are showed you're wrong.
But here's another point. The cold hard reality is there isn't really any difference in the performances in the CFP era between teams from the B1G, PAC 12, ACC and Big 12. They're all waaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind the performance of teams from the SEC.
And the final point and I'll whisper it, if the B1G is one of the top two conferences it isn't far enough ahead of the other three to make any difference.
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I still stand by my statement that the B1G should have probably went ahead and ate some of the remaining Pac12 teams.
Stanford makes most sense to get Northern California market. They are just a more prestigious school than Cal in College Athletics. Both are Academic first institute but Stanford has had a lot of success in all sports. I don't think there will be enough room or value in getting both but Cal should be on the radar as well.
Oregon and Washington both make sense as historical football powers on West Coast. The Pacific Northwest is a growing market. Both schools would add value (far better grabs than Maryland and Rutgers for example).
The 6th program is up for grabs. They could get Cal as mentioned, one of the Arizona schools, Utah, or Colorado. I am going with Colorado only because it could grab the Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs market. Colorado, however, has been total garbage this millennia. However, I think it brings slightly more value than Cal, Arizona, and Utah. Arizona would be a good #2 to get Phoenix and Tuscon market. Any of the Arizonas, Cal, Colorado, and Utah all have solid arguments as well as solid distraction for getting that #6 spot. Of course the dream would be Notre Dame but I don't see that happening right now.
Stanford makes most sense to get Northern California market. They are just a more prestigious school than Cal in College Athletics. Both are Academic first institute but Stanford has had a lot of success in all sports. I don't think there will be enough room or value in getting both but Cal should be on the radar as well.
Oregon and Washington both make sense as historical football powers on West Coast. The Pacific Northwest is a growing market. Both schools would add value (far better grabs than Maryland and Rutgers for example).
The 6th program is up for grabs. They could get Cal as mentioned, one of the Arizona schools, Utah, or Colorado. I am going with Colorado only because it could grab the Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs market. Colorado, however, has been total garbage this millennia. However, I think it brings slightly more value than Cal, Arizona, and Utah. Arizona would be a good #2 to get Phoenix and Tuscon market. Any of the Arizonas, Cal, Colorado, and Utah all have solid arguments as well as solid distraction for getting that #6 spot. Of course the dream would be Notre Dame but I don't see that happening right now.
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I remember it now -- it was the year Ohio State beat Alabama with a 3rd string QB.
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I haven't changed anything. Has Clemson been a better program than any team in the B1G? ABSOLUTELY. Only team close is Ohio State. Is the ACC, as a whole, as good as the B1G? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
You continue to confuse ONE TEAM with an entire conference. Clemson is all the ACC has right now. The Big 12 has been Oklahoma and that's it -- the last two years they didn't even make the CFP. The Pac hasn't even had a team in the CFP in 5 years.
I'm done arguing about something I thought was common knowledge. I guess not though. Maybe after the Pac and Big 12 get left out of the CFP again this year -- it will make some sense.
It was competitive until it was 25-20 and then FSU had four consecutive drives end on turnovers, all of which set up Oregon TDs. Oregon scored 5 TDs in a span of under 12 minutes.
You haven't changed anything! LOL
The first post was yours. Reasons why they (those conferences) haven't won a title in the CFP era.
The second post was yours. Look how many times each conference has been left out of the CFP.
That is a CHANGE from winning titles to being left.
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The first thing I said was 'reasons why they were left out of the CFP', which the Big 12 and PAC 12 have been left out many times. I then said, 'reasons why they haven't won a CFP title', which the Big 12 and PAC 12 haven't won one.
And if I need to explain why the ACC isn't the 2nd best conference -- I can't help you. The ACC is Clemson and that's it.
and the B1G is Ohio State and that's it.
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Yet the B1G has had Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State make it to the CFP.
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And I agree Ohio State is the premier team in the B1G. It is why, as a Michigan fan, you didn't hear me talk any trash to Ohio State fans after beating them last year. They have owned us for like 15 years.
So what. Big whoopty tah...the B1G's had three teams and only one has done a damn thing.
That ACC had FSU too. The PAC 12 has had Washington. And it wouldn't be a stretch to say Washington's CFP performance was a hell of a lot better than Sparty's, Michigan's and a couple of Ohio State's. (Them and Oklahoma have had some real clunkers in the CFP. Even bucknut and land thieves fans admit that.)
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If it is a big whoop to have three teams make the CFP. Who are the other conferences to have three teams make the CFP? The Pac 12, as a whole, hasn't even played in 3 CFP's. The Big 12 is a TCU loss away from a third straight year with no team in the CFP and with Oklahoma and Texas leaving -- the only reason they'd ever get a bid to the CFP in the future is if they go to the auto bid with 12 teams.
I agree -- the ACC HAD FSU and if it we were having this conversation in 2016 -- you'd have a valid point. Florida State is an absolute train wreck though. No one is going to use Florida State as a selling point for a conference's strength right now. The last 5 years, they have lost 6, 7, 7, 6 and 7 games. They are meaningless Sun Bowl berth, when they were a .500 team from joining Kansas and Nebraska as the only teams to not play in a bowl game in the last 5 years.
It isn't a huge secret the elite programs are LIGHT YEARS better than the 2nd tier programs. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia more recently, are on a level of their own.
The SEC with Bama and Georgia to go along with all the other programs who have the potential to get to the CFP, like LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, etc. all who can recruit the talent needed to get to the CFP.
The only conference even remotely close to the SEC is the B1G with Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State, with some others who show flashes, like Michigan State, Wisconsin.
The Big 12 has a shot if Texas ever figures it out, which I still have no idea how they could have so much talent in state and on their roster, yet continue to flop. But with Oklahoma and Texas leaving -- it only makes the gap between the SEC and everyone else bigger, just like it makes the gap for the 2nd best conference bigger once USC and UCLA joins the B1G.