PAC Is Done Stick A Fork In It

duckboy33 said:
Maybe not a ton of money but they will have to pay above market value because nobody really wants to go to streaming.

The real question is 25M with FOX/ESPN or 35M with ESPN/Amazon

I'd take the money and move over to Amazon. Streaming is the future. There's some risk there but the PAC needs to take risks at this point.
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Nobody is going to offer the PAC anything with GORs and few are going to be comfortable with that.

The PAC is a deadman walking.
 
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PAC-12 Commissioner Promises Huge Payday, But People Aren't Buying It

PAC-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff believes the baseline for revenue is at least $35 million per school annually.
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Baghdad George is at it again:

PAC-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff continues to do his best to convince people everything is fine.

The PAC-12 is now in major trouble after the Big 12 reached a new media deal extension with Fox and ESPN. The extension will pay just under $2.3 billion over six years once the current deal expires in 2024-25.

With the Big 12 having guaranteed cash and total school payments expected to exceed $50 million, Kliavkoff now has to scramble to create a landscape that is equally as attractive to PAC-12 members.

Jason Scheer reported Kliavkoff is trying to convince schools the baseline is $35-$40 million in payouts. However, Scheer added “sources within the conference are skeptical to say the least” at what Kliavkoff is trying to sell.
 
I don't understand the sense of panic about one conference getting $10 Million more/team and that suddenly being the reason for people to abandon ship. I do understand how the Big 12 is going to have a helluva time competing against SEC schools who are making $50 Million to $60 Million more than them. Same thing with the Big 12 vs. Big 10. But $10 Million? Given the size of these athletic department budgets it would take a pretty piss poor AD to not be able to make some adjustments to overcome a difference like that.
 
Not the Conference of Champions!
 
Pac was done as soon as USC and UCLA left, with Oregon and Washington begging conferences to take them next.
 
Goldbug said:
I don't understand the sense of panic about one conference getting $10 Million more/team and that suddenly being the reason for people to abandon ship. I do understand how the Big 12 is going to have a helluva time competing against SEC schools who are making $50 Million to $60 Million more than them. Same thing with the Big 12 vs. Big 10. But $10 Million? Given the size of these athletic department budgets it would take a pretty piss poor AD to not be able to make some adjustments to overcome a difference like that.
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Coaching salaries (probably in the lesser sports) is where the other three get left in the dust. Unless BMDs are willing to make up the difference. jmo
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Pac was done as soon as USC and UCLA left, with Oregon and Washington begging conferences to take them next.
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Just like when UT and OU left for the SEC. Same would happen to the B1G is Ohio State and Michigan decided to move on.
 
Goldbug said:
I don't understand the sense of panic about one conference getting $10 Million more/team and that suddenly being the reason for people to abandon ship. I do understand how the Big 12 is going to have a helluva time competing against SEC schools who are making $50 Million to $60 Million more than them. Same thing with the Big 12 vs. Big 10. But $10 Million? Given the size of these athletic department budgets it would take a pretty piss poor AD to not be able to make some adjustments to overcome a difference like that.
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If you are AZ, ASU or Utah and you have the choice of taking a 20% cut or joining the Big 12 that isn't a hard decision. Factor in that Oregon is begging the B1G to invite them plus all the other rumors like unequal revenue sharing and it becomes a no-brainer.

This gives those schools more access to the Texas recruiting market as well.

It just makes too much sense on paper at least.
 
Deep Creek said:
Just like when UT and OU left for the SEC. Same would happen to the B1G is Ohio State and Michigan decided to move on.
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Yup. The B12 or the Pac might survive if one tries to poach some of the remaining schools from the other, or lands some bigger names from the ACC but it isn't looking good. Even with the new deal, they're functionally getting HALF the money B10 or SEC schools will be getting in theirs.
 
Deep Creek said:
Just like when UT and OU left for the SEC. Same would happen to the B1G is Ohio State and Michigan decided to move on.
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I can tell you that you could pull Alabama and Georgia out of the SEC and we would be fine. The revenue wouldn't drop a dime and if the SEC shunned them by not playing them their rating would tank as well (yeah we would drop Bama like a hot potato and not look back).

I don't care what people assume but the big dogs in the SEC typically rotate (note Bama has had a historical run so kudos to them) and they need the Auburn, LSU, Florida, Tennessee and whoever is hot that particular year. Now you add in OU and TX and the league survives easily and whoever left would regret it in short order.
 
Appears that when kliovkoff said people werent happy with the LA move it was Bill Walton
 
 
Wild Turkey said:
If you are AZ, ASU or Utah and you have the choice of taking a 20% cut or joining the Big 12 that isn't a hard decision. Factor in that Oregon is begging the B1G to invite them plus all the other rumors like unequal revenue sharing and it becomes a no-brainer.

This gives those schools more access to the Texas recruiting market as well.

It just makes too much sense on paper at least.
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If Oregon and Washington didn't have rabbit in their blood it would be a bad move to leave the Pac 10. Traveling to West Virginia, and Florida? Yeah, that sounds like fun. Just like Ames and Manhattan and Lawrence and Cincinnati. I don't care what they do. I'm just waiting to see how the Big XII fares over the next 10 years making so much less money than the SEC and B1G. It's probably going to lead to the @#$% politicians getting involved somehow. They always like to fix disparities but always ends up fucking stuff up even more that it already was.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I can tell you that you could pull Alabama and Georgia out of the SEC and we would be fine. The revenue wouldn't drop a dime and if the SEC shunned them by not playing them their rating would tank as well (yeah we would drop Bama like a hot potato and not look back).

I don't care what people assume but the big dogs in the SEC typically rotate (note Bama has had a historical run so kudos to them) and they need the Auburn, LSU, Florida, Tennessee and whoever is hot that particular year. Now you add in OU and TX and the league survives easily and whoever left would regret it in short order.
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If you took Bama and Georgia out of the SEC -- Texas and Oklahoma wouldn't make the switch. Bama and Georgia if they left would be going to either the Big 12 or B1G. If they go to the Big 12 -- the Big 12 would now be the dominate conference in football with Bama, Georgia, Texas and Oklahoma. If they went to B1G (which I don't see that happening, as Southern teams hate travelling north for games) -- The B1G would be the dominate conference with Bama, Georgia, Ohio State and Michigan.

As much as the rest of the SEC likes to think they could remove those teams and the conference wouldn't skip a beat -- they'd be sorely mistaken. The SEC would still be a solid conference, but they'd be light years behind whatever conference Georgia and Bama decided to go to. What separates the SEC from the other conferences today are those two teams.
 
Goldbug said:
If Oregon and Washington didn't have rabbit in their blood it would be a bad move to leave the Pac 10. Traveling to West Virginia, and Florida? Yeah, that sounds like fun. Just like Ames and Manhattan and Lawrence and Cincinnati. I don't care what they do. I'm just waiting to see how the Big XII fares over the next 10 years making so much less money than the SEC and B1G. It's probably going to lead to the @#$% politicians getting involved somehow. They always like to fix disparities but always ends up fucking stuff up even more that it already was.
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They'll be sucking muddy canal water along with the ACC and PAC 12. All three are going to get so far behind the other two it won't be close. Yeah, all three may get a team on magical runs like Cincy did last year, but the revenue will slowly relegate them to a contest of who is the tallest of three midgets.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If you took Bama and Georgia out of the SEC -- Texas and Oklahoma wouldn't make the switch. Bama and Georgia if they left would be going to either the Big 12 or B1G. If they go to the Big 12 -- the Big 12 would now be the dominate conference in football with Bama, Georgia, Texas and Oklahoma. If they went to B1G (which I don't see that happening, as Southern teams hate travelling north for games) -- The B1G would be the dominate conference with Bama, Georgia, Ohio State and Michigan.

As much as the rest of the SEC likes to think they could remove those teams and the conference wouldn't skip a beat -- they'd be sorely mistaken. The SEC would still be a solid conference, but they'd be light years behind whatever conference Georgia and Bama decided to go to. What separates the SEC from the other conferences today are those two teams.
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No way Bama and Georgia go to the Big 12. Hell I don’t see them going to the Big 10 as it’s just a what if scenario.

The SEC survives. Georgia and Bama have been down plenty of times and the conference didn’t skip a beat.
 
Wild Turkey said:
The revenue wouldn't drop a dime and if the SEC shunned them by not playing them their rating would tank as well
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If you took out Georgia and Alabama, the two most watched teams in the SEC by ALOT -- it would without a doubt hurt the bottom line for the conference. Bama averaged the 3rd most viewers, Georgia averaged the 5th most viewers.

If you put them in whatever conference they chose to go to -- that conference would not only pick up two of the best teams in all of CFB, but two of the most watched teams in all of CFB. If you put Bama and Georgia into the B1G -- It would absolutely dwarf whatever deal the SEC could put together, as Ohio State is the most watched team, Michigan is 2nd, Penn State is 4th. It'd give the B1G the top 5 most watched teams and 7 of the top 11 most watched teams in CFB.
 
Wild Turkey said:
No way Bama and Georgia go to the Big 12. Hell I don’t see them going to the Big 10 as it’s just a what if scenario.

The SEC survives. Georgia and Bama have been down plenty of times and the conference didn’t skip a beat.
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Obviously, they aren't going anywhere, but in a what if scenario -- Bama and Georgia going to the B1G would give the B1G a bigger TV than anyone has ever seen and the SEC wouldn't be able to even come close to the $$ figures. Here are the 5 most watched teams last year:
Ohio State — 5.22M
Michigan — 4.74M
Alabama — 4.64M
Penn State — 3.87M
Georgia — 3.61M
Put all 5 of them in one conference and the Networks would be fighting each other to get that TV deal. Would the SEC fold? Absolutely not. But they'd no longer be the top conference in CFB, they'd no longer make anywhere close to what the B1G makes.

So while it is easy to say -- you can remove them and the SEC wouldn't skip a beat -- you are kidding yourself. Those two programs are the main reason you are getting the deal that you are.
 
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