CFP Rankings Nov. 15

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Ahhh -- cue the GIF's when he doesn't have a response. Why doesn't he have a response? BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SAID IS TRUE.
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I've given you clear response numerous times. Numbers that make you look like a narrow minded moron.

It doesn't sink in though because you spend all your time gargling QB cocks.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I think people on here often underrate or don't discuss the mental aspect of the game.

Part of the reason Tennessee is turning the corner is confidence.

A lot of games and teams come down to plays here and there, how a punt bounces, whether a pass connects or not, whether a fumble goes in your favor or not, etc. It takes luck sometimes to win it all. Tennessee in 1998 for all purposes should have lost to Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas but survived all three games with lucky plays.

I think confidence impacts that luck as some teams find ways to win (the term is clutch) while others find ways to lose. Tennessee has been a program that has found ways to lose in the past, notably with Butch Jones and all the chokes against teams (look at the chokes in 2015 against Oklahoma, Florida, Arkansas, and Alabama. A play goes difference in each game and that Tennessee team is unbeaten).

This is something I am not sure about with Tennessee and may have reared its head against Georgia. That confidence. This is why experts love teams like Alabama, because they have been clutch in the past.

@NewPhoneWhoDis talks about recruiting talent but I think the confidence plays a bigger part. For many years, teams have doubted whether they can even beat Alabama or not. Alabama is starting to show cracks and you can see the result each year, every game is a war for them. Georgia built up that confidence and heir of being a "power" and turned the corner. In 2016-2019, it seemed like Georgia found ways to lose big games. In many ways, Georgia was probably the best team in 2017 and should have won that title.
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Sometimes teams luck into being in position to win the title too.

Alabama doesn't even play for the title in 2012 if Ohio State isn't stupid and on probation

Same with 2011 Bama doesn't get another game with LSU if Oklahoma State doesn't choke to fucking Iowa State in late November.

You could attribute those titles to very fortunate circumstances leading to being in the title game.
 
Tressel probably wins another national title if West Virginia doesn't lose to 5 win Pitt the last game of the season in the year LSU beat us in the BCS title game. We woulda played WVU instead.
 
Red_Alert said:
Yeah, Heupel's done a good job turning Tennessee around.

Tennessee Recruiting Rankings

2018: 21st
2019: 13th
2020: 11th
2021: 22nd
2022: 17th
Average: 17th

Say they and Georgia win out and meet in the CFP on a neutral field? A rematch favors the team that lost the first time over 50% of the time.
See Georgia/Bama 2022, etc.

Going forward who knows if this Tennessee season isn't just a flash in the pan, but Huepel's put the pieces together and gotten guys lined up right.

That leads to a lot of player confidence every time they take the field.
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Thanks, yeah I just want Tennessee to be respectable. I still watch CFB even in the years we sucked just because I like the game.

I think we will be down next year but probably still have great chance to go 9-3 or 10-2. Most of the SEC will lose players. Interesting to see what Alabama is like without Bryce Young. The Florida game, once again, looms large for Tennessee. I always feel like losing to Florida really dampers Tennessee's season and the inability to win that game 95% of the time is a big part of why Tennessee has struggled.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Sometimes teams luck into being in position to win the title too.

Alabama doesn't even play for the title in 2012 if Ohio State isn't stupid and on probation

Same with 2011 Bama doesn't get another game with LSU if Oklahoma State doesn't choke to fucking Iowa State in late November.

You could attribute those titles to very fortunate circumstances leading to being in the title game.
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^^ THIS ^^
 
Red_Alert said:
I've given you clear response numerous times. Numbers that make you look like a narrow minded moron.

It doesn't sink in though because you spend all your time gargling QB cocks.
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Then show me the team in the last 5 years? The last 10 years? The last 15? Which team is it? Or was 1998 your example?:facepalm:
 
Across The Field said:
I'd definitely say we're most equipped to take down UGA this year. We're the most complete team outside of UGA from an offense/defense/ST standpoint. Unlike UT, we have a defense that could actually slow down UGA, and when they're healthy a group of RBs that can cause damage if UGA tighten up on the passing game. I like UGA a lot but I don't see them as this unbeatable machine.
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I agree, they can be beat. I don't think a team is going to beat them playing right into their wheelhouse though.

Problem I haven't seen a team that looks complete enough to possibly do that. Pretty sure it is going to take a team that is completely healthy because Georgia can "out depth" everyone.
 
Volbound1700 said:
A lot of games and teams come down to plays here and there, how a punt bounces, whether a pass connects or not, whether a fumble goes in your favor or not, etc. It takes luck sometimes to win it all. Tennessee in 1998 for all purposes should have lost to Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas but survived all three games with lucky plays.
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You just described TCU's season IMO. I've been predicting they'd lose all along but they just seem to be making plays at the right times. I keep thinking those bounces will even out and go the other way but they haven't so far.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Plenty of them have, but majority of them were on Alabama, when they were all 5 star OL and 5 star RB's with a defense filled with 5 star recruits.

Before going to the spread -- Bama could plug @Red_Alert in at QB and compete for a title, because they were simply game managers and Bama was just going to bully whoever they played.
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The first 5 BCS champion QBs could all be considered "meh"

Tee Martin
Chris Weinke
Josh Heuple
Ken Dorsey
Craig Krenzel

Martin was "ok" for the time but his stats now would be considered pretty lackluster for a major P5 QB

Weinke had pretty good stats but FSU was loaded, he was nothing more than a average QB on talent level

Josh Hueple threw 20 TD and 15 INT that year, thats not great, same as Weinke on talent level

Dorsey was as average as a talent as it gets but Miami was absolutely loaded even more than FSU with Weinke.

Krenzel was the worst QB of the bunch. He made a few plays that helped us win the national title though. He will always be remembered fondly for that 2002 season for that.

You can win with just ok QB play as long as you are loaded in the other spots.
 
The talent pool overall is more broad than it was in like 1990/2000 I think but the problem is the elite players seem to flock to just the same 4-5 schools. This is why you constantly just see the same teams dominating at the top.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
The first 5 BCS champion QBs could all be considered "meh"

Tee Martin
Chris Weinke
Josh Heuple
Ken Dorsey
Craig Krenzel

Martin was "ok" for the time but his stats now would be considered pretty lackluster for a major P5 QB

Weinke had pretty good stats but FSU was loaded, he was nothing more than a average QB on talent level

Josh Hueple threw 20 TD and 15 INT that year, thats not great, same as Weinke on talent level

Dorsey was as average as a talent as it gets but Miami was absolutely loaded even more than FSU with Weinke.

Krenzel was the worst QB of the bunch. He made a few plays that helped us win the national title though. He will always be remembered fondly for that 2002 season for that.

You can win with just ok QB play as long as you are loaded in the other spots.
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Yes -- but did they have top 5 recruiting? I didn't say you had to have an all-american QB -- Stetson Bennett isn't going to be playing on Sunday's, but they had high level NFL talent all over the field elsewhere.

What I said was -- you can win a championship without top 5 recruiting if you have an all-american QB. If you have a 'meh' QB and only top 15-20 recruiting -- winning a title in today's CFB isn't happening.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yes -- but did they have top 5 recruiting? I didn't say you had to have an all-american QB -- Stetson Bennett isn't going to be playing on Sunday's, but they had high level NFL talent all over the field elsewhere.

What I said was -- you can win a championship without top 5 recruiting if you have an all-american QB. If you have a 'meh' QB and only top 15-20 recruiting -- winning a title in today's CFB isn't happening.
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It is a completely different time now, I agree with that. Things were so much different even just prior to like 2010 and especially the further back you get from that.

Clemson seemed destined to eventually fall off. I mean they are still a good program but nobody at the top is really scared of them anymore.

I'm just saying you can't just blame the QB in Clemson's case. The whole team has taken a step back.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
The talent pool overall is more broad than it was in like 1990/2000 I think but the problem is the elite players seem to flock to just the same 4-5 schools. This is why you constantly just see the same teams dominating at the top.
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Here is what happened, IMO. In the late 90's, early 2000's -- the rise of national football camps happened. I believe the Elite 11 started in 2000 and those type of camps became big business. Now these showcase camps are everywhere. Now with social media and the internet -- these recruits are friends and stay in contact more than ever. Those camps give kids a chance to recruit other kids and they want to play together. It is why, and this shouldn't be a big secret, in state talent is so huge now. Also with social media and the internet -- no kid falls thru the cracks -- coaches don't even have to travel across the country to see a recruit play -- they can simply stream their games or watch their highlights on hudl.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Here is what happened, IMO. In the late 90's, early 2000's -- the rise of national football camps happened. I believe the Elite 11 started in 2000 and those type of camps became big business. Now these showcase camps are everywhere. Now with social media and the internet -- these recruits are friends and stay in contact more than ever. Those camps give kids a chance to recruit other kids and they want to play together. It is why, and this shouldn't be a big secret, in state talent is so huge now. Also with social media and the internet -- no kid falls thru the cracks -- coaches don't even have to travel across the country to see a recruit play -- they can simply stream their games or watch their highlights on hudl.
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The 80s and 90s were the fucking wild west when it came to recruiting.

Certain programs thrived on sneaking in borderline criminals and guys who had generally no business on a college campus. No way could you get away with that now.

The rise of the internet and recruiting services really completely changed the game. No doubt about that.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
It is a completely different time now, I agree with that. Things were so much different even just prior to like 2010 and especially the further back you get from that.

Clemson seemed destined to eventually fall off. I mean they are still a good program but nobody at the top is really scared of them anymore.

I'm just saying you can't just blame the QB in Clemson's case. The whole team has taken a step back.
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I agree -- Clemson's biggest issue is -- they are worse than UM using the transfer portal and such. At least UM will bring in Grad Transfers. Clemson won't use it at all, unless something has changed recently?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I agree -- Clemson's biggest issue is -- they are worse than UM using the transfer portal and such. At least UM will bring in Grad Transfers. Clemson won't use it at all, unless something has changed recently?
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Looks like they brought in 1 this year (a reserve QB Hunter Johnson whos been there left and back) and 1 last year (A DE who has done squat)
 
osubuckeye89 said:
The rise of the internet and recruiting services really completely changed the game. No doubt about that.
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It gave coaches access to any recruit, anywhere, any time. Instead of having to wait on a "recruiting tape" to be mailed to you -- if you hear about a kid, you can watch full games online, highlight tapes of every game.

If you want to contact a kid -- you don't have to call and hope he answers -- you can post on his FB, instagram, Twitter, or whatever other social media they have to contact them. It is also why those in state recruits are so huge -- they are an extra recruiter for the school.
 
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