Harbaugh does the dishes for the mother of a recruit.

osubuckeye89 said:
His stats are bad because he barely threw more TDs than INTs in his career.

If he was throwing 30-40 passes a game he probably woulda thrown more INTs than TDs
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And that comment makes sense to you? Explain the correlation how interceptions would go up, while TD's would go down if he threw more. This one will be interesting to hear.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
And that comment makes sense to you? Explain the correlation how interceptions would go up, while TD's would go down if he threw more. This one will be interesting to hear.
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Are you really going to stand on the hill that Harbaugh's INTs wouldn't skyrocket even more if he was throwing more passes back then?

He obviously probably would throw more TDs, but the INTs would catch up too, and IMO would eventually surpass the TDs. This of course is all speculations but it seems fair to assume a QB who was pretty INT prone would throw quite a bit more INTs if he was throwing the ball more. He certainly would not be throwing less INTs
 
osubuckeye89 said:
His stats are bad because he barely threw more TDs than INTs in his career.

If he was throwing 30-40 passes a game he probably woulda thrown more INTs than TDs
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Go and look up the stats in the 80's and 90's. The year he was drafted -- the top passer had 3,200 yards passing. Only 2 QB's in the NFL completed over 60% of their passes. 3/4 of the QB threw at least 11 interceptions, with Chuck Long, Boomer Esiason and Warren Moon leading the way with 20, 19 and 18 interceptions.

It was a completely different game compared to now.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Are you really going to stand on the hill that Harbaugh's INTs wouldn't skyrocket even more if he was throwing more passes back then?

He obviously probably would throw more TDs, but the INTs would catch up too, and IMO would eventually surpass the TDs. This of course is all speculations but it seems fair to assume a QB who was pretty INT prone would throw quite a bit more INTs if he was throwing the ball more. He certainly would not be throwing less INTs
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I will give you a hint -- TD's and Int's would go up at the exact same rate. Throwing more doesn't mean more int's and less td's.

The only way with your scenario would it change is if you are adding the extra throws in his final years. If you are adding it evenly over his career -- the TD's would go up as would the INT's. But since he threw more TD's than INT's, adding throws would make the TD's go up slightly quicker than Int's, as he threw more TD's than Int's.
 
HammerDown said:
Re: Deion "not my place"
Re: Harbs "FRAUD!!!"
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Who said that? You now saying I called Jimmy a fraud?

Dammit hammer pick one lane stay in it but make sure it’s not the female lane.please
 
SJ76 said:
Who said that? You now saying I called Jimmy a fraud?

Dammit hammer pick one lane stay in it but make sure it’s not the female lane.please
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Jim Harbaugh is fair game (strange since he's respected for his accomplishments) but Deion is strictly off-limits ("toxic hatred").

Weird.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I will give you a hint -- TD's and Int's would go up at the exact same rate. Throwing more doesn't mean more int's and less td's.

The only way with your scenario would it change is if you are adding the extra throws in his final years. If you are adding it evenly over his career -- the TD's would go up as would the INT's. But since he threw more TD's than INT's, adding throws would make the TD's go up slightly quicker than Int's, as he threw more TD's than Int's.
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The 3 times in his career he was tasked with throwing it more than 400 times, he combined for more INT's than TD's. One could assume, if he was asked to do that on a regular basis, he would throw more INT's than TD's. He was clearly better when asked not to fuck it up. When asked more of him, he fucked up more.
 
ericd7633 said:
The 3 times in his career he was tasked with throwing it more than 400 times, he combined for more INT's than TD's. One could assume, if he was asked to do that on a regular basis, he would throw more INT's than TD's. He was clearly better when asked not to fuck it up. When asked more of him, he fucked up more.
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Exactly.

Yea his TD #s would likely go up as well as reaction, but it's fair to assume his INT #s would go way up.
 
ericd7633 said:
The 3 times in his career he was tasked with throwing it more than 400 times, he combined for more INT's than TD's. One could assume, if he was asked to do that on a regular basis, he would throw more INT's than TD's. He was clearly better when asked not to fuck it up. When asked more of him, he fucked up more.
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So basically he ran the wildcat.
 
ericd7633 said:
The 3 times in his career he was tasked with throwing it more than 400 times, he combined for more INT's than TD's. One could assume, if he was asked to do that on a regular basis, he would throw more INT's than TD's. He was clearly better when asked not to fuck it up. When asked more of him, he fucked up more.
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Nothing more was asked in those years -- he just started more games. I can't say I followed his career closely at all as I was a kid when he was in the NFL. So I don't even know why he only played in 16 games twice in his career -- he missed games almost every year. Maybe he was injury prone?

That being said my degrees dealt with numbers (accounting undergrad/minor in mathematics, finance postgrad) -- statistics is one thing I am very capable of discussing.

You can't cherry pick a set of numbers and say -- see he threw more int's, unless you have a subset that states those interceptions occurred once he passed his career median per game.
It is why you take the numbers from his career as a whole why, no matter how many attempts you add, if it follows his career averages, it will always come out as more TD's than Int's.

Now if you go to the game logs of each season you stated and it said after he reaches his career average of attempts per game -- his interception rate increases -- then it'd be a viable discussion point.

In the end -- it isn't going to change my thoughts though. Very few QB's during his era achieved what he did in college and the pro's. Was he a superstar? No. The guy was a journeyman QB, but he was good enough to play 14 years and to be the starting QB for 4 different teams.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Nothing more was asked in those years -- he just started more games. I can't say I followed his career closely at all as I was a kid when he was in the NFL. So I don't even know why he only played in 16 games twice in his career -- he missed games almost every year. Maybe he was injury prone?

That being said my degrees dealt with numbers (accounting undergrad/minor in mathematics, finance postgrad) -- statistics is one thing I am very capable of discussing.

You can't cherry pick a set of numbers and say -- see he threw more int's, unless you have a subset that states those interceptions occurred once he passed his career median per game.
It is why you take the numbers from his career as a whole why, no matter how many attempts you add, if it follows his career averages, it will always come out as more TD's than Int's.

Now if you go to the game logs of each season you stated and it said after he reaches his career average of attempts per game -- his interception rate increases -- then it'd be a viable discussion point.

In the end -- it isn't going to change my thoughts though. Very few QB's during his era achieved what he did in college and the pro's. Was he a superstar? No. The guy was a journeyman QB, but he was good enough to play 14 years and to be the starting QB for 4 different teams.
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Between 1990-1999 his avg attempts were 343.

In 1991 after he surpassed his avg attempts, he threw 3 TD's and 5 INT's.

In 1996 it was 4 TD's to 3 INT's.

In 1999 it was 2 TD's to 3 INT's.

Add it all up and you have 9 TD's and 11 INT's.

Seems like a viable discussion.

Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that in both 1991 and 1996, when he attempted his most throws during a game in each season, he recorded 0 TD's and 7 INT's respectively. Like I said, when asked to do a lot he fucked up a lot.
 
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