Ohio State out bid for 5 star recruit.........................

[fishinabarrel]

Look, I am not an insider. But I have access to enough intel to tell you that UGA is going about this in a very conservative way because we can afford to do so. We've been getting more 5* than anyone not named Alabama for years now. We are putting players in the NFL at a very high rate. We don't have to go full ATM to get players to come to UGA.

They made a decision to dedicate the NIL to players who were at UGA and earned it. They aren't going to play the "pay to play" game, and when people say they are it's because you have blame something when you get beat out for a player. Think about it ... you can't be half in, half out on this. If you tell one kid you aren't paying, but pay another, that will get out - right? There is no way to keep that from happening. So they tell them if you come here the mimimum someone is getting is $X, and we have players getting on average $Y, and we have some players getting as much as $Z. We also had $100 million in NFL contracts last year.

I've said all along that it's form over substance to tell a kid that he can make $X v. pay a kid $X. You are still telling a kid they will get paid if they come to your school. One is just more palatable to people. I always thought it would take a few years for teams to get their pitch together to report what recruits could get if they came to a certain school. I didn't see schools like Miami, ATM and UTjr who were so desperate to win simply coming out and paying players before they got there. But, it happened, and we are now seeing it doesn't appear to be working. ATM's class from last year is falling apart. You just got a flip from an OL who got persuaded to go to Miami for $$$, but decided Auburn was a better fit for his education (he wants to be a pilot).

UGA has shown that developing a culture, with talent, is the way to go. I think you will see the more successful teams doing this which means they will get a lot of NIL for their players, but you have to come there and do something to make that happen.

The reports and reasoning coming out are pretty funny. It's like Ohio State lost him to Jackson State. They lost him to one of the two schools that consistently recruit better/as good as them. This could have easily happened and did happen with other recruits (Justin Fields) before Nil was a thing

 

[osubuckeye89]

Ohio State offered? Georgia offered? Schools are not supposed to have any direct involvement with NIL deals. Nothing stopping the bagmen anymore but schools should still be off limits.

There is all kinds of tampering and shit going on but there's no way to prove it short of some recruit getting texts or voice mails from someone involved directly with the school laying this shit out and turning them over to the NCAA.

There's really no way to enforce these rules. It's essentially the wild west.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The reports and reasoning coming out are pretty funny. It's like Ohio State lost him to Jackson State. They lost him to one of the two schools that consistently recruit better/as good as them. This could have easily happened and did happen with other recruits (Justin Fields) before Nil was a thing

Every fanbase is guilty of this ... our boards are always talking about getting outbid, etc. Sometimes kids just want to go somwhere else. You can understand why players want to go to tOSU, Bama, etc. We lost an OL to Miami, now to Auburn, because he wants to be a pilot and Auburn has a flying major. Good on the kid.

 

[osubuckeye89]

The reports and reasoning coming out are pretty funny. It's like Ohio State lost him to Jackson State. They lost him to one of the two schools that consistently recruit better/as good as them. This could have easily happened and did happen with other recruits (Justin Fields) before Nil was a thing

Yea the "sky is falling" crap is hilarious

We CONSTANTLY miss out on top southern recruits to SEC schools, this is literally nothing new. Yet a bunch of idiot fans are acting like we are tanking and are going to fall to being like just another middling Penn State type team.

 

[HammerDown]

Didn't you guys tell me this would fix everything?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Look, I am not an insider. But I have access to enough intel to tell you that UGA is going about this in a very conservative way because we can afford to do so. We've been getting more 5* than anyone not named Alabama for years now. We are putting players in the NFL at a very high rate. We don't have to go full ATM to get players to come to UGA.

They made a decision to dedicate the NIL to players who were at UGA and earned it. They aren't going to play the "pay to play" game, and when people say they are it's because you have blame something when you get beat out for a player. Think about it ... you can't be half in, half out on this. If you tell one kid you aren't paying, but pay another, that will get out - right? There is no way to keep that from happening. So they tell them if you come here the mimimum someone is getting is $X, and we have players getting on average $Y, and we have some players getting as much as $Z. We also had $100 million in NFL contracts last year.

I've said all along that it's form over substance to tell a kid that he can make $X v. pay a kid $X. You are still telling a kid they will get paid if they come to your school. One is just more palatable to people. I always thought it would take a few years for teams to get their pitch together to report what recruits could get if they came to a certain school. I didn't see schools like Miami, ATM and UTjr who were so desperate to win simply coming out and paying players before they got there. But, it happened, and we are now seeing it doesn't appear to be working. ATM's class from last year is falling apart. You just got a flip from an OL who got persuaded to go to Miami for $$$, but decided Auburn was a better fit for his education (he wants to be a pilot).

UGA has shown that developing a culture, with talent, is the way to go. I think you will see the more successful teams doing this which means they will get a lot of NIL for their players, but you have to come there and do something to make that happen.

Come on now -- you simply cannot believe this. When you have 17 and 18 year old kids who come from families with little to no money and you have schools willing to give them 6, even 7 figures just to go play football at their school -- you REALLY think they are picking Georgia because of the culture and a chance to get some NIL if they perform? GTFOH.

Georgia is WITHOUT QUESTION offering kids NIL packages. If they weren't -- no 5 star would even look at them, because simply being a high ranked recruit doesn't guarantee the NFL. Going to Georgia doesn't guarantee the NFL. So to try and say Georgia is playing the moral high ground is utterly ridiculous. What is next -- they also didn't have bag men at Georgia before NIL?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

The reports and reasoning coming out are pretty funny. It's like Ohio State lost him to Jackson State. They lost him to one of the two schools that consistently recruit better/as good as them. This could have easily happened and did happen with other recruits (Justin Fields) before Nil was a thing

Yeah -- I didn't post this because of OSU losing out on a recruit. Every school loses out on recruits and the top recruiting schools are almost always going after the same top recruits -- so you win some, you lose some.

I was more talking about the dollar figures being discussed. That is what was crazy to me.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Yeah -- I didn't post this because of OSU losing out on a recruit. Every school loses out on recruits and the top recruiting schools are almost always going after the same top recruits -- so you win some, you lose some.

I was more talking about the dollar figures being discussed. That is what was crazy to me.

It's insane.

And as stated above there's no way this is sustainable long term, these "collectives" have to eventually get tired of throwing out insane amounts of upfront money when kids start underperforming or taking the money and running after a year or two.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

It's insane.

And as stated above there's no way this is sustainable long term, these "collectives" have to eventually get tired of throwing out insane amounts of upfront money when kids start underperforming or taking the money and running after a year or two.

I'm jealous of the schools who administration is allowing them to do this. Michigan is a train wreck in the NIL dept. They have their own athletes saying they don't do enough and it really shows in our latest recruiting class. I don't know if we even have a single recruit in the top 150 or maybe we have one. We had two top 100 kids -- they flipped to Georgia and Miami.

I'm all for paying for kids if that is how it is going to be done. Lord knows Michigan has a ridiculous amount of boosters with bottomless pockets. It'd be amazing to throw some of that around.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm jealous of the schools who administration is allowing them to do this. Michigan is a train wreck in the NIL dept. They have their own athletes saying they don't do enough and it really shows in our latest recruiting class. I don't know if we even have a single recruit in the top 150 or maybe we have one. We had two top 100 kids -- they flipped to Georgia and Miami.

I'm all for paying for kids if that is how it is going to be done. Lord knows Michigan has a ridiculous amount of boosters with bottomless pockets. It'd be amazing to throw some of that around.

This just free flinging of upfront money will probably continue for a couple more years, it'll take a few cycles of underperforming and playing just transferring and taking off with the money before things level out.

It's not just Michigan it's the whole Big 10 for some reason, the whole conference will fall behind until things level out (I think they will) because they refuse to go along with the new ways. it could be a very difficult 3-4 years of recruiting for the whole conference.

Ohio State probably will be able to still bring in top 5ish classes though, but we will lose out on some players we would usually probably get because of it. The Michigan and Penn State's are probably going to get hit the hardest by not being able to provide the up front money other schools can.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm jealous of the schools who administration is allowing them to do this. Michigan is a train wreck in the NIL dept. They have their own athletes saying they don't do enough and it really shows in our latest recruiting class. I don't know if we even have a single recruit in the top 150 or maybe we have one. We had two top 100 kids -- they flipped to Georgia and Miami.

I'm all for paying for kids if that is how it is going to be done. Lord knows Michigan has a ridiculous amount of boosters with bottomless pockets. It'd be amazing to throw some of that around.

They have 1 in the top 150.

Even with this NIL crap, i'm surprised at how blah Michigan's recruiting class is with their new found success. They only have 2 players in the top 200.

They are favored early for quite a few higher rated kids next year, but with how things are you never really know how that's going to work out until it actually happens.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Come on now -- you simply cannot believe this. When you have 17 and 18 year old kids who come from families with little to no money and you have schools willing to give them 6, even 7 figures just to go play football at their school -- you REALLY think they are picking Georgia because of the culture and a chance to get some NIL if they perform? GTFOH.

Georgia is WITHOUT QUESTION offering kids NIL packages. If they weren't -- no 5 star would even look at them, because simply being a high ranked recruit doesn't guarantee the NFL. Going to Georgia doesn't guarantee the NFL. So to try and say Georgia is playing the moral high ground is utterly ridiculous. What is next -- they also didn't have bag men at Georgia before NIL?

I do believe it. I am very confident that I am correct. Facepalm all you want. Those schools paying recruits outright have thus far been a cluster fuck. I hope Auburn joins them.

As I clearly stated, we are not saying, "you come to UGA, and we will give you $100,000." That is pay-for-play. We aren't doing that. Period. What we are doing is saying, "look at what we have done for our existing players - everyone is earning at least $50,000. Some are earning more - KM2 is getting money from this company. Stetson is getting X from this company. Bowers is earning this amount. Here is a list of companies that our guys have worked with. If you come here, we will have multiple collectives to help you build a brand and can help you make money like our current guys are. But if you want us to cut a check for $100,000 before you get here and prove your worth, we will take a pass." We've lost multiple highly rated players this year for this very reason.

You can disbelieve that all you want, but if you pay one coming in, you have to pay them all. Kirby ain't playing that game.

As for your bagman comment, read better. I stated clearly that we were in the bagman business, just like you guys and eveyone else was. I'm neither stupid nor naïve. I also stated that an argument can be made that what I describe is "pay for play" and that it's really form over substance ... we are using NIL to entice players to come to UGA, but we are doing it by having them get here first and then earn it. That's the original intent of NIL and that is the way we are doing it. I am 100% confident of that.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

They have 1 in the top 150.

Even with this NIL crap, i'm surprised at how blah Michigan's recruiting class is with their new found success. They only have 2 players in the top 200.

They are favored early for quite a few higher rated kids next year, but with how things are you never really know how that's going to work out until it actually happens.

Do they lose Harbaugh because of that? I am thinking that doing what he did 2 years in a row, he will jump. Say to Indy.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

This just free flinging of upfront money will probably continue for a couple more years, it'll take a few cycles of underperforming and playing just transferring and taking off with the money before things level out.

It's not just Michigan it's the whole Big 10 for some reason, the whole conference will fall behind until things level out (I think they will) because they refuse to go along with the new ways. it could be a very difficult 3-4 years of recruiting for the whole conference.

Ohio State probably will be able to still bring in top 5ish classes though, but we will lose out on some players we would usually probably get because of it. The Michigan and Penn State's are probably going to get hit the hardest by not being able to provide the up front money other schools can.

This ... it's why we aren't playing that game, all the while very much engaging our existing players in NIL. It's why we have a fantastic culture and teams like ATM are falling a part.

 

[osubuckeye89]

This ... it's why we aren't playing that game, all the while very much engaging our existing players in NIL. It's why we have a fantastic culture and teams like ATM are falling a part.

I think for some schools the alumni and even fans arent as willing to just throw money at unproven players because that culture is just not there and had never been there

People rather give money to get their names on things. (when it comes to wealthy alumni) Throwing money at a unproven high school kid is a tough sell.

Some fan bases obviously don't care. Ours do apparently.

The schools just throwing money around all willy nilly at any recruits they want honestly have likely been constantly doing the same thing in secret for decades, they are just used to it. This is just outing who the real actual "cheaters" were in the past when such things weren't allowed in the open.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I think for some schools the alumni and even fans arent as willing to just throw money at unproven players because that culture is just not there and had never been there

People rather give money to get their names on things. (when it comes to wealthy alumni) Throwing money at a unproven high school kid is a tough sell.

Some fan bases obviously don't care. Ours do apparently.

The schools just throwing money around all willy nilly at any recruits they want honestly have likely been constantly doing the same thing in secret for decades, they are just used to it. This is just outing who the real actual "cheaters" were in the past when such things weren't allowed in the open.

I just read that ATM has 25 players in the portal. We likely are going to get one of them. But you can't tell me that throwing all that money at unproven players, or saying you will but didn't, didn't fuck up their culture. It most certainly did. Smart teams, and teams that can afford to not play the game, are going to come out ahead.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I just read that ATM has 25 players in the portal. We likely are going to get one of them. But you can't tell me that throwing all that money at unproven players, or saying you will but didn't, didn't fuck up their culture. It most certainly did. Smart teams, and teams that can afford to not play the game, are going to come out ahead.

The culture at A&M under Dumbo seemed pretty poor as it was, all this money getting flung around with no substance attached to it is just making it much much worse.

A&M is writing the book on how to not handle the new era of college football.

Of course throwing a ton of money are unproven 17-18-19 year olds is not going to work out well in a lot of cases. It's comically going to take a good amount of schools at least a couple of years to figure that out though.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I do believe it. I am very confident that I am correct. Facepalm all you want. Those schools paying recruits outright have thus far been a cluster fuck. I hope Auburn joins them.

As I clearly stated, we are not saying, "you come to UGA, and we will give you $100,000." That is pay-for-play. We aren't doing that. Period. What we are doing is saying, "look at what we have done for our existing players - everyone is earning at least $50,000. Some are earning more - KM2 is getting money from this company. Stetson is getting X from this company. Bowers is earning this amount. Here is a list of companies that our guys have worked with. If you come here, we will have multiple collectives to help you build a brand and can help you make money like our current guys are. But if you want us to cut a check for $100,000 before you get here and prove your worth, we will take a pass." We've lost multiple highly rated players this year for this very reason.

You can disbelieve that all you want, but if you pay one coming in, you have to pay them all. Kirby ain't playing that game.

As for your bagman comment, read better. I stated clearly that we were in the bagman business, just like you guys and eveyone else was. I'm neither stupid nor naïve. I also stated that an argument can be made that what I describe is "pay for play" and that it's really form over substance ... we are using NIL to entice players to come to UGA, but we are doing it by having them get here first and then earn it. That's the original intent of NIL and that is the way we are doing it. I am 100% confident of that.

FWIW, this is a quote (redacted a bit) that was posted by an "insider" on one of the UGA boards.

Two forces here. One, Kirby isn't buying kids like some, and so far its' worked. Will see if we "play ball" but remember when you do, you have 84 others staring at you.

The point is that Smart will ultimately do whatever needs to be done. But for now, we are going conservative to maintain the culture, and so far, it's worked. My guess is that this approach will be the long-term successful play. Paying high school kids that haven't done a damn thing is stupid on so many fronts that only desperate teams are doing it.

We will have the no. 2 class this year, even having missed on some high-end recruits who wanted money upfront (and, to clear, we missed others who just wanted to go elsewhere).

 

[osubuckeye89]

The schools clinging to find relevance seem to be the ones who are REALLY buying players up front

Your Miami & Texas A&Ms.

Of course these are the same schools that were suspected of shady play in the past when it wasnt allowed in the open. Go figure. Lol.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

They have 1 in the top 150.

Even with this NIL crap, i'm surprised at how blah Michigan's recruiting class is with their new found success. They only have 2 players in the top 200.

They are favored early for quite a few higher rated kids next year, but with how things are you never really know how that's going to work out until it actually happens.

Michigan administration is stuck in the stone age -- they still think our academic standing and national brand is enough to sell kids. Today -- if you aren't guaranteeing some sort of $$$ -- these top kids aren't coming to your school. Dante Moore was a given to be at UM, Cass Tech is a feeder program to UM, we've recruited the kid for 6 years, yet he is committed to Oregon, because Oregon gave him a 1.5 million offer.