Kirby put a hit out on Marvin Harrison Jr?? Despicable

SJ76 said:
I thought it was very clear that Georgia just didn’t want to be there for 3 quarters.
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Here is how I saw it:

Q1 - we actually played well and it was an even draw stats and score.
Q2 - both teams played well, but UGA had to rely on our running game in this quarter - Stet threw the INT and lost his concentration, but we outgained tOSU on the ground something like 122 - 32 - that's what kept us in the game and down just 4.
Q3 - Stetson was not good at all - 25%, 17 yards. But our D made them get field goals - they only had 13 points in the second half.
Q4 - Stetson was unreal - 83% completion rate, for 190 yards, 2 TDs and a very important 2 pt play.

We played from behind the whole way, and Q3 was really bad, but otherwise we did what really good teams do ... adjust on both sides, and win in the end.
 
fishinabarrel said:
They definitely did much better against him late in the first half and in the second half before he went out but it was at the expense of letting Fleming and Ebuka start running free.

I posted at 10:30 that Georgia had to start blitzing bc the front by itself was not getting it done.

The hit was a hard hit but was not malicious. I've seen plenty of those get held up for targeting and the player ejected but I have no issue with this one being overturned. It was a good football play that unfortunately cost us one of the players we couldn't afford to lose
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This is probably the part that is most frustrating. Targeting is an absolute joke of a penalty in that there seems to be zero consistency from ref to ref. It also isn't like this is a new rule; it was put into place in 2008 and there is still a massive problem in how it's implemented from game to game. Likewise I've seen that kind of hit be called plenty of times, but I don't recall ever seeing it get overturned.
 
Lathan Ransom tripping was as much to blame as Harrison going down. They actually have to drive down field to score that touchdown instead of scoring it on a huge pass play and it's likely that last drive to take the lead is much different
 
Across The Field said:
This is probably the part that is most frustrating. Targeting is an absolute joke of a penalty in that there seems to be zero consistency from ref to ref. It also isn't like this is a new rule; it was put into place in 2008 and there is still a massive problem in how it's implemented from game to game. Likewise I've seen that kind of hit be called plenty of times, but I don't recall ever seeing it get overturned.
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Pretty sure it's the first time I've seen a targeting call resulting in an injury get overturned. Like I said, it was certainly not an obvious targeting call. The play at the end the TCU-Michigan game was much more obvious to me and it didn't get called.
 
Across The Field said:
This is probably the part that is most frustrating. Targeting is an absolute joke of a penalty in that there seems to be zero consistency from ref to ref. It also isn't like this is a new rule; it was put into place in 2008 and there is still a massive problem in how it's implemented from game to game. Likewise I've seen that kind of hit be called plenty of times, but I don't recall ever seeing it get overturned.
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Actually, targeting is getting overturned a lot more. The original rules were way more draconian. In the new rule, there isn't even a presumption of targeting when called on the field, as they want the refs to err on the side of calling it. It then gets a fresh review in the booth. That's why you are seeing more and more overturned.

As of the 2019 season, targeting reviews cannot "stand." They must either be confirmed or overturned. That places greater emphasis on replay officials to ensure the play is called correctly.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Pretty sure it's the first time I've seen a targeting call resulting in an injury get overturned. Like I said, it was certainly not an obvious targeting call. The play at the end the TCU-Michigan game was much more obvious to me and it didn't get called.
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I've definitely seen more egregious targeting calls, you're not wrong. These sorts of hits on defenseless players, though, are what brought about the penalty in the first place. Plenty of ways to break up a pass without putting a brutal hit to a dudes head/neck area.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Actually, targeting is getting overturned a lot more. The original rules were way more draconian. In the new rule, there isn't even a presumption of targeting when called on the field, as they want the refs to err on the side of calling it. It then gets a fresh review in the booth. That's why you are seeing more and more overturned.

As of the 2019 season, targeting reviews cannot "stand." They must either be confirmed or overturned. That places greater emphasis on replay officials to ensure the play is called correctly.
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Oh you're right. In fact back in the day, were they all even reviewed? I feel like I remember seeing quite a few just being called and that was that. I'm wondering what the future of it is even gonna be. I still can't believe that after nearly 15 years there are still such struggles with it in regards to consistency from crew to crew.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Pretty sure it's the first time I've seen a targeting call resulting in an injury get overturned. Like I said, it was certainly not an obvious targeting call. The play at the end the TCU-Michigan game was much more obvious to me and it didn't get called.
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Agree ... that seemed to be more of the classic leading with the crown of your helmet targeting.
 
Across The Field said:
Oh you're right. In fact back in the day, were they all even reviewed? I feel like I remember seeing quite a few just being called and that was that. I'm wondering what the future of it is even gonna be. I still can't believe that after nearly 15 years there are still such struggles with it in regards to consistency from crew to crew.
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Yeah, then they went to the fact they could waive the disqualification but not the 15 yard penalty. Then to where they are now. It is kind of of crazy the times it's been changed.

As to this hit, I will say this ... if there is a way to eliminate that, they should. I know you don't agree with me, but go with me for a second that it wasn't targeting ... I wonder what the rule would be that would keep that from happening. Some people will say, "let's just put flags on 'em" and I get that sentiment. But no one wants anyone to really get blown up. They have really started to protect the QB in the NFL, and at first everyone said how can they tackle them without putting their weight on them (this started 3 years ago). Well, it's now 3 years and you see D players sliding to the side, taking the QBs down without dropping 245+ pounds on them. Smarter people than me might figure it out.
 
Across The Field said:
@WhosYourDawggy enough of my ranting. Sorry for drawing it out. Good luck against TCU.
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All good ... like I said, as a Dawg we've had our share of this type of loss! I really was heading here to congratulate you guys. I've rewatched the game without all the pressure and it was a damn good game by both teams. My apologies for dragging it out, too!
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I feel like local sports radio is a bit different than these big national shows.
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I'm mentioning meaningless anecdotes that no one gives a shit about but I got on with that asshole Dan Patrick while commuting into LA when Bobby Knight had that incident at Tech where he had a confrontation with someone and Dan Patrick asked the audience to call in and say whether they'd want their son to play for Bobby "The General" Knight.

My very important answer and Dan let me talk for a couple of minutes at least was "I'd beg, borrow or steal for my son to play basketball for Bobby Knight and anyone who says otherwise either doesn't know what Bobby Knight is about or doesn't care about their son."
 
Harrison going out definitely hurt OSU and had an effect on the game. Yeah, he was held without a catch the second half, but he was drawing more coverage and letting other receivers get open.

But the better team still won. UGA got nearly 9 yards per play on offense. UGA self inflicted wounds kept it close(int and missed field goals)

Don’t feel a bit bad about it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Yeah, then they went to the fact they could waive the disqualification but not the 15 yard penalty. Then to where they are now. It is kind of of crazy the times it's been changed.

As to this hit, I will say this ... if there is a way to eliminate that, they should. I know you don't agree with me, but go with me for a second that it wasn't targeting ... I wonder what the rule would be that would keep that from happening. Some people will say, "let's just put flags on 'em" and I get that sentiment. But no one wants anyone to really get blown up. They have really started to protect the QB in the NFL, and at first everyone said how can they tackle them without putting their weight on them (this started 3 years ago). Well, it's now 3 years and you see D players sliding to the side, taking the QBs down without dropping 245+ pounds on them. Smarter people than me might figure it out.
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Probably the most frustrating part of it, and you probably wouldn't remember this play, was back when Denzel Ward played at OSU and we played Maryland. Denzel Ward got called for targeting on this hit and it was upheld and he was ejected.

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This is what I mean about the consistency of it. This was upheld but Harrison's wasn't. Hell the Big Ten ended up coming back and issuing an apology to OSU because they reviewed it again after the game and then decided it wasn't. Honestly, Ward didn't need to do what he did to Jacobs on this play and he could've fucked him up bad (thankfully he didn't). But this play was almost 10 years after the rule was introduced and they still blew it even with the option to overturn it. If refs still aren't able to get it right after this long, either get rid of it or make it a much larger part of officiating training.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Lathan Ransom tripping was as much to blame as Harrison going down. They actually have to drive down field to score that touchdown instead of scoring it on a huge pass play and it's likely that last drive to take the lead is much different
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I disagree there. Ransom was burned with or without the slip up
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
I disagree there. Ransom was burned with or without the slip up
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Oh he definitely was but he at least is close enough for a tackle attempt without the slip up.

That defensive call there was so frustrating. Simply no reason to use that set up while up 11 in the fourth quarter and that isn't even considering the fact that we got absolutely torched using it just one game earlier
 
OlyDuck said:
that dude lost me at without the SEC and Big ten there is no college football.
if those 2 conferences didnt exist those schools would be in other conferences and the teams mostly would likely still be who they are.
if those 28 schools didnt exist those players would just end up on teams across the country. maybe they would stay in the south and Miami, FSU and Clemson would be more than they are. but likely ND OK TX and USC would bump up.
college football would look a little different but mostly the same
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TX can't beat the Kansases of the world, doubt they would bump up in harder conferences.
 
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