Big 12 thread

[ralphiewvu]

because FOX owns TV rights.. exit fees are exit fees, has nothing to do with the TV deal.. The GORs are.. and that is the hold up. Fox wants it's 6 games from UT and it's 6 games from ou.

The GoR is what's stopping Texas. Conference holds those, not FOX. Jesus Christ RA already said this.

If they want to give up their GoR they certainly are able to. It'd be completely stupid but FOX wouldn't nor couldn't stop them.

 

[Red_Alert]

The GoR is what's stopping Texas. Conference holds those, not FOX. Jesus Christ RA already said this.

If they want to give up their GoR they certainly are able too. It'd be completely stupid but FOX wouldn't stop them.

Yup. FOX is just the latest excuse for not taking an $84 million haircut, which would be devastating for any athletic dept. Even tejas.

"Ultimately, the Big 12 is the position to say either 'yay' or 'nay,'"

"I don't see it happening," an industry source said of an early departure."

The Big 12 doesn't have to play nice with anyone. They've already got a new media rights contract for 2026 that pays the Hateful 8 and the 4 noobs near $6 million more than they're getting now WITH TX/OU.

FOX took a risk in thinking nobody would be willing to leave the Big 12 early and suffer the GOR penalty. There is absolutely nothing they can do about losing revenue in which OU's draw is down "significantly" anyway.

"OU's ratings were down significantly during an uncharacteristic 6-6 season. Industry analysts told CBS Sports that the ratings of games involving the other eight current Big 12 schools were up almost 50%."

Early exit for Texas, Oklahoma to SEC could be aided by future nonconference games at Big 12 stadiums

The Longhorns and Sooners hope to join the SEC in 2024, a year before presently scheduled

www.cbssports.com

 

[Thiefery]

The GoR is what's stopping Texas. Conference holds those, not FOX. Jesus Christ RA already said this.

If they want to give up their GoR they certainly are able to. It'd be completely stupid but FOX wouldn't nor couldn't stop them.

GOR was created for the networks lol.. you think the SEC agreed to sign one out the blue to be cool? ESPN wanted a guarantee that the schools would remain together for the DURATION of the new deal

 

[Red_Alert]

GOR was created for the networks lol.. you think the SEC agreed to sign one out the blue to be cool? ESPN wanted a guarantee that the schools would remain together for the DURATION of the new deal

WOW. LOL

The GOR was created to give the networks security in entering the media rights contract. Nothing more.

There was no "guarantee" for the networks on anything. The GOR simply gave them a sense of confidence that what remained of the Big 12 would stay together due to the heavy penalty for early departure.
The media rights contracts are year to year fluid.

More eyeballs = More payout to the conference.
Less eyeballs = Less payout to the conference.

The GOR ≠ The Media Rights Contract. They are separate entities.

 

[Red_Alert]

It should be obvious to anyone with a pulse that if the GOR could be beaten, then TX/OU would have been gone in 2022, or at the latest 2023.

pssst.

TX/OU aren't gonna be gone in 2024 either. That is because the GOR says 2X media share. Therefore if TX/OU leave just one year early they'll still owe 2X which is appx $84 million each.
i.e. They will lose their 2025 SEC share even though the GOR expired and they're legit in the SEC.

If TX/OU were going to take the penalty they'd have been gone to the SEC in 2023. That would make the 2 year penalty somewhat worth it. Duh.

 

[ralphiewvu]

GOR was created for the networks lol.. you think the SEC agreed to sign one out the blue to be cool? ESPN wanted a guarantee that the schools would remain together for the DURATION of the new deal

You are incredibly stupid if you think the GoR was created for networks alone. AGAIN as Red has stated it was security for the networks. The GoR is also for (and to a larger degree) the conference not to lose members without being compensated with market value before a contract runs out.

 

[Thiefery]

It should be obvious to anyone with a pulse that if the GOR could be beaten, then TX/OU would have been gone in 2022, or at the latest 2023.

pssst.

TX/OU aren't gonna be gone in 2024 either. That is because the GOR says 2X media share. Therefore if TX/OU leave just one year early they'll still owe 2X which is appx $84 million each.
i.e. They will lose their 2025 SEC share even though the GOR expired and they're legit in the SEC.

If TX/OU were going to take the penalty they'd have been gone to the SEC in 2023. That would make the 2 year penalty somewhat worth it. Duh.

this is why they are talking... that's why they are reporting possible future OOC games vs Big 12 schools (which I'm not in agreement with)

It's funny how ESPN isn't the one holding this up but Fox, but you tend to think Fox has nothing to do with this..it's the Big12 conference?

 

[Red_Alert]

this is why they are talking... that's why they are reporting possible future OOC games vs Big 12 schools (which I'm not in agreement with)

It's funny how ESPN isn't the one holding this up but Fox, but you tend to think Fox has nothing to do with this..it's the Big12 conference?

LOL

FOX isn't "holding" up anything. They have no ability to prevent TX/OU from going to the SEC early. ZERO!!

Is FOX trying to get something out of the deal IF TX/OU leave early? Of course they are. Anybody would. However, nobody is obligated to give FOX anything.

ESPN don't give a rats ass because it's a wash for them whether TX/OU stays in the Big 12 through July 2025 or leaves for the SEC early. They get the TV revenue off of them regardless and will make whatever payment there is to the Big 12 or SEC to be divided up accordingly.

One more time for the back of the class........ Cut the check and be gone.
Nary an entity other than TX/OU can stop that. Not even the Big 12 corporate office.

 

[Red_Alert]

"iT's NoT tEh MoNeY, wE HaVe tHaT"

LMAO!!!

 

[Thiefery]

LOL

FOX isn't "holding" up anything. They have no ability to prevent TX/OU from going to the SEC early. ZERO!!

Is FOX trying to get something out of the deal IF TX/OU leave early? Of course they are. Anybody would. However, nobody is obligated to give FOX anything.

ESPN don't give a rats ass because it's a wash for them whether TX/OU stays in the Big 12 through July 2025 or leaves for the SEC early. They get the TV revenue off of them regardless and will make whatever payment there is to the Big 12 or SEC to be divided up accordingly.

One more time for the back of the class........ Cut the check and be gone.
Nary an entity other than TX/OU can stop that. Not even the Big 12 corporate office.

again it's not a check.. they want the inventory.. which they could put a figure on but haven't. Fox seems to want UT/ou games in the future in OOC or SEC conference games.. If it was as simple as how you are trying to paint this.. Wouldn't ESPN be linked to this the way Fox is?

 

[Red_Alert]

again it's not a check.. they want the inventory.. which they could put a figure on but haven't. Fox seems to want UT/ou games in the future in OOC or SEC conference games.. If it was as simple as how you are trying to paint this.. Wouldn't ESPN be linked to this the way Fox is?

"They" (FOX) has no say in the matter. The GOR doesn't apply to them, nor did they write the GOR.
The GOR applies to the Big 12 institutions and they wrote it.

ESPN gets the "inventory" regardless of whether TX/OU are in the Big 12 or SEC. They don't give two shitz.

Cut the damn check and stop with the tejas pointing fingers crap.

That's all TX/OU have to do is cut a damn check and this is over. They wont tho

Remember back in 2021 when you said tejas had the money for the buyout, but they couldn't leave early because Oklahoma didn't have the money? I do.

LOL

 

[Wild Turkey]

ESPN will pay UTs exit fees .. again it's not the money.. it's FOX

Fox has said it will not pay the conference it's full share without UT and ou.. ESPN will continue to do so for the current agreement, but Fox won't. That's why you do not hear anything about money for exit fees.. that's easy.. it's the GOR rights that Fox/ESPN owns.. Big 12 and the schools signed it in good faith for the networks to be paying as much as they were (paying for 12 schools for a conference with just 10)

Again if it were easy as just send a check and be gone, we wouldn't be here at this moment

This reads like Mexico is going to pay for the border wall.

 

[Red_Alert]

"it's the GOR rights that Fox/ESPN owns."

LOL at thinking FOX/ESPN own the Big 12's GOR rights.

LOL LOL

 

[Red_Alert]

tejas flirts with the PAC 12..... So Nebraska says "oh shit, the Big 12's 'bout to fold" and jumps to the Big 10 for security.

"dAmN YoU NeBrAsKa, wHy YoU bReAk Up tEh BiG 12?" - tejas

It's how they've always rolled down in Austin. Instigate shit then point fingers.

 

[fordman84]

tejas flirts with the PAC 12..... So Nebraska says "oh shit, the Big 12's 'bout to fold" and jumps to the Big 10 for security.

"dAmN YoU NeBrAsKa, wHy YoU bReAk Up tEh BiG 12?" - tejas

It's how they've always rolled down in Austin. Instigate shit then point fingers.

A&M says hi, as well.

 

[Thiefery]

"it's the GOR rights that Fox/ESPN owns."

LOL at thinking FOX/ESPN own the Big 12's GOR rights.

LOL LOL

uhhh yes they do lol.. Big 12 can agree for a exit fee.. but FOX will then not pay the big12 it's full share without ou and UT.. Thus the jam we are in.. regardless, just got a message through my GC that the staff is telling the '24 class recruits that they will be the first class to be playing in the SEC from the very first year on campus. Could this be a ploy to get them to commit now? Sure but it's whats being said now

 

[Red_Alert]

uhhh yes they do lol.. Big 12 can agree for a exit fee.. but FOX will then not pay the big12 it's full share without ou and UT.. Thus the jam we are in.. regardless, just got a message through my GC that the staff is telling the '24 class recruits that they will be the first class to be playing in the SEC from the very first year on campus. Could this be a ploy to get them to commit now? Sure but it's whats being said now

uhhh no they don't.

The Big 12 corporate office owns TX/OU media rights. The payouts from FOX/ESPN are fluid, so less eyeballs would obviously be a lower payout.

FOX just inked a deal with the Big 12 paying them appx $6 million more per team starting in 2026. You know.... The 2026 Big 12 "without OU and tu".

The only "jam" is tejas being unwilling to cut the Big 12 a check.

 

[Red_Alert]

"We're going to pay you less because TX/OU left and there were less eyeballs in 2024" - FOX

"That's fine, TX/OU had to pay us $168 million combined" - Big 12

See how a GOR works?

 

[Thiefery]

"We're going to pay you less because TX/OU left and there were less eyeballs in 2024" - FOX

"That's fine, TX/OU had to pay us $168 million combined" - Big 12

See how a GOR works?

yep.. and ESPN is like whatever.. man it's gonna get settled but as bad as I'm ready to leave.. I hope they don't do something dumb like make future OOC games to whomever the Big12 wants UT or ou to play from their conference

Rather just play out the next two seasons, then be done with it all. No more carrying everyone in the state of TX that nobody else seems to really want. Sure there are passionate fanbases, but they don't add value.. UT seems to churn money but with how these new deals are working.. They had to go elsewhere.. Honestly I think this happens even if the original Big12 was still together.. UT,ou, aggy and nu wouldn't command the money that the new contracts for the BiG and SEC are getting.

 

[Red_Alert]

yep.. and ESPN is like whatever.. man it's gonna get settled but as bad as I'm ready to leave.. I hope they don't do something dumb like make future OOC games to whomever the Big12 wants UT or ou to play from their conference

Rather just play out the next two seasons, then be done with it all. No more carrying everyone in the state of TX that nobody else seems to really want. Sure there are passionate fanbases, but they don't add value.. UT seems to churn money but with how these new deals are working.. They had to go elsewhere.. Honestly I think this happens even if the original Big12 was still together.. UT,ou, aggy and nu wouldn't command the money that the new contracts for the BiG and SEC are getting.

We just can't get there can we?

It's not the Big 12 that wants that. They get $168 million if TX/OU leave early. They're also getting a hefty raise from their 2026 media rights contract without TX/OU.
We all heard how devastating TX/OU's departure would be to the Big 12's next media rights contract. That they would become a G5 conference, and they'd be lucky to get $25 million per team. Remember that? I do.
It didn't happen. They got a raise from $42 million to $50 million without TX/OU.

The only entities that are out anything if TX/OU leave early are tejas, Oklahoma, and FOX.
tejas would be out $84 million
Oklahoma would be out $84 million
FOX would be out whatever revenue TX/OU would have generated. They already reported OU's media revenue production was down "significantly" this past season anyway, and the Hateful 8's media revenue production was up 50%. That's because TCU, K State, Baylor, and Okie Jr are running the show now.
The Big 12 gets whatever revenue TX/OU generates if they stay for 2024/2025, or they get paid $168 million if TX/OU leave early.

It's win/win for the Big 12. They are the ultimate authority.