Oregon & Washington To Big Ten

Kburjr said:
Again, immaterial. If Alabama can't beat Georgia in the CCG, why should they get another chance?
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Why should a 3 loss ACC team get a chance over them just because they don’t have to go through anyone to get there?

You start going with that, the NCG you saw this year is gonna be the norm when you eliminate teams early just because they share a conference with other great teams. The PAC shouldn’t get anyone in over Bama or UGA or OSU any year
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Why should a 3 loss ACC team get a chance over them just because they don’t have to go through anyone to get there?

You start going with that, the NCG you saw this year is gonna be the norm when you eliminate teams early just because they share a conference with other great teams. The PAC shouldn’t get anyone in over Bama or UGA or OSU any year
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Again, immaterial. You have to win 3 games in an 8 team tournament. When you beat them doesn't matter.
 
Kburjr said:
So between Alabama and Georgia, only 1 can win the CCG(opening round of the playoffs). The winner moves on.
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Man, I can't believe you are making me agree with Illiterate Impotent.

- No sports organization in the world does what you are saying. None. That's because often time divisions, conferences, etc., are not balanced, and you don't want to lose your best teams and have crappy teams in the playoffs instead of other better teams.

- In the NFL this year, the NFC East had 3 of the final 4 teams. Arguably the most profitable and prolific sports league in the world, and you would have just had one of those teams playing.

- You would have had UGA, Clemson, Utah, Kansas State, and Michigan in your playoff when it was clear by year's end those weren't the best team. Why not set it up so that the best teams play each other?
 
Kburjr said:
Again, immaterial. You have to win 3 games in an 8 team tournament. When you beat them doesn't matter.
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No need for CCGs to be part of it. Determine a conference champion and then select the 12 best teams to play in the playoffs. Pitt’s won the ACC last year after losing to Western Michigan. We don’t need crap like that in the playoffs, the seeds should be made in order to get the two best teams to meet in the NCG. If it’s two teams from the same conference, so be it
 
Kburjr said:
Again, immaterial. If Alabama can't beat Georgia in the CCG, why should they get another chance?
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Fortunately, because the people who promulgate the rules are smarter than you and understand that only having conference champs would not be the best format.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Man, I can't believe you are making me agree with Illiterate Impotent.

- No sports organization in the world does what you are saying. None. That's because often time divisions, conferences, etc., are not balanced, and you don't want to lose your best teams and have crappy teams in the playoffs instead of other better teams.

- In the NFL this year, the NFC East had 3 of the final 4 teams. Arguably the most profitable and prolific sports league in the world, and you would have just had one of those teams playing.

- You would have had UGA, Clemson, Utah, Kansas State, and Michigan in your playoff when it was clear by year's end those weren't the best team. Why not set it up so that the best teams play each other?
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Very easily. I want to see Champions play, not wild card entries. And yes, I don't like wild cards in the NBA, NCAA, MLB or NFL. The best team doesn't always win. So be it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I've always kind of laughed and said they will add so many teams they will go back to divisions - The PAC and the Big Ten.

Hell, in some ways the SEC now has a SWAC division.
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I feel it's going to be inevitable.. it's not really a conference anymore, it's a league. BiG and SEC are collecting schools, pretty much AFC vs NFC. Right now when the SEC goes to 16, we have to enjoy the 3-6 format because it's going to change when they add additional schools in the future.
 
Kburjr said:
Very easily. I want to see Champions play, not wild card entries. And yes, I don't like wild cards in the NBA, NCAA, MLB or NFL. The best team doesn't always win. So be it.
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lol you must miss the old days of MLB with legit pennant races? In all seriousness though.. what you think sounds logical, but then it won't be who you play since it comes down to which side of the division or conference is bad. There were a lot of Big12 South schools who were better than any of the North schools who had no shot at winning the conference despite them having a better conference record than the big12 north winner.

Your theory sounds good on paper but people and network want the best teams, not a very good team vs the tallest of the midgets
 
Kburjr said:
Very easily. I want to see Champions play, not wild card entries. And yes, I don't like wild cards in the NBA, NCAA, MLB or NFL. The best team doesn't always win. So be it.
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Do you acknowledge that

(1) the champions of every league aren't equal, and
(2) that the top teams or many of the top teams could all be in the same conference/division?

I can't see how you could disagree. And if that is the truth you literally want a playoff without the best teams. That seems odd to me.
 
Thiefery said:
I feel it's going to be inevitable.. it's not really a conference anymore, it's a league. BiG and SEC are collecting schools, pretty much AFC vs NFC. Right now when the SEC goes to 16, we have to enjoy the 3-6 format because it's going to change when they add additional schools in the future.
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I am very hopeful that expansion for the SEC has stopped. I think the B1G might go after Ore and UDub, but only because of academic fit and the west coast aspect of things for non-football.

As for the SEC, there are only three teams that come close to driving enough revenue to earn a share. Remember ... this is about staying in the conference. We'd kick out many schools if you had to justify your economic existence every year. But when you want in it's a different consideration. It's the delta. If you want a $100 million dollar share, does bring you in drive an extra $100 million to the SEC. If not, why let you in?

Notre Dame for sure, and maybe FSU and Clemson move the needle. That's it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I am very hopeful that expansion for the SEC has stopped. I think the B1G might go after Ore and UDub, but only because of academic fit and the west coast aspect of things for non-football.

As for the SEC, there are only three teams that come close to driving enough revenue to earn a share. Remember ... this is about staying in the conference. We'd kick out many schools if you had to justify your economic existence every year. But when you want in it's a different consideration. It's the delta. If you want a $100 million dollar share, does bring you in drive an extra $100 million to the SEC. If not, why let you in?

Notre Dame for sure, and maybe FSU and Clemson move the needle. That's it.
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Couldn't agree with you more.. ND is clearly the only school out there left that is a no brainer addition to any conference should they want in. Clemson/FSU.. good programs with good history.. but they are on the borderline.. I still think the SEC takes them in, but I'm not sure that they increase the annual payout like UT or what a ND can do.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I am very hopeful that expansion for the SEC has stopped. I think the B1G might go after Ore and UDub, but only because of academic fit and the west coast aspect of things for non-football.

As for the SEC, there are only three teams that come close to driving enough revenue to earn a share. Remember ... this is about staying in the conference. We'd kick out many schools if you had to justify your economic existence every year. But when you want in it's a different consideration. It's the delta. If you want a $100 million dollar share, does bring you in drive an extra $100 million to the SEC. If not, why let you in?

Notre Dame for sure, and maybe FSU and Clemson move the needle. That's it.
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"This isn't about staying in ..." typed this wrong. No edit.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Do you acknowledge that

(1) the champions of every league aren't equal, and
(2) that the top teams or many of the top teams could all be in the same conference/division?

I can't see how you could disagree. And if that is the truth you literally want a playoff without the best teams. That seems odd to me.
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You are correct. I want a playoffs with all champions.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Fortunately, because the people who promulgate the rules are smarter than you and understand that only having conference champs would not be the best format.
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See, I only mentioned what I want to see. You can't tell me I'm wrong. It is what I want to see. Personally, I don't care about how many people watch, how much money is made or even who is the best. I want to see champions play champions.
 
As far as I can recall(lots of holes in my memory), I have watched every Big Ten Championship game. Y'know, between division winners. But, I don't recall watching a complete NCG.
 
Kburjr said:
Again, immaterial. If Alabama can't beat Georgia in the CCG, why should they get another chance?
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isnt that kind of what happened like 2 years ago?
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
So, a Clemson team fresh off losing to SCar and either a Kansas State or Utah team with 3 losses?

All your plan does is give an advantage to lesser conferences like the Big Slow, ACC and Pac when we all know the more SEC teams that are in, the more quality teams that are in.

Really and truly, the 12 team playoffs just needs to be the top 11 SEC teams in a season and Ohio State
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Kburjr said:
See, I only mentioned what I want to see. You can't tell me I'm wrong. It is what I want to see. Personally, I don't care about how many people watch, how much money is made or even who is the best. I want to see champions play champions.
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I've said it before, I respect you as a poster because you are a consistent contrarian poster. I don't agree with you often - like this one here - but you are always a straight shooter - it's what you want, not what you think everyone else wants.

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